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It hasn't been a rule for many years. It wasn't even a rule in 7th which came out over 6 years ago. And it wasn't actually in 6th either which is 8 years old. So when you are talking about something that hasn't been a rule for almost a decade I would say get over it.

I can agree that a good customizable kit should be available to people. Lots of extra bits just to look neat with no actual purpose. Few different heads. Different arms for different poses. A robust weapon sprue.

Eh I guess I've never noticed it not being in the book because its just such a normal expectation people have in general at games. From casual locals to tournaments.

It's a hang up ingrained in older players that they pass on to newer players in communities where newer players may or may not care what they think.

These days I actively encourage modeling things how ever they want them to look with an understanding that you don't confuse your opponent. If they all have the same gun then make sure thats clear. But if you have a sweet sword then model a sweet sword. If it's a singular character then it doesn't matter how it's equipped to it's model because there is no other unit to confuse it with.

My tyranid prime is a heavily modified spawn of cryptus with monstrous scytal and a biocanon I made with extra bits to represent a relic that hasn't existed for 2 editions. So I can equip it with bone swords and a death spitter and it doesn't matter.

Dai wrote:
It's amazing how long it's taking them to make the obvious move of codexing and deamon primarching up Emps Kids and World Eaters. I know those models take some designing but I Imagine they also sell like hot cakes to collectors and gamers alike.

Any such models have been done for years. They just can't dump everything in the pipe all at once - especially not with Primaris in the way.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Well it's good to see that WD is giving some much needed support to the woefully underrepresented loyalist space marines.

I dunno man, the shark marines don't have Space Marines riding Sharks yet, but the dog marines have Space Marines riding Dogs. When will we see support for shark marines??? It's disappointing to see such factions neglected.

I wouldn't count any chickens on getting Shark Marines riding sharks, Vampire Marines have been around a fair bit longer than Dog Marines and we still don't have Vampire Marines riding Vampires. And it's still a better love story than Twilight.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Well it's good to see that WD is giving some much needed support to the woefully underrepresented loyalist space marines.

I dunno man, the shark marines don't have Space Marines riding Sharks yet, but the dog marines have Space Marines riding Dogs. When will we see support for shark marines??? It's disappointing to see such factions neglected.

well, we have flying sharks in AOS...it's only a matter of time my dude.

 bullyboy wrote:


well, we have flying sharks in AOS...it's only a matter of time my dude.

New thread idea: "Are Marines taking up release slots that could be better spent on Marines?"

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:


well, we have flying sharks in AOS...it's only a matter of time my dude.

New thread idea: "Are Marines taking up release slots that could be better spent on Marines?"

How DARE you suggest that marines are taking up too many release slots - Marines make way more money for GW than Marines anyway, and besides, Marines just got a HUGE release, they should wait their turn. Marines are actually totally distinct from Marines, whereas Marines are just a one-note subfaction. Marines have been totally distinct since before RT - I should know, I was an old grognard even back then, so my opinion automatically counts more. Marines have been a fan favorite for years, and it's about time their outdated rules and models got some love, especially as Marines have already had so much stuff. I think the Marines line has only just started being fleshed out properly, and really Marines need more, much more than Marines, who are a much less iconic army, and should have their forgeworld legacy rules scrapped, and then be squatted entirely. Nobody even plays marines, whereas I think you'll find every player owns at least one Marines army.

Knock it off please, we dont need yet another thread degenerating into the same cesspit as the last few and it would be nice if we could actually keep a 40k N&R thread on topic. For once.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
What would be nice is if they stopped with the bespoke bs and actually put in robust tools to build "named characters". Then, build their own named characters using those rules. That way we are working with the same tools as the developers and can actually build our own home brew "chapter"/hivefleet/regiment/etc...

Eh I remember the old Tyranid one. It's a dream for any min-max power-player; a confusing nightmare for others. The problem is even with a custom engine only certain builds would rise to the top as powerful. By which point you're just getting dozens of people picking the same rough choices from the list.

1) that is an example of a poorly made one. Usually with a bloat of options that have clear winners and loosers competing for the same job.

2) How is that any different from right now at the unit level? "THIS named character is a better x than x so why ever take X when you can just have bespoke datasheet."

I'd absolutely love this. Instead of tying unique abilities to named characters/subfactions/units you could instead allow players to create their own, with selectable abilities. It could go for force org and other choices too, and could indeed mean a reincarnation of my beloved build-a-nid codex. This does require strict balancing (I'm sure the old nid dex was easy to break, I was just too young and bereft of internet to know. Instead I knew all the biomorph, unit and weapon costs and built themed lists on a notepad from memory during bus rides. Man I loved that dex.).

....Are those Sand Marines new models, or have I just completely and utterly lost track of marine releases such that I've missed a librarian, chaplain, captain, and ancient sculpt somehow?

the_scotsman wrote:
....Are those Sand Marines new models, or have I just completely and utterly lost track of marine releases such that I've missed a librarian, chaplain, captain, and ancient sculpt somehow?

