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Has there ever been a bundle as good as the Tzeentch one?
$210, but the LoC alone is $140, the alcoytes are 50$, and you basically get the tzaangors and enlighted for free, plus a discounted gaunt summoner.

Blastaar wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:
Attention: to those of you looking to buy the Christmas boxset from the US.

retail around $200 here in US, its cheaper to buy it overseas from UK/Euro and have them ship it to you as the 120 pound=$160 conversion rate.

From where? Webstores in the Uk sell GW at a discount, and are forbidden to ship outside the UK.


That $50-$60 minimum markup for those of us who don't live under the British Empire is just cruel.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BATTLEFORCE-ASTRA-MILITARUM-BASTION-PLATOON-PRE-ORDER/264955021307?hash=item3db08cc7fb:g:njwAAOSwH-BfwWOP

 GaroRobe wrote:
Has there ever been a bundle as good as the Tzeentch one?
$210, but the LoC alone is $140, the alcoytes are 50$, and you basically get the tzaangors and enlighted for free, plus a discounted gaunt summoner.

Is it really, though? They're overpriced to begin with, $210 is still more than they "should" be individually.


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 Big Mac wrote:

Blastaar wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:
Attention: to those of you looking to buy the Christmas boxset from the US.

retail around $200 here in US, its cheaper to buy it overseas from UK/Euro and have them ship it to you as the 120 pound=$160 conversion rate.

From where? Webstores in the Uk sell GW at a discount, and are forbidden to ship outside the UK.


That $50-$60 minimum markup for those of us who don't live under the British Empire is just cruel.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BATTLEFORCE-ASTRA-MILITARUM-BASTION-PLATOON-PRE-ORDER/264955021307?hash=item3db08cc7fb:g:njwAAOSwH-BfwWOP

Of course. Depending on what my LGS is able to sell it for, I may go that route.

buying from that ebay seller works out to more than what an informed american shopper would actually pay for these boxes (i.e. 15+% discount from US discount retailers)

chaos0xomega wrote:
buying from that ebay seller works out to more than what an informed american shopper would actually pay for these boxes (i.e. 15+% discount from US discount retailers)

Yep. It doesn't support an LGS, though.

 Overread wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Not that they have lasted long ever. Gw models being expensive limited discount boxes always sell out for years. Gw deliberately keeping stock levels　low doesn't help

Yes thats why I got my Stormcast Christmas deal from last year in the summer.

Less than 24 to be sold out is the new GW and main reason I lost interest in Indomitus, DG heroes etc. Covid or not, understock or not all this means I will not buy. Simples.

It's less understock more underproduction. I'm sure GW would love to produce many many more than they have; the fact they sold out so fast compared to previous years is a clear sign that its part of this years's abnormalities due to production pressure. We've seen that on almost everything produced this year alone, even regular models have been falling out of stock faster than normal. We also don't know if they are going to do production and restock waves or not either; which tye might to try and tease out the production pressure whilst they don't have as many machines and packers able to simply dedicate to the task in one big go.

I get that, thats why I said whatever the reason was its still a turn off for my shopping trends.

If they are going to do 2 waves of Nurgle heroes or Christmas bundles etc cool, but by the time they go online and announce this, the money is gone elsewhere, specially in Christmas.
Its not me moaning I get its difficult times its more like I expect this to be the new GW norm and I doubt I will get involved in buying popular items anytime soon.
Theres plenty to buy even at GW.

I do fear the level of frustration will be increasing among clients though. Like, Indomitus wave of discontent is not good.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Not that they have lasted long ever. Gw models being expensive limited discount boxes always sell out for years. Gw deliberately keeping stock levels　low doesn't help

Yes thats why I got my Stormcast Christmas deal from last year in the summer.

Less than 24 to be sold out is the new GW and main reason I lost interest in Indomitus, DG heroes etc. Covid or not, understock or not all this means I will not buy. Simples.

It's less understock more underproduction. I'm sure GW would love to produce many many more than they have; the fact they sold out so fast compared to previous years is a clear sign that its part of this years's abnormalities due to production pressure. We've seen that on almost everything produced this year alone, even regular models have been falling out of stock faster than normal. We also don't know if they are going to do production and restock waves or not either; which tye might to try and tease out the production pressure whilst they don't have as many machines and packers able to simply dedicate to the task in one big go.

I get that, thats why I said whatever the reason was its still a turn off for my shopping trends.

