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Also fun: COVID delayed the physical codex release, so of course the PDF will be similarly delayed.

"Here are the rules for Morty! You can use him rigtht now!"

He has Contagions of Nurgle. What do those do?

"We'll tell you later!"

So, not really 'now', then, hey?

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
Also fun: COVID delayed the physical codex release, so of course the PDF will be similarly delayed.

They don't sell just ebooks anymore, so unfortunately yeah. You have to have a code from the book to scan it into their app now (which I detest, I don't like having physical books of these things).

 bullyboy wrote:
I wonder how this will affect the DA release

My guess is that the schedule is pushed back unless they go on and do a heavily loaded release in January.

 Jidmah wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
He was 490 before, he's 490 now but better even without the extra rules aforementioned.

Can we just stop this? For every_single_leak, you claim the unit must become more expensive. Then people tell you it was over-costed before. You claim it was fine before, but deliver no proof for that assessment whatsoever. Rinse, repeat.

Units can become better without their point increasing. Because if you improve their stats and their points accordingly, they don't actually become better. DG clearly are in need of improvements.

So please either construct an argument why those units are properly costed right now, or stop.
And no, "GW knew what they were doing when costing them like they did" is not an argument, that's sarcasm at best.

A pbc with the new stats and profiles with entropy cannons is a 160 tank commander with a 5++ & and 5+++ on top.

All I see in here is "yeah I want to be as offensively good as the marine book. And the most durable army. And not being a low model count."

Being the durable army means either being more expensive or hitting like a wet fart. So which is it?

I'm not commenting on current points but as a trend by people. It can't be hard to kill, killy and cheap.

Edit: topping it off i acknowledged he was too expensive, he was answering is 490 points and he is better than he was, nothing I said is incorrect. I asked what you thought he was worth now in context of the current book.

 Sasori wrote:
Nurgle being delayed because of a plague is kind of funny.

Yeah, it is

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Here are the rules for Morty! You can use him rigtht now!"

He has Contagions of Nurgle. What do those do?

"We'll tell you later!"

So, not really 'now', then, hey?

You can still use him now, just with 2 abilities that do nothing currently. You still get the extra toughness.

The point is, this is a solvable problem. Just tease the contagions rule! Dollars to donuts they will a week before release anyway.

Another question is whether Hateful Assault remains in some form or another. If it has been removed then the +1 attack we've been seeing on units could have been done to make up for that. Also means that the +1 to Attack is also not as big of a boost.

Being the durable army means either being more expensive or hitting like a wet fart. So which is it?

Nobody is arguing that Death Guard should be cheap and they are technically expensive units already. It's you who are arguing that Death Guard is currently priced correctly or undercosted and people are disagreeing with that.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Another question is whether Hateful Assault remains in some form or another. If it has been removed then the +1 attack we've been seeing on units could have been done to make up for that. Also means that the +1 to Attack is also not as big of a boost.

Being the durable army means either being more expensive or hitting like a wet fart. So which is it?

Nobody is arguing that Death Guard should be cheap and they are technically expensive units already. It's you who are arguing that Death Guard is currently priced correctly or undercosted and people are disagreeing with that.

I've done neither, I stated with the buffs I'd expect the points to go up, specifically relating to the engines and plague marines. That doesn't mean they're priced correctly in either direction now, but they're (in my opinion) worth more with the buffs.

If the Contagions of Nurgle rule is anything like the Cycle of Corruption from the maggotkin in AoS, I think it could be rather interesting.

Especially if those rules transferred 'as is', that would add some power to our army.

After reading the article, it says: "...it’s disgusting – both in principle and its in-game effects – so your opponent won’t want to go anywhere near your Death Guard if they can avoid it!*"

So I think it'll be similar to the Cycle in AoS and/or Command Protocols in terms of selecting it, but it seems like to me it's going to be debuff/MW auras based off DG units, exciting stuff!

Perhaps the new Armywide buff gives a similar effect to Host of Plagues currently.

Pure wishlisting, but "Cannot take more than 4-6 Wounds per turn/phase" might be a Stratagem for DG units.

Wonder if a new defiler is in the works too, looking at that new background image.

Also, I'm hopeful that the new Plague Marine with Percolator Backpack and Wierd harpoon/long rifle thing Artwork could be a new Heavy Weapon unit.

The Blighthauler also has a new weapon load out in that picture.

 Jidmah wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Are their Obliterators a punishment too?

Oh wait no, these are just arbitrary differences to sell you a whole separate codex with little content!

No, death guard not having heavy weapons on infantry is well established lore, while WE not having ranged weapons is not.

And DG not having obliterators actually doesn't actually have a fluff justification at all. And now please stop the OT.

It's establisbed Mortarion doesn't like it, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, based on the fact he STILL doesn't do anything to lead them for the most part of the lore (which is also established, thanks). It's an artificial restriction for the sake of trying to make Death Guard a separate codex just like with the Loyalists and supplements/codices. It's just to make you buy more books. Nothing more, nothing less.