I think it’s just a new chapter to demonstrate how to use codex SM to make your own chapter. But they have released an official index for this chapter as far as I am aware

mrFickle wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
....Are those Sand Marines new models, or have I just completely and utterly lost track of marine releases such that I've missed a librarian, chaplain, captain, and ancient sculpt somehow?

I think it’s just a new chapter to demonstrate how to use codex SM to make your own chapter. But they have released an official index for this chapter as far as I am aware

Sure, but I feel like I would have seen that guy with the giant mace, or the dude with the huge book eagle thingy before. Are they just extremely elaborate kitbashes then?

Isn't it just basic marine characters with parts from the custodes model line. Like the ax, the banner, the two handed mace chaplain is the old chaplain with a different head and different set of arms.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Well it's good to see that WD is giving some much needed support to the woefully underrepresented loyalist space marines.

I dunno man, the shark marines don't have Space Marines riding Sharks yet, but the dog marines have Space Marines riding Dogs. When will we see support for shark marines??? It's disappointing to see such factions neglected.

Get a few of these, replace the pointy-ears with a shark marine, use the TWC datasheet for rules and poof, Space Marines riding sharks.

Karol wrote:
Isn't it just basic marine characters with parts from the custodes model line. Like the ax, the banner, the two handed mace chaplain is the old chaplain with a different head and different set of arms.

The Ancient might be, that eagle does seem like a kitbash with the thing from the custode vexilla. Why do I feel like the chaplain with the big hammer and the staff libby got previewed at some point...

Lots of fake rumours flying about.

Maybe the "Decadence" is Ynnari since Ynnead is just three Slaanesh Daemons in a trenchcoat.

the_scotsman wrote:

Karol wrote:
Isn't it just basic marine characters with parts from the custodes model line. Like the ax, the banner, the two handed mace chaplain is the old chaplain with a different head and different set of arms.

The Ancient might be, that eagle does seem like a kitbash with the thing from the custode vexilla. Why do I feel like the chaplain with the big hammer and the staff libby got previewed at some point...

The Chaplain with the big hammer is just a Deathwatch 2h hammer with the head coming from a Deathwing Knight mace head.
The Librarian uses Tigurius' arm up to the elbow for the staff posing. Then it uses the standard plastic Primaris Librarian hand, with the sword cut out and replaced with the staff from the plastic Librarian in Power Armor(the one that came with the goofy cherub thing).

There's a lot of conversion and finnickiness that went into these characters.

 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Karol wrote:
Isn't it just basic marine characters with parts from the custodes model line. Like the ax, the banner, the two handed mace chaplain is the old chaplain with a different head and different set of arms.

The Ancient might be, that eagle does seem like a kitbash with the thing from the custode vexilla. Why do I feel like the chaplain with the big hammer and the staff libby got previewed at some point...

The Chaplain with the big hammer is just a Deathwatch 2h hammer with the head coming from a Deathwing Knight mace head.
The Librarian uses Tigurius' arm up to the elbow for the staff posing. Then it uses the standard plastic Primaris Librarian hand, with the sword cut out and replaced with the staff from the plastic Librarian in Power Armor(the one that came with the goofy cherub thing).

There's a lot of conversion and finnickiness that went into these characters.

I must just be misremembering the plastic librarian with the goofy cherub then.

I'd love to see a Mortals Slaanesh cultist kit for AoS, like the Blood Reavers for Khorne, and the Karak acolytes for Tzeentch. Slaanesh is the only of the four gods without mortal 'battleline' unit. Would be great conversion fodder for 40k too.

Maybe we'll see a new Death army announced for AoS too. Maybe a Deathwalker battletome full of new zombie kits and corpse carts, or Soulblight fits the 'decadent' theme too.

 jaredb wrote:
I'd love to see a Mortals Slaanesh cultist kit for AoS, like the Blood Reavers for Khorne, and the Karak acolytes for Tzeentch. Slaanesh is the only of the four gods without mortal 'battleline' unit. Would be great conversion fodder for 40k too.

Maybe we'll see a new Death army announced for AoS too. Maybe a Deathwalker battletome full of new zombie kits and corpse carts, or Soulblight fits the 'decadent' theme too.

yeah, that'd be cool, particularly because those immediately make for a 'stealth cultist unit' for 40k. I use my kairics as my cultists for my tsons army.

Pandabeer wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Well it's good to see that WD is giving some much needed support to the woefully underrepresented loyalist space marines.

I dunno man, the shark marines don't have Space Marines riding Sharks yet, but the dog marines have Space Marines riding Dogs. When will we see support for shark marines??? It's disappointing to see such factions neglected.

Get a few of these, replace the pointy-ears with a shark marine, use the TWC datasheet for rules and poof, Space Marines riding sharks.

But my army can't be unique or fun without bespoke rules for every little thing, and sharks are clearly different from wolves. UGH.


On topic:
I think Decadence really is just AOS. If it turns out any Slaanesh or even Slaanesh-adjacent stuff is coming out for 40k I'll eat my hat. Even when slaanesh was updated for AOS with a slew of new models, an entire range revision including a terrain piece, an epic KoS model, a new special character, new types of creatures (hello living mirror), they got rules for 40k essentially written on the back of a napkin. I was using box datasheets for my units.

