[GF9] Aliens Boardgame - Pre-order Resin M577 APC (p. 5)

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**Samsonov**

Oh well, if they are out of scale with prodos first edition stuff then I am out for now. Thanks everyone for the information though. I will, however, see if people start selling the boxed game minus the minatures on ebay for a knockdown price, since I would like to give the game a go.

**Garfield666**

Ok, I managed to find a box of old Prodos marines. They too, are about a head taller. You might be still ok with it though, as the proportions (head, chest, limbs etc.) are the same.
The Aliens are fine.
If you are interested in the game, I would say: give it a go anyway!

**judgedoug**

Pacific wrote:
Did you go for the full set with the expansions then I take it? I didn't know there was a Burke model I will have to buy it on those grounds

Yeah, the full experience with the free bonus set of accessories, which are amazing.

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RE: Compatibility with AVP1 or AVP2 games;

While I am not here to convince you of anything, I'd like to point out that the GF9 Aliens is commercially available and also seems to be a significantly better game. As it is apparently doing gangbusters sales for GF9 right now I imagine it will continue to be supported as well.

The fact that the xenos are on a differently sized sprue/manufacturer/plastics composition and are multipart with multiple head options smacks of miniatures wargame to me. Perhaps GF9 will outdo Prodos not only in the board game department but also the miniatures wargame department.

**Manchu**

judgedoug, I wonder if the separate manufacturers issue might also be evidence of a miniatures game around the corner (with generic marines without names on bases to be produced by Prodos later?)

As for the game itself,

It’s a very interesting design, There is a deck of cards called the Endurance Deck which essentially powers everything. It is comprised of Weapons, Equipment, Events, and Hazards. You outfit your characters from this deck. You draw cards from this deck when your characters use their weapons. Your characters have abilities that allow/force them to draw cards from the deck and, sometimes, to recycle cards back into this deck. And if you succeed in a mission during campaign play, you remove about half of the cards discarded during that mission (minus any Hazards) from the rest of that campaign! This represents the dwindling resources available. About the only thing your characters can do without using the Endurance Deck is move but even some forms of movement (standing up after being thrown down by a xenomorph, out of normal sequence) requires discarding Endurance cards. Campaign play does not seem like a walk in the park.

**judgedoug**

Manchu wrote:
judgedoug, I wonder if the separate manufacturers issue might also be evidence of a miniatures game around the corner (with generic marines without names on bases to be produced by Prodos later?)

That is my hope. I am assembling the xenos and they are phenomenal. It's literally what I dreamt about when I first got into minis wargaming in the very early 90's: my favorite IP with great plastic miniatures. Even if a possible eventual wargame has terrible rules it would mean at least more new plastics. As much as I love the Prodos APC and Dropship that I got, I would much prefer plastic kits. It makes me wonder if Prodos (err, Archon, now, technically) had these ready to be tooled before losing the license, or at least, prototypes done. The plastic Predators they released right at the end are great and of similar quality.

**Manchu**

Yeah, I don’t see potentially bad rules preventing us from doing SOMETHING totally fun with plastic Aliens minis.

**judgedoug**

Manchu wrote:
Yeah, I don’t see potentially bad rules preventing us from doing SOMETHING totally fun with plastic Aliens minis.

It's the entire reason I bought the entire AVP line along with the Dungeons & Lasers sci fi sets

**Theophony**

You guys need to stop......my poor wallet....At least my printer will make lovely terrain for me. The models look good. better than my old Leading Edge miniatures from waaaaaaaaay back.

**ced1106**

Wouldn't Archon / Prodos have some sort of a agreement / requirement from Paramount not to produce the AvP miniatures since they no longer have the license?

Anyway, during the D&L3 campaign, I asked Archon about sprues of the Chronicle X miniatures as an add-on in Rampart 3 KS or something, and they were open to it. (AFAIK, Archon owns the rights to Chronicle X, and makes the plastic sprues and assembles the miniatures in-house. CX had production problems with their paper and cardboard components, Made in China.)

So, with the possibility that they can produce the miniatures, send 'em a note suggesting they sell them in one way or another.