Interesting.

Death to the False Emperor has gone. I am guessing that the +1A is to replace that as an inbuilt "hey, you guys have fought the long war" bonus.

Contagions of Nurgle is obviously the doctrine equiv. I'm guessing it's like the old Lord of Contagion rule and that it's range just increases (to replace the old host of plagues rule, which is a shame if it's not quite as good). Maybe there's something additional like -1 to hit or other stats

Heretic Astartes, Daemon and Nurgle keywords all still there. Obviously they could change that for the book but seemingly synergy might still be a thing (it absolutely should be considering the CP cost and doctrine loss to soup these days, imho).

He's lost his -1 T aura from what I can see but then this might be incorporated into the doctrine equiv somehow. Or maybe even one of the warlord traits. That choice could be very interesting. Gloaming Bloat could equal Mortarion with permanent trans human lmao (not that it's necessarily worth it with his toughness already being what it is). Eater plague could be fun too, regaining wounds (if he gets to Combat).

- removed, not worth it -

I'm guessing that remorseless from the plague marine article is going to be like angels of death, which will include Hateful assault and malicious volleys.

 Sasori wrote:
I'm guessing that remorseless from the plague marine article is going to be like angels of death, which will include Hateful assault and malicious volleys.

That's what I am thinking too. But seems strange that Morty loses out on hateful assault due to not having it.

DTTFE I would actually be happy to lose. I am not a fan of bonuses vs certain armies like that. ie vengence of cadia etc. I know they are fluffy, but they are very all or nothing things.

Doohicky wrote:

DTTFE I would actually be happy to lose. I am not a fan of bonuses vs certain armies like that. ie vengence of cadia etc. I know they are fluffy, but they are very all or nothing things.

Same. In certain armies you trigger them all the time (DTTFE) and in others, almost never. Some are not often triggered but stupidly OP when in effect (grey knights smite vs daemons).

If they must be included for fluff, make them a stratagem that isn't game breaking.

Doohicky wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I'm guessing that remorseless from the plague marine article is going to be like angels of death, which will include Hateful assault and malicious volleys.

That's what I am thinking too. But seems strange that Morty loses out on hateful assault due to not having it.

DTTFE I would actually be happy to lose. I am not a fan of bonuses vs certain armies like that. ie vengence of cadia etc. I know they are fluffy, but they are very all or nothing things.

Agree about bonuses vs. certain armies. Feels like it creates an artificial Rock, Paper, Scissor on top of it all.

There is one leak that I find curious and that is the Typhus insert. He still has the scythe but the Destroyer Hive is not listed on the sheet. My guess it is now some sort of an ability or stratagem.

It used to be an ability instead of a shooting weapon. Maybe it's back to that again?

Or if we are right about the whole contagions of nurgle, it could buff it now instead, by either being one ahead or does more damage/minuses. I like the idea of that.

Importantly though.
Does tomorrow still bring the coin and free model.
I’m guessing yes as they mention them, but they don’t say it’s for December, so I hope that hasn’t been pushed.

As for DA mentioned as being pushed back, I don’t think so, I think this will just slot in when it arrives.
Assuming the delay is transit.
If it was production then we could see everything pushed along..

 Eldarsif wrote:

Doohicky wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I'm guessing that remorseless from the plague marine article is going to be like angels of death, which will include Hateful assault and malicious volleys.

That's what I am thinking too. But seems strange that Morty loses out on hateful assault due to not having it.

DTTFE I would actually be happy to lose. I am not a fan of bonuses vs certain armies like that. ie vengence of cadia etc. I know they are fluffy, but they are very all or nothing things.

Agree about bonuses vs. certain armies. Feels like it creates an artificial Rock, Paper, Scissor on top of it all.

There is one leak that I find curious and that is the Typhus insert. He still has the scythe but the Destroyer Hive is not listed on the sheet. My guess it is now some sort of an ability or stratagem.

Maybe because the Destroyer Hive isn't exactly MODELED like a Nurgling is for Mortarion? Yeah we see the cloud of demon wasps but that's the best guess I have.

PMs

Looks like they buffed plague knifes and swords. plague knife gets a -1 ap and the sword gets +1 strength and -1 ap. I wonder if they are changing plague weapons

Good catch on Plague Knives

Did GW really just delete Blood Angels Tactical squads and the start collecting Blood Angels set as a codex for them came out? If so, what an absolutely idiotic company.

 clodax66 wrote:
Looks like they buffed plague knifes and swords. plague knife gets a -1 ap and the sword gets +1 strength and -1 ap. I wonder if they are changing plague weapons

This should also mean a change to Plague Bearers who carry the exact same weapon (Plague Sword).
Mace of Contagion with damage 3 could become a decent choice depending on points, so far you always had to buy it together with an axe, paying full price for both weapons but without an attack bonus so it was a very bad choice.