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terry wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Far as I recall Idoneth, DoK and Nurgle all had 2.0 compatible books. They were certainly part of the 2.0 production and design sweep, even if they lacked some of the latter almost default options (eg endless spells). Idoneth even got one of the early faction terrains.

That said they were earlier books and a revision is good for them. Plus I'd wager Idoneth, DoK and a good few others are ripe for a second wave of models at some stage to update them properly with more diverse options and variety.

DOK already has a confirmed new model (hero snakelady from shadow and pain)

Aye, but when I say second wave I mean something closer to what Genestealer Cults got or what Necrons got recently. Ergo several new kits.

OF course GW can do both; they might expand some armies with a big chunky wave of new models and others with a drip-fed supply. DoK have had two recently - the new Shadow team from Warcry (which has yet to be sold on their own) and the new snake lady leader in Shadow and Pain.

 Overread wrote:

terry wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Far as I recall Idoneth, DoK and Nurgle all had 2.0 compatible books. They were certainly part of the 2.0 production and design sweep, even if they lacked some of the latter almost default options (eg endless spells). Idoneth even got one of the early faction terrains.

That said they were earlier books and a revision is good for them. Plus I'd wager Idoneth, DoK and a good few others are ripe for a second wave of models at some stage to update them properly with more diverse options and variety.

DOK already has a confirmed new model (hero snakelady from shadow and pain)

Aye, but when I say second wave I mean something closer to what Genestealer Cults got or what Necrons got recently. Ergo several new kits.

OF course GW can do both; they might expand some armies with a big chunky wave of new models and others with a drip-fed supply. DoK have had two recently - the new Shadow team from Warcry (which has yet to be sold on their own) and the new snake lady leader in Shadow and Pain.

Pretty much every army that got a battletome in 2018 or early 2019 needs at least a handful of new kits.

Plus the Underworlds team

 Kanluwen wrote:
Idoneth hit shortly before Soul Wars and that swapover. It's never gotten a full updated book. DoK did.

Idoneth definitely needed something, we'll see how this shakes out!

Idoneth came out...AFTER DoK tho? DoK have only had one book.

ERJAK wrote:

 Overread wrote:

terry wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Far as I recall Idoneth, DoK and Nurgle all had 2.0 compatible books. They were certainly part of the 2.0 production and design sweep, even if they lacked some of the latter almost default options (eg endless spells). Idoneth even got one of the early faction terrains.

That said they were earlier books and a revision is good for them. Plus I'd wager Idoneth, DoK and a good few others are ripe for a second wave of models at some stage to update them properly with more diverse options and variety.

DOK already has a confirmed new model (hero snakelady from shadow and pain)

Aye, but when I say second wave I mean something closer to what Genestealer Cults got or what Necrons got recently. Ergo several new kits.

OF course GW can do both; they might expand some armies with a big chunky wave of new models and others with a drip-fed supply. DoK have had two recently - the new Shadow team from Warcry (which has yet to be sold on their own) and the new snake lady leader in Shadow and Pain.

Pretty much every army that got a battletome in 2018 or early 2019 needs at least a handful of new kits.

AoS has 3 army types

1) Smaller armies like Daughters of Khaine, Flesheaters, Idoneth, Lumineth, Ossiarchs and others which work well ,but have very small model ranges. Most of these are either brand new armies or cut down armies so they have wound up very limited in choices in comparison to bigger forces. Most would greatly benefit a good solid second wave of models at least. We actually know that Lumineth at least has room for another 3 temple style units and likely associated avatars (not all need to be huge models).

2) Big armies that have a modern diverse range of models. Stormcast and Nighthaunt would sit here. I'd say Khorne is doing pretty well model diversity wise too.

3) Big armies that are mostly full of older sculpts and need more of a revision and update than new models. Skaven and Lizardmen fit in here. Both have good ranges of models - heck Skaven have a fantastic range of models; but they have a lot of old plastics, finecast and even metals kicking around. There's room to consolidate (eg skaven weapon teams could easily be multi-part plastics in one set) and improve (eg the rat ogres!) without needing to add options.