If they are going to do 2 waves of Nurgle heroes or Christmas bundles etc cool, but by the time they go online and announce this, the money is gone elsewhere, specially in Christmas.
Its not me moaning I get its difficult times its more like I expect this to be the new GW norm and I doubt I will get involved in buying popular items anytime soon.
Theres plenty to buy even at GW.

I do fear the level of frustration will be increasing among clients though. Like, Indomitus wave of discontent is not good.

Many game companies are making it more difficult for people to buy and play their games. Terrible long-term strategy.

Another thing to consider is that our buying habits have likely exacerbated the situation. We all lived through the great toilet paper crisis of 2020 and none of us wanted to find ourselves w/o miniatures as well as TP. I bet some people who might have waited on Indomitus/Christmas bundle and ended possibly even not buying any at all in previous years got in super early to buy three of each this year due to acute FOMO. This goes double for scalpers.

Sigh, if I can't get it through my local shop or a US based online shop I'm just not buying, then.

I can wait, and I don't really need any of this stuff. Only thing I really want this weekend that isn't a fomo/deal thing is the Gladiator, but vehicles currently kinda stink so I can wait for that as well.

Ordered the ‘Nid one from my local store. That’s my winter built project right there.

Well, one of them. Need to grab the new tank and a box of assault intercessors, but less worry about those running out, so I might just wait and grab them online, or from another FLGS. I try to spread my spending around.

And am still waiting for the Heavy intercessors and bladeguard vet kits. It’s getting pretty spendy around here, hopefully those can wait a bit.

Update for central time ~14:00 at International Shop: Only the IG Platoon is still around on the 40K catalogue.

As of AoS, I think they haven't run out KO yet because it lacks the Ironclad from the last one.

'Tis would be a terrible Chrstimas for me if I celebrated it: I never have the chance to grab a Tau Battleforce, and I'm quite sure they will get no more unless they are a star faction for next year.

I am starting to believe they are understocked because the pandemic. 50/50 they will make a reprint, but it will still sell fast and severely understocked.

I'm amused that the Xenos/Chaos bundles sold out already, but the imperial ones haven't (on the US shop).

Over-saturation is real.

 Sacredroach wrote:
But the big draw for me for that box is, as being new to the Necron range...it had units that were not in Indomitus (save warriors) and therefore useful in one batch. And the discount did not hurt at all.

As a Necron player myself, I would have totally recommended that Xmas Battleforce to a new player, or to add to Indomitus.

 Big Mac wrote:
Attention: to those of you looking to buy the Christmas boxset from the US.

retail around $200 here in US, its cheaper to buy it overseas from UK/Euro and have them ship it to you as the 120 pound=$160 conversion rate.

Except that all GW shops in Europe are not allowed to ship to the USA and will cancel your preorder as soon as it actually is ready to ship thus taking you away from ordering elsewhere if that was the only place that you ordered through.It is nice because europe also gets a discount off their already lower price from most their shops but we can't get europes retail price or their sale price which is about 30-40 percent off retail US prices.

GW likes to overcharge their inflated fake conversion rates on everyone outside of europe. So please don't advise anyone to do this as they will get screwed. Known from personal experience in trying to order from Europe like this so even if they take your order.... they will NOT fulfill it and you will get a refund two weeks later and won't be able to preorder from anyone else thus losing the deal and the product in cases like these.

 CMLR wrote:
Update for central time ~14:00 at International Shop: Only the IG Platoon is still around on the 40K catalogue.

As of AoS, I think they haven't run out KO yet because it lacks the Ironclad from the last one.

'Tis would be a terrible Chrstimas for me if I celebrated it: I never have the chance to grab a Tau Battleforce, and I'm quite sure they will get no more unless they are a star faction for next year.

I am starting to believe they are understocked because the pandemic. 50/50 they will make a reprint, but it will still sell fast and severely understocked.

The original KO battleforce didn't have an Ironclad, it had a Gunhauler, Frigate, Endrinriggers, Arkanauts and an Admiral. The new one is a decent step up, swapping the arkanauts for another Gunhauler, adds another unit of Endrinriggers, and a $10 upgrade on the HQ.

I think this kit is hurt by the fact that the Aetherwar box scratched a similar itch and the HQ locks you into a specific skyfleet. Also, the AoS boxes almost sell more slowly than the 40K sets.