This new Index Astartes: Sand Marines has more content than the Slaanesh model range revamp has in 40k.

 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Karol wrote:
Isn't it just basic marine characters with parts from the custodes model line. Like the ax, the banner, the two handed mace chaplain is the old chaplain with a different head and different set of arms.

The Ancient might be, that eagle does seem like a kitbash with the thing from the custode vexilla. Why do I feel like the chaplain with the big hammer and the staff libby got previewed at some point...

The Chaplain with the big hammer is just a Deathwatch 2h hammer with the head coming from a Deathwing Knight mace head.
The Librarian uses Tigurius' arm up to the elbow for the staff posing. Then it uses the standard plastic Primaris Librarian hand, with the sword cut out and replaced with the staff from the plastic Librarian in Power Armor(the one that came with the goofy cherub thing).

There's a lot of conversion and finnickiness that went into these characters.

There was at least one conversion guide in the WD articles, describing in detail how the... Captain (I think) was converted.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Karol wrote:
Isn't it just basic marine characters with parts from the custodes model line. Like the ax, the banner, the two handed mace chaplain is the old chaplain with a different head and different set of arms.

The Ancient might be, that eagle does seem like a kitbash with the thing from the custode vexilla. Why do I feel like the chaplain with the big hammer and the staff libby got previewed at some point...

The Chaplain with the big hammer is just a Deathwatch 2h hammer with the head coming from a Deathwing Knight mace head.
The Librarian uses Tigurius' arm up to the elbow for the staff posing. Then it uses the standard plastic Primaris Librarian hand, with the sword cut out and replaced with the staff from the plastic Librarian in Power Armor(the one that came with the goofy cherub thing).

There's a lot of conversion and finnickiness that went into these characters.

There was at least one conversion guide in the WD articles, describing in detail how the... Captain (I think) was converted.

yeah if you've been following whtie dwarf they've shown all sorts of neatstuff about putting this chapter together

 BaconCatBug wrote:


Maybe the "Decadence" is Ynnari since Ynnead is just three Slaanesh Daemons in a trenchcoat.

Avatar of ynnead = 3 demonettes in a trentchcoat...

Ha... haha... haaaaaa... Thats made my day. Well its not wrong.

My money is on DE if anything at all in terms of 40k.
I think its 40k turn to get major previews now though isint it ?

I think the trend I noticed is a rotation of specialist - Warcry, necromunda, BSF etc. --> 40k --> Specialist - Bloodbowl, Aeornautica, titanicus --> AOS

There been soooo much stuff dropping its flabbergasting and Ive lost track and probably just talking out of my ass mostly...
They are really cranking it out.

Would love to buy more WD but it just doesnt cater to stuff Im interested in which is sad.
Love excuses to look at pictures :p The quins PA one and orks was a greta issue.

 bullyboy wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Well it's good to see that WD is giving some much needed support to the woefully underrepresented loyalist space marines.

I dunno man, the shark marines don't have Space Marines riding Sharks yet, but the dog marines have Space Marines riding Dogs. When will we see support for shark marines??? It's disappointing to see such factions neglected.

well, we have flying sharks in AOS...it's only a matter of time my dude.

We could use the Sigmar sharks as bikes!

Or make a SW successor chapter who's thunder cav ride sharks vs wolves. You could even have schools of sharks vs packs of wolves. How about a hover boat pulled by sharks? Maybe just a dude riding a pair of sharks like Aquaman stands on a pair of dolphins at times.
And of course we can't forget the lazers on the sharks heads....

Park the new Primaris fixed-gun thing on top of the doom-turtle?

 Lance845 wrote:
What would be nice is if they stopped with the bespoke bs and actually put in robust tools to build "named characters". Then, build their own named characters using those rules. That way we are working with the same tools as the developers and can actually build our own home brew "chapter"/hivefleet/regiment/etc...

Right. Like we need more ways to break stuff.

Custom <whatever> inevitably breaks the game. The less there is the better.

tneva82 wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
What would be nice is if they stopped with the bespoke bs and actually put in robust tools to build "named characters". Then, build their own named characters using those rules. That way we are working with the same tools as the developers and can actually build our own home brew "chapter"/hivefleet/regiment/etc...

Right. Like we need more ways to break stuff.

Custom <whatever> inevitably breaks the game. The less there is the better.

No harm as the games already broken.

True, the only way to fix the broken problem is not to try to limit the broken, because this will never work, and it doesn't matter if done intentionaly or if the sales departament forces design to make something 200pts undercosted. The only way to fix the broken problem is for everything to be broken, or at least for every army to have insane broken stuff to play with. If everything is broken nothing is.

And it is a huge difference from trying to streamline and cut stuff for everyone. Not because it never works, but because armies with cut options are boring and un fun to play.

I would love to see pre nerf marines vs something like boys with 3W each or tyranids who can charge 24"+ out of their deployment zone etc