The majority are in section 1, then 3 then 2. The bonus is that AoS doesn't have Space Marines and whilst early marketing tried, its clear that GW is no loner trying to emulate marine releases and popularity through stormcast.

ERJAK wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Idoneth hit shortly before Soul Wars and that swapover. It's never gotten a full updated book. DoK did.

Idoneth definitely needed something, we'll see how this shakes out!

Idoneth came out...AFTER DoK tho? DoK have only had one book.

And DoK, when they came out, were considered to be a 'full updated book'. They went from being a piddly faction in GA: Order to a fairly strong army in their own right.

Idoneth came later but had a lot of concepts that were outdated by the time the book dropped. Looking at you, Eidolons.

 Kanluwen wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Idoneth hit shortly before Soul Wars and that swapover. It's never gotten a full updated book. DoK did.

Idoneth definitely needed something, we'll see how this shakes out!

Idoneth came out...AFTER DoK tho? DoK have only had one book.

And DoK, when they came out, were considered to be a 'full updated book'. They went from being a piddly faction in GA: Order to a fairly strong army in their own right.

Idoneth came later but had a lot of concepts that were outdated by the time the book dropped. Looking at you, Eidolons.

I don't see it. Idoneth used either the same sort of template DoK used (army wide bonuses that accumulate turn by turn) or more advanced ones (like their 'chapter tactics' being more in line with modern books). DoK was a STRONGER army on release than idoneth was (especially in the meta that existed at that time) but it wasn't any more advanced. Just look at the fact that EVERY DoK command ability requires the model to be the general and offers no bonuses outside of the hero phase. Or the multiple dead in the water model options; slaughter queen on foot who no one takes, bloodstalkers who are 40pts cheaper now, after everything else got more expensive and STILL don't see any play, avatar of khaine, the barely usable but extremely expensive battalions, etc.

Can someone please go on the community site read the leaked rules for Morathi and explain them please as I’m pretty sure they’ve done the biggest set of typo mistakes in one rule ever!

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Can someone please go on the community site read the leaked rules for Morathi and explain them please as I’m pretty sure they’ve done the biggest set of typo mistakes in one rule ever!

yep Looks like its cocked up and should be Morathi-Khaine replacing Shadow Queen in the first occurance.

I thought so but couldn’t work out which one was needing to be replaced

Thank you

Hey! Death Guard in that update!

Says Series 3 incoming, but since it is been in japan already, I am sure some folks already have.. but I dont!

Woo hoo!

 Mr Morden wrote:

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Can someone please go on the community site read the leaked rules for Morathi and explain them please as I’m pretty sure they’ve done the biggest set of typo mistakes in one rule ever!

yep Looks like its cocked up and should be Morathi-Khaine replacing Shadow Queen in the first occurance.

I think we’re seeing the rule out of context. If you assume that this is a special rule possessed by Morathi Khaine, then the rule makes perfect sense.

Which really shouldn't need to be explained in the first place, since all the conditionals have to deal with The Shadow Queen being on the battlefield.

Voss wrote:
Ah. So it's a stealth errata book.

What's stealth about it? Psychic Awakening went on for at least a year, everyone knows it was essentially mandatory codex updates and this will be the same.

The void drum changes are nice, I'm a bit confused about leviadon having mount options seeing it's no a hero mount? I guess it could change, but it's a bit weird calling it a mount...
The net update is actually useful and might be worth taking it on the allopexes

Looks like "mount traits" is referring to them being a warmount ala an elephant or something.

Beastclaw riders can also have mount traits for all of their beast with one subfaction even non hero ones.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Voss wrote:
Ah. So it's a stealth errata book.

What's stealth about it? Psychic Awakening went on for at least a year, everyone knows it was essentially mandatory codex updates and this will be the same.

Ah, you missed the litany upthread where this isn't like PA because AoS is different.

Stealth was probably the wrong word anyway, yes. Paid DLC upgrades is more accurate, rather than the errata process they've already got.

Is it really "paid DLC upgrades" if the warscrolls are updated free anyways?

Assuming that they stick to literally everything else they've done for AoS, naturally. Even the GHB changes when dealing with warscrolls have been free.