Blastaar wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
buying from that ebay seller works out to more than what an informed american shopper would actually pay for these boxes (i.e. 15+% discount from US discount retailers)

Yep. It doesn't support an LGS, though.

I'd love to support my LGS, but when I tried to preorder from them, they flat out told me they weren't ordering any AoS boxes, only the 40K ones, despite me directly asking for the Tzeentch box.

Wonder if there options were “all or none” for each game system?

Seems quite possible, as I’m sure they’d have ordered you one if not?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder if there options were “all or none” for each game system?

Seems quite possible, as I’m sure they’d have ordered you one if not?

The wording they used sounded more like a case of them having already submitted their order, deciding the AoS boxes wouldn't move so they didn't order any, and being unwilling to do an additional/change order just for a single customer.

Regardless of the actual circumstances, the result is still the same: I can't get it from them and thus I have to take my money to NOT them.

I can't believe anyone saw that Tzeentch boxed set and didn't think it would sell. Meanwhile the Gloomspite sold out really fast last year and was basically a very similar box so 50% of the AoS are strong sellers. The other two (esp ogors) might not have been seen to sell as fast, but they could have just not ordered them.

I mean at least unless their entire market is only served by locals and you've a very tiny AoS fanbase. Ergo no online store (not even an ebay or such for losing excess stock); and a very small non-growing playerbase

Surprising as it may seem, there are people who aren't in to GW products and have no real idea whether a particular box is a good or bad deal. Some of them even own shops too.

> Production shortage or “underestimated demand”

> Doesn’t limit to 1 per customer


lol

‘Ere.....you might call me slow off the mark....

But wot, no mega paint set? During a pandemic, when we’ve little else to do than Hobby?

angel of death 007 wrote:
GW likes to overcharge their inflated fake conversion rates on everyone outside of europe.

Currency conversion rates are just one factor companies take into account when setting prices in different countries and GW are heavily criticised for simply doing the reverse of what normally happens with goods sold in the UK and US. . The vast majority of companies charge much higher prices in the UK than they do in the the US.

Derek H wrote:
Currency conversion rates are just one factor companies take into account when setting prices in different countries and GW are heavily criticised for simply doing the reverse of what normally happens with goods sold in the UK and US. . The vast majority of companies charge much higher prices in the UK than they do in the the US.

this has also do to with the Wargaming Scene in the UK, as the UK is the home of many historical clubs and scenes and GW had always cut the price in the UK to have a chance to get people in because if you plastic is double the price of other companies metal models, you don't have a chance
there is a lot more competition within the UK as within EU or the US

hence why GW don't like the free market as it prevents them from setting prices for each country based on the local competition (also reason, among others, why many things moved to GW Mail Order only as there they can control the price by adding "shipping fees")

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
‘Ere.....you might call me slow off the mark....

But wot, no mega paint set? During a pandemic, when we’ve little else to do than Hobby?

Agree, this would be the ideal time for that sort of products.

Or themed paint sets with themed paints and bases, terrain etc

Element to the rescue on that count. Complete set of Contrast Paints for £141ish.

Already well into the build phase of my Gitz, and intending/hoping to get the Wraith Bone coat onto the Squig Herds and Hoppers in time for the paints arriving.

Should I get lucky and bag one of their three Catachan Colonels, I’ll have to do something with him, as I’ve already got one.

I was able to nab a Tzeentch box from Poland off eBay for $189 shipped. Remains to be seen whether he can actually ship it with the COVID restrictions, but I was able to get a few sets of PoTW Meganobz for dirt cheap from Poland back in the summer so he should be able to ship it unless the international shipping restrictions have gotten worse there.

Or if he gets box to begin with. Seems　some stores have already cancelled orders　quoting gw sending less than store had asked

 zend wrote:
> Production shortage or “underestimated demand”

> Doesn’t limit to 1 per customer


lol

In fairness the only Battleforces that've historically flown off the shelves were the Primaris ones. I think even the Space Wolf one last year was around well into February and several last over a year.

But with their reduction production and people desperate to buy anything with a GW sticker on it, their foresight was terribly lacking.

In fairness we don't actually know how bad the whole scalper issue is. We also have to remember that every time GW does "1 box per customer" any dedicated scalper will work out ways around it. Heck even regular people can often find tricks around that (eg same address, different person in the household; or same street/block address or a neighbour etc...)

GW at least sees the raw sales data so they have a far better potential to know how multi-buyers have actual impact; at least when they show the same address/order in bulk