Codex:Death Guard pre-orders on January 16th (Jan16th: Preorders up, full leak, reviews)

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Quick FYI for people in the U.K. Well, England really.

GW stores are re-opening today, and will likely have stock of the Nurgle Space Marine Heroes.

I’ve nabbed a box for the Loot Group, but worth checking out your local store if you missed out for the 3.2 seconds they were available online

**Doohicky**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Quick FYI for people in the U.K. Well, England really.

GW stores are re-opening today, and will likely have stock of the Nurgle Space Marine Heroes.

I’ve nabbed a box for the Loot Group, but worth checking out your local store if you missed out for the 3.2 seconds they were available online

Mine just closed on Friday

I can't get it until 2 weeks. Not their fault at all, but annoying

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

You’re welcome to the set I bagged?

**Doohicky**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You’re welcome to the set I bagged?

Appreciate it, but I am fine. I have the heroes, I am just more about waiting to get my free PM hahaha

Actually I only have 5 of the heroes as my batch had a duplicate. Waiting for them to send me out the missing one.
I actually got the Nurgle number when it finally arrives haha

**Abaddon303**

Do you just walk in and get it for free? No minimum spend our anything?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Badge is a £60 minimum spend. So not necessarily worth it, if you don’t have that level of purchases planned.

**Jidmah**

So if you get the new DG character, a pot of paint and primer, you get a badge

**Abaddon303**

Sorry i meant the plague marine model? Is he free?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

yes (but limited stock, reports seem to be between 2/3 boxes of plague marine for the managers to clip and give away)

**Doohicky**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
yes (but limited stock, reports seem to be between 2/3 boxes of plague marine for the managers to clip and give away)

That is such a tiny amount. We have a single store for the whole of Northern Ireland hahaha

**Slayer-Fan123**

No preview today it looks like?

**Jidmah**

If some posters' theories hold true, we might see another "leaked" datasheet today

**PoorGravitasHandling**

I'm going to guess Deathshroud. Its only Wednesday, so why post something juicy like Blightlords or Plague Marines. They'll have some changes (movement, maybe 2+ WS, plague gauntlet range 12, +1 W, +1 attack, maybe some man reaper changes) to talk about but

**Semper**

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I'm going to guess Deathshroud. Its only Wednesday, so why post something juicy like Blightlords or Plague Marines. They'll have some changes (movement, maybe 2+ WS, plague gauntlet range 12, +1 W, +1 attack, maybe some man reaper changes) to talk about but

Geeze, you like to flirt! I was just hoping for the extra range and wound.

**Marshal Loss**

PBC:

+1 BS
Entropy Cannon becomes D3+3 instead of D6
The mortar gets D2 instead of D1d3, & has no minimum distance
Spitters are flat S6 (like the bloat drone)
Rothail is rapid fire, lost 1AP

Loving the new entropy cannons - even better than what we got in psychic awakening.

**Dudeface**

Marshal Loss wrote:
PBC:

+1 BS
Entropy Cannon becomes D3+d3 instead of D6
The mortar gets D2 instead of D1d3, & has no minimum distance
Spitters are flat S6 (like the bloat drone)
Rothail is rapid fire

Loving the new entropy cannons - even better than what we got in psychic awakening.

I smell a points bump in it's future.

**Jidmah**

Dudeface wrote:
I smell a points bump in it's future.

Probably, but all these buffs are starting to worry me. If everything gets better and more expensive, you'll end up with even less models on the table which might cause DG to end up weird spot where they have great units, but not enough board presence.

**Galas**

Thats not a problem for Adeptus Custodes.

**Marshal Loss**

Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
I smell a points bump in it's future.

Probably, but all these buffs are starting to worry me. If everything gets better and more expensive, you'll end up with even less models on the table which might cause DG to end up weird spot where they have great units, but not enough board presence.

DR could have been nerfed or removed to compensate so that we're still getting a similar number of models on the table. Impossible to judge until we see points + special rules of course, but at least our statlines are looking incredible so far. As far as things to worry about go, this is on the better end of the spectrum

**lare2**

An extra attack as well? For what it's worth.

**Jidmah**

True. Makes the assumption that hateful blows will be replaced by a blanked +1A even more likely.

**Nora**

Galas wrote:
Thats not a problem for Adeptus Custodes.

All infantry and bikes are ObSec and bikes are superfast...

**Eldarsif**

Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
I smell a points bump in it's future.

Probably, but all these buffs are starting to worry me. If everything gets better and more expensive, you'll end up with even less models on the table which might cause DG to end up weird spot where they have great units, but not enough board presence.

Maybe Death Guard will end up becoming Custodes, except Chaos.

**Jidmah**

(pure) Death Guard already have a unique playstyle, I would be sad to see that replaced.

**Eldarsif**

Jidmah wrote:
(pure) Death Guard already have a unique playstyle, I would be sad to see that replaced.

I agree, and with the current lethality of their boltguns and poxwalkers I have a hard time seeing DG becoming some elite force.

**Dudeface**

Eldarsif wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
(pure) Death Guard already have a unique playstyle, I would be sad to see that replaced.

I agree, and with the current lethality of their boltguns and poxwalkers I have a hard time seeing DG becoming some elite force.

You get get 2 from durable, killy or cheap unfortunately, so if they're buffing output and durability the price must go up. I could see pox walkers being nerfed down slightly somehow and made cheaper to fill bodies/swarms a little more to offset a lower body count though.

**Jidmah**

There really isn't much left of pox walkers to be nerfed though. Plus being force to play junk infantry instead of your signature troops always sucks.

**Dudeface**

Jidmah wrote:
There really isn't much left of pox walkers to be nerfed though. Plus being force to play junk infantry instead of your signature troops always sucks.

Well you wouldn't be forced, if the plague marines are fairly priced even if low in numbers, it becomes a choice.

**puma713**

Eldarsif wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
I smell a points bump in it's future.

Probably, but all these buffs are starting to worry me. If everything gets better and more expensive, you'll end up with even less models on the table which might cause DG to end up weird spot where they have great units, but not enough board presence.

Maybe Death Guard will end up becoming Custodes, except Chaos.

I had this feeling as well. Maybe Death Guard will mirror Custodes.

**Doohicky**

puma713 wrote:
Eldarsif wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
I smell a points bump in it's future.

Probably, but all these buffs are starting to worry me. If everything gets better and more expensive, you'll end up with even less models on the table which might cause DG to end up weird spot where they have great units, but not enough board presence.

Maybe Death Guard will end up becoming Custodes, except Chaos.

I had this feeling as well. Maybe Death Guard will mirror Custodes.

Can't see how that will work. Custodes are much faster and have much better standard weapons. Sticking an extra attack for CC does not make them even close to custodes.
You can see with Custodes the prevalent build is bike heavy as it's needed to be fast when such a small force.