Yup, totally free. I suppose the mount traits could be considered a 'dlc upgrade' but the sub-faction stuff is all alternate options, not upgrades. And so far they do not look to be out of the normal power range for stuff that is in the battletome, so missing out will not be a handicap. AoS campaign books are not at all like Psychic Awakening.

Voss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Voss wrote:
Ah. So it's a stealth errata book.

What's stealth about it? Psychic Awakening went on for at least a year, everyone knows it was essentially mandatory codex updates and this will be the same.

Ah, you missed the litany upthread where this isn't like PA because AoS is different.

Stealth was probably the wrong word anyway, yes. Paid DLC upgrades is more accurate, rather than the errata process they've already got.

Nobody who thinks logically for a moment would claim this isn't aos's pa.

Bunch of battletome updates and some new models over several supplements, new edition on summer.

Only thing I hope is that BR books have more factions per books than PA. Only book I have fond memories of in PA is the War of the Spider as it contained a lot of rules for various factions and models, making the price of entry not as bad. Then you have Blood of Bhaal that was basically just updating BA to have Primaris and 2 pages of Tyranid rules. As long as we get something like WotS for every BR book I am a happy woman.

It makes me a bit sad that DoK and Idoneth are not getting a proper update in this book as I feel there is so much more that can be done with these factions to put them on par with the newer tomes. I do feel like Namarti will be relegated to narrative/friendly games for now considering that they are not seeing any updates in the book.

Since DoK are getting at least one new model and the Morathi-Khaine rules, their Battletome is probably going to be one of the earlier 3.0 ones at least.

F for Idoneth though.

Idoneth were never going to be an 'easy fix' like DoK are though. There's a lot that needs addressing...and Namarti is a big part of that. We lack a cheap-ish Akhelian Hero(thankfully, Soulbound has granted us a concept for one in the form of the Emissary!) and any real synergy between Reavers and anyone else.

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Voss wrote:
Ah. So it's a stealth errata book.

What's stealth about it? Psychic Awakening went on for at least a year, everyone knows it was essentially mandatory codex updates and this will be the same.

Ah, you missed the litany upthread where this isn't like PA because AoS is different.

Stealth was probably the wrong word anyway, yes. Paid DLC upgrades is more accurate, rather than the errata process they've already got.

Nobody who thinks logically for a moment would claim this isn't aos's pa.

Bunch of battletome updates and some new models over several supplements, new edition on summer.

One of the main (but not the only) problems with PA was that dozen of pages were devoted to printing the same marine data sheets - again and again. We should not have this issue with AOS and looking forward to reading the lore elements

We lack a cheap-ish Akhelian Hero

What for? Like seriously, what would you even use one for? I'd much rather make Lotann not garbage.

Well, the best part could be the end of the book...


"The followers of Slaanesh are drawing closer to their goal, and the forces of Order cannot hold them back forever. Pre-order Broken Realms: Morathi this weekend to find out what happens! https://bit.ly/351m4D6"


!!

Oh I cant wait for Slaaneshi mortals!!

I just hope they are priced decently

Cronch wrote:

We lack a cheap-ish Akhelian Hero

What for? Like seriously, what would you even use one for? I'd much rather make Lotann not garbage.

Lotann is amazing.
Namarti aren't competitive compared to the eels, hence Lotann (and to an extent, Soulrenders) are "garbage".

Why a cheap-ish Akhelian Hero? So that we can have options that aren't just Kings. Same reason the Daughters are getting Ironscales in addition to Bloodwrack Medusae.

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Voss wrote:
Ah. So it's a stealth errata book.

What's stealth about it? Psychic Awakening went on for at least a year, everyone knows it was essentially mandatory codex updates and this will be the same.

Ah, you missed the litany upthread where this isn't like PA because AoS is different.

Stealth was probably the wrong word anyway, yes. Paid DLC upgrades is more accurate, rather than the errata process they've already got.

Nobody who thinks logically for a moment would claim this isn't aos's pa.

Bunch of battletome updates and some new models over several supplements, new edition on summer.

This isn't AoS's PA. They are both a series of campaign books collectively covering all the armies. That's it. That's the only similarity.