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broxus wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Soooo....

Malefic Talons are crap now, and you cannot take a plague spewer and wings. Guess that's 2 DPs that are sitting on the shelf and another that is illegally equipped.

Cheers GW.

Actually, Wings are crap now, imo. +35pts. for FLY and 2 more inches of movement? Pass.

Wings do seem like a waste now.

Any chance we could get a picture of relics/warlord traits.

DId you notice any other large changes?

Without looking at my rulebook (I have a feeling the answer is no) are the various Contagion extending abilities stackable? Typhus' and the Deathshroud's ones are named differently but do exactly the same thing.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Soooo....

Malefic Talons are crap now, and you cannot take a plague spewer and wings. Guess that's 2 DPs that are sitting on the shelf and another that is illegally equipped.

Cheers GW.

Actually, Wings are crap now, imo. +35pts. for FLY and 2 more inches of movement? Pass.

All my DPs have wings. Oh look, the DG DP mini doesn't have them, don't want people learning an actual skill in this hobby (which converting and kitbashing is just as much as painting) so lets dissuade people from taking them as an option. Sounds about right.

Oh, I completely understand your frustration. I have a DP modeled with wings and talons. Now the regular stock Nurgle DP from GW is better. So now I have to buy one of those, in Failcast no less.

Ok during the TTT battle report Bone kept extending the range of his plague surgeon’s ability to 12”. How in the world is he doing that any idea? I get you can extend to 6” with the relic, but can’t see how to extend it to 12”

 alextroy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 BleachHawk wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Did the Daemon Engines get CORE?

No. Plague Marines, Possessed, Blightlord Terminators, Deathshroud Terminators and Helbrutes have it.

Correct.

Huh. So I guess the Lord of Virtulence really only has use with Deathshroud then. Thanks for the information, and thanks GW for creating a unit whose fluff makes mention of Daemon Engines and then do nothing with them.

Master of Destruction also synchs up with the Virulent Rounds stratagem if you have a unit armed with Bolt weapons. Not something to build a list around, but certainly a nice bonus for when you want to make a unit's Bolters shots really count.

Eh deepstriking some Blightlords maybe but Blightlords are already looking unattractive next to Deathshroud.

broxus wrote:
Ok during the TTT battle report Bone kept extending the range of his plague surgeon’s ability to 12”. How in the world is he doing that any idea? I get you can extend to 6” with the relic, but can’t see how to extend it to 12”

The Ferryman Strat allows you to increase the aura range of one Foetid Virion model by 6". So he probably had a Surgeon with Fugaris Helm, making it a 6" bubble, then he played that Strat, making it a 12" bubble.

Doh that must be it. Wow that is pretty solid!!

One other question. With the the flash outbreak stratgemen. There is no way to have more than one contagion (other than the standard one) per detachment is there? Meaning you will just get the one your warlord has if he took it?

Two questions-

Typhus' Warlord trait. I presume it is the same as in Psychic Awakening of the same name (anything you kill in HTH can be made into more Poxwalkers).

I take it the Foul Blightspawns have lost their "no one counts as charging" thing as it appears to now be a relic. Do they have anything in its place?

Looking at the daemon prince's datasheet, I'm actually debating whether or not they're worth running at all. 2" of movement aren't worth 35 pts. It has a 3+/5+, where as a LoC/LoV/Typhus have 2+/4+. The Prince can cast powers, bit so can Typhus.

 l0k1 wrote:
Looking at the daemon prince's datasheet, I'm actually debating whether or not they're worth running at all. 2" of movement aren't worth 35 pts. It has a 3+/5+, where as a LoC/LoV/Typhus have 2+/4+. The Prince can cast powers, bit so can Typhus.

Typhus is much much better. However, it locks you into his kit and cant take an extra warlord trait. It felt like in Codex SM they tried to maximize flexibility, but in Codex DG they tried to minimize it.

Thanks for posting all this puma, great quality.

broxus wrote:
Doh that must be it. Wow that is pretty solid!!

One other question. With the the flash outbreak stratgemen. There is no way to have more than one contagion (other than the standard one) per detachment is there? Meaning you will just get the one your warlord has if he took it?

Mortarion's Supreme Command Detachment could be the Ferrymen while your other detachment could be Mortarion's Anvil. Plague Companies are not restricted to one per army, just one per detachment.

Is the foul blightspawn ability an aura?

Does plague surgeon heal just work for the plague company he belongs to.

 puma713 wrote:

broxus wrote:
Ok during the TTT battle report Bone kept extending the range of his plague surgeon’s ability to 12”. How in the world is he doing that any idea? I get you can extend to 6” with the relic, but can’t see how to extend it to 12”

The Ferryman Strat allows you to increase the aura range of one Foetid Virion model by 6". So he probably had a Surgeon with Fugaris Helm, making it a 6" bubble, then he played that Strat, making it a 12" bubble.

Contagions aren't auras though. Maybe he used the flash outbreak stratagem?

broxus wrote:
Doh that must be it. Wow that is pretty solid!!

One other question. With the the flash outbreak stratgemen. There is no way to have more than one contagion (other than the standard one) per detachment is there? Meaning you will just get the one your warlord has if he took it?

There are three ways I know of to have a second contagion (There may be more)
1. Mortarion gets to pick one warlord trait that is always a contagion
2. Have Typhus (He has one as his warlord trait
3. Have your warlord take a plague company trait (Like with Morty)

broxus wrote:
One other question. With the the flash outbreak stratgemen. There is no way to have more than one contagion (other than the standard one) per detachment is there? Meaning you will just get the one your warlord has if he took it?