**H.B.M.C.**

Lotta talk of minis without any pictures.

And can someone photograph the tiles?

**Samsonov**

ced1106 wrote:
Wouldn't Archon / Prodos have some sort of a agreement / requirement from Paramount not to produce the AvP miniatures since they no longer have the license?

That could prevent them producing AvP miniatures but that might not preclude them making Aliens miniatures? I seem to remember from discussions about the AvP kickstarter that the two were different intellectual properties. If so, then I guess that someone making miniatures for the Aliens franchise might also be able to make generic marines since the USCM is part of the Aliens background.

Anyway, I would be very interested if these became a line of multipart plastic miniatures. I do not need any more marines, having 30 plus prodos unmade ones stashed away, but more aliens would be fantastic, whilst one can only dream of a plastic APC and dropship.

**Jadenim**

Manchu wrote:
Yeah, I don’t see potentially bad rules preventing us from doing SOMETHING totally fun with plastic Aliens minis.

*Sits in the corner making “pew-pew” noises*...

**judgedoug**

ced1106 wrote:
Wouldn't Archon / Prodos have some sort of a agreement / requirement from Paramount not to produce the AvP miniatures since they no longer have the license?

Can you explain your thought process here? We know anything AVP from Prodos is gone so there will never be any more Prodos AVP stuff.

Do you mean the Aliens sprues manufactured by Archon for GF9? They are produced under license by a valid licensee. GF9 sells them.

**beast_gts**

Several UK stores didn't get their full allocation / order. This is the announcement from The Outpost:

**ALIENS announcement**

Earlier this month we received around 70% of our ALIENS pre-order numbers from Battlefront/GF9.
We reached out to them last week for further information on the remaining items and received this information around an hour ago.

"Dear Customers,
Due to circumstances out of our control, we received damaged boxes on some of our ALIENS and the expansions, which we are not happy to send to you as a finished product, representative of the quality you have come to expect.

This means that your current pre-order which we expected for December, has been delayed whilst we await acceptable outer box replacements. These should arrive at the end of December, and will be ready to ship them in the New Year."
We reached out to other suppliers and retailers to see if they were able/willing to supply additional stock but were unable to source any.
As such we will be unable to complete several orders containing the core game or bundles. If you have an outstanding order there are 2 options:
1. We will continue to wait for the restock, this is in the new year unfortunately.
2. Your order can be cancelled for a full refund.
If you prefer option 1 then there is nothing more needed, we will be making further announcements once we have news.
If you are looking to receive a refund please email custserv@the-outpost.co.uk with your order number and request a refund to payment method or voucher.
We're incredibly sorry for the news and especially for it being so late.
Chris & The Outpost team

**Garfield666**

The Prodos imvolvement is really interesting... and disturbing...
I checked the AvP Rulebook and the Alien queen is the same as the new plastic GF9 one.
Found my box of old Prodos stuff and compared the figures. Old Prodos is very inconsistent in size. I compared a new marine to an old one and they were almost the same height. Vasquez however is almost 1cm smaller then the old Smartgunner... The WY commandos I had for comparison first are bigger in general.

As it was asked for pics, here's my base boardgame painted. It was only two evenings of speedpainting, so don't expect anything fancy. Boardgamegeek shows some stunning immages from a professional.
Anyways, I am very pleased and they were easy and fun to paint. The Aliens will be very much at risk during gaming as they are so delicate, the rest is fine. Now on to paint the expansions the next days.

Hope this works, never uploaded pics before...

**judgedoug**

Garfield666 wrote:
Vasquez however is almost 1cm smaller then the old Smartgunner...

Jenette Goldstein is 5'3" so that stands to reason.

**Samsonov**

So those aliens in the game look basically identical to the prodos ones. This does indeed look like there has been a bit of change, which might explain the delay. Compare the eventual ones in the game with how the earlier prototypes looked:

(from this page, posted April 2019: https://www.gf9.com/Default.aspx?tabid=225&art_id=6458)

Anyway, if anyone wishes to wargames the Aliens setting then it is difficult to exaggerate how important having a new source of prodos xenomorphs is!