If you take a plague fleet contagion as warlord trait, that character will have two contagions.

 Jidmah wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

broxus wrote:
Ok during the TTT battle report Bone kept extending the range of his plague surgeon’s ability to 12”. How in the world is he doing that any idea? I get you can extend to 6” with the relic, but can’t see how to extend it to 12”

The Ferryman Strat allows you to increase the aura range of one Foetid Virion model by 6". So he probably had a Surgeon with Fugaris Helm, making it a 6" bubble, then he played that Strat, making it a 12" bubble.

Contagions aren't auras though. Maybe he used the flash outbreak stratagem?

The Plague surgeon 6++ fnp isn't a contagion. I assume it is an aura

 Grimtuff wrote:
Two questions-

Typhus' Warlord trait. I presume it is the same as in Psychic Awakening of the same name (anything you kill in HTH can be made into more Poxwalkers).

I take it the Foul Blightspawns have lost their "no one counts as charging" thing as it appears to now be a relic. Do they have anything in its place?

Typhus' WL trait is from Harbingers. See below.



Foul Blightspawn:

 Jidmah wrote:

broxus wrote:
One other question. With the the flash outbreak stratgemen. There is no way to have more than one contagion (other than the standard one) per detachment is there? Meaning you will just get the one your warlord has if he took it?

If you take a plague fleet contagion as warlord trait, that character will have two contagions.

I haven’t seen this trait yet......

Is battlescribe wrong as it has dual talons costing more than talon and sword/axe?

broxus wrote:
Is the foul blightspawn ability an aura?

Does plague surgeon heal just work for the plague company he belongs to.

 l0k1 wrote:
Looking at the daemon prince's datasheet, I'm actually debating whether or not they're worth running at all. 2" of movement aren't worth 35 pts. It has a 3+/5+, where as a LoC/LoV/Typhus have 2+/4+. The Prince can cast powers, bit so can Typhus.

It will be curious to see if the normal CSM Daemon prince will have the same stats. Does feel like they don't want you to run Daemon Prince much in Death Guard, echoing the senitment that 2" for 35 points is a lot of points.

Cheers. I like the FBS's new ability. Something good has appeared then.

Typhus' trait seems a bit meh at first glance as you can never get more than a single MW on a character with it. Looks like he's certainly geared for clearing out chod with 12 attacks and various MWs coming from things.

 Jidmah wrote:

broxus wrote:
One other question. With the the flash outbreak stratgemen. There is no way to have more than one contagion (other than the standard one) per detachment is there? Meaning you will just get the one your warlord has if he took it?

If you take a plague fleet contagion as warlord trait, that character will have two contagions.

Meaning the default one everyone gets and the trait correct?

broxus you asked me earlier if I had noticed any large changes - I'd have to say, besides all the buffs, nerfs, changes, etc., etc. without a doubt the largest change is the one we've been discussing before I started posting pages - the fact that Blightlords/Plague Marines are now restricted to box contents as their options. It sets a precedent that could have sweeping implications across the game. Is GW testing this with the DG codex to see how it is received by the masses? Or is this the way forward? It will be interesting to see. It will invalidate many things that people have built (Havocs come to mind) if they move forward this way.





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broxus wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

broxus wrote:
One other question. With the the flash outbreak stratgemen. There is no way to have more than one contagion (other than the standard one) per detachment is there? Meaning you will just get the one your warlord has if he took it?

If you take a plague fleet contagion as warlord trait, that character will have two contagions.

Meaning the default one everyone gets and the trait correct?

That's right.


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Abaddon303 wrote:
Is battlescribe wrong as it has dual talons costing more than talon and sword/axe?

The updated points on the FAQ page don't give malefic talons a cost.

Does Mortarian have all the plague company keywords?

broxus wrote:
Does Mortarian have all the plague company keywords?

No, he doesn't have any.

Also, I'm not sure who reported it, but Poxwalkers DO have ObSec. I saw some rumors going around that they didn't.

 puma713 wrote:

broxus wrote:
Does Mortarian have all the plague company keywords?

No, he doesn't have any.

Also, I'm not sure who reported it, but Poxwalkers DO have ObSec. I saw some rumors going around that they didn't.

You sure it wasn't cultists? because they don't.

broxus you asked me earlier if I had noticed any large changes - I'd have to say, besides all the buffs, nerfs, changes, etc., etc. without a doubt the largest change is the one we've been discussing before I started posting pages - the fact that Blightlords/Plague Marines are now restricted to box contents as their options. It sets a precedent that could have sweeping implications across the game. Is GW testing this with the DG codex to see how it is received by the masses? Or is this the way forward? It will be interesting to see. It will invalidate many things that people have built (Havocs come to mind) if they move forward this way.

The question is also what slots this affects in future codexes. Could be that if the unit is in the troop or elite slot it is bound to the box contents, but if it is heavy(Havocs, Retributors) they will be left alone.

Personally I think this type of no model - no rule hits the heavy slots the hardest considering what loadouts are available in each box.

Voss wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

broxus wrote:
Does Mortarian have all the plague company keywords?

No, he doesn't have any.

Also, I'm not sure who reported it, but Poxwalkers DO have ObSec. I saw some rumors going around that they didn't.

You sure it wasn't cultists? because they don't.

It's possible.