**judgedoug**

Hm not identical, the body poses and tail poses, are minimum, are different than the multipart resin warriors and of course the unicast. But since they had the cad files it only makes sense to repose them for hips production.

**Garfield666**

Looked at my old Prodos Alien-Warriors and they are the same sculpt. Not the same parts, but some heads or tails for example are identical. They have been re-posed, split in different parts and turned into HIPS models.
Interestingly, the powerlifter is also the same pose as the old one, just with Ripley inside.
Guess GF9 bought all (?) the Prodos 3D files.

Dang, now I even feel tempted to paint up all the unused Prodos stuff too...

**MrPieChee**

The prodos stuff goes for 2-3 times it's retail price on eBay - my advice is to sell it and by the GF9 stuff!

**Manchu**

Separate miniatures? Separate miniatures.

LINK

12x xenomorphs = 25 USD

queen = 15 USD

Amazing!

**Billicus**

Oh that's fantastic news. I will be all over that in the new year. Didn't need another game system right now but the miniatures are lovely

**Manchu**

Uh, not to mention the best priced miniatures since like what 1996?

**Billicus**

You're right, I've pulled the trigger now instead of waiting - those are priced to move

**Samsonov**

So are those the same marines as come in the box? I had not realised they are multipart. Anyway, I think I need some of those Aliens!

As much as all this is very welcome, I am unsure why they are doing this. For example, I imagine that plenty of people would pay £50 for main box and £25 for the six extra marines just for the models, yet within a week of those models actually being released you can now buy all 13 humans for £20. Seems a strange business strategy to me, unless something else is going on.

**Max Moray**

Oh, that's great and the price is really nice.

Probably would not have ordered the game if I had known this, though. Anyway... the game will be waiting under the christmas tree and since it's there it will also be played...

**Pacific**

Samsonov wrote:
So are those the same marines as come in the box? I had not realised they are multipart. Anyway, I think I need some of those Aliens!

As much as all this is very welcome, I am unsure why they are doing this. For example, I imagine that plenty of people would pay £50 for main box and £25 for the six extra marines just for the models, yet within a week of those models actually being released you can now buy all 13 humans for £20. Seems a strange business strategy to me, unless something else is going on.

The marines are multipart but not many parts, and fit together in a limited way.

Yes that is very cheap pricing wise. I suppose you would pay more for the rules & expansion if you want to use them with the game (as I think the expansions come with extra unit and event cards etc?) These are here if you just want the minis.

**darknation**

I seem to remember that Prodos were working on a second edition of their game, one that replaced the resin minis with hard plastic for the mass market. If that rumour was true, I'd bet these are the same CAD files that they were working on before they lost the license / ran out of money for tooling.

**judgedoug**

Samsonov wrote:
As much as all this is very welcome, I am unsure why they are doing this. For example, I imagine that plenty of people would pay £50 for main box and £25 for the six extra marines just for the models, yet within a week of those models actually being released you can now buy all 13 humans for £20. Seems a strange business strategy to me, unless something else is going on.

The primary cost is the game. You buy the game, to play the game.

If you are like me, and want lots more figures, you go from "maybe I should buy another copy" to "How many sets of miniatures can I afford before I can't pay my bills anymore".

There's also the Alien RPG from FL, and it's pretty damn smart to cater to those RPG gamers who simply cannot fathom playing an RPG without minis (and there's a lot of them). Especially as the RPG continues to sell out of it's print runs because it's actually really damn good.

Considering the Colonial Marine supplement from FL is coming out very soon, it's either strategic or actually done in partnership (either unofficially/conversationally or officially).

**Pacific**

Just putting some miniatures together and the marines are lovely! Super easy to build, very limited flash. I think they are built in such a way that they should be fairly solid, and not break too easily for the board game crowd.

Aliens are a little more finickity - not sure how many of those tails might break off if care isn't taken, although I think they will always be a bit difficult just because of how the Aliens are (lots of spindly bits sticking out everywhere!)