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I am trying to figure out how to make flash outbreak out get as many extra contagians as possible on a unit. Right now i can only figure out how to give it one extra with what every my warlord trait. So is it maximum you can spread one extra trait.

Why does having a plague spewer prevent you from taking wings? Why do you need to have a sword to have a plague spewer?

And I love how you only get the Orb thingy if you take a Manreaper, but can't have it with the other weapon.

fething GW...

broxus wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

broxus wrote:
Does Mortarian have all the plague company keywords?

No, he doesn't have any.

I am trying to figure out how to make flash break out get as many extra contagians as possible on a unit. Right now i can only figure out how to give it one extra with what every my warlord trait. So is it maximum you can spread one extra trait.

See below.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why does having a plague spewer prevent you from taking wings? Why do you need to have a sword to have a plague spewer?

And I love how you only get the Orb thingy if you take a Manreaper, but can't have it with the other weapon.

fething GW...

Yup, incredibly silly rules design based on model design entirely. Just ask any Dark Eldar player just how bad they were boned when the 7th edition codex dropped, and it got worse in 8th. Lord only knows what else will be missing in 2 more months.

The Necron overlords are that way as well, can't take a void scythe or warscythe with a tachion arrow. Nope, gotta have that worse in every way warglaive that had no reason to exist lol.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why does having a plague spewer prevent you from taking wings? Why do you need to have a sword to have a plague spewer?

And I love how you only get the Orb thingy if you take a Manreaper, but can't have it with the other weapon.

fething GW...

Also, why do you HAVE to have the orb if you have a Manreaper?


Also nice that the Orb of DESSICATION is clearly full of liquid...

So does flash outbreak allow you to get contagians from all detachments or only the detachment they are in?

broxus wrote:
So does flash outbreak allow you to get contagians from all detachments or only the detachment they are in?

This doesn't work. Editing it out to prevent confusion.

Flash Outbreak basically just lets 1 unit get the Company's Warlord Trait for a turn.


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 Lord Damocles wrote:



Also nice that the Orb of DESSICATION is clearly full of liquid...

Right? This actually does bug me. Maybe it is because it has sucked the liquid out of all nearby enemies and now it's full.

 puma713 wrote:

broxus wrote:
So does flash outbreak allow you to get contagians from all detachments or only the detachment they are in?

He would get all of them. In my example:

Mortarion has his normal 3 WL traits, plus I gave him the Droning from Ferrymen.

I then have a Mortarion's Anvil patrol with an HQ that has Gloaming Bloat.

Finally, I have a second patrol from the Inexorable that has Ferric Miasma.

I play Flash Outbreak and Mortarion would then be affecting everyone within 9" with 4 contagion bubbles.

Flash Outbreak is limited to <Plague Company>, so the targeted unit would get neither another plague company's contagions, nor the one Mortarion chose as he is lacking a plague company keyword.

It really only spreads the one warlord trait to the targeted unit.

Hang on... we know that the DG Combat Patrol doesn't provide a legal army because you cannot use 10 of the Poxwalkers thanks to the 20-man size limit on Poxwalker units.

Except, each of those Poxwalker sprues hasn't been recut, and comes with a partial Plague Marine.

Did GW think that, because of those 3 partial Plague Marines, the box actually has 10 Plague Marines, therefore 2x5, therefore the extra 10 Poxwalkers are legal?

They know you can't actually build the partial Plague Marines, right?

A DG DP gets 6 WS2 S8 AP3 D3 attacks, while Typhus gets 6 WS3 S7 AP3 D3 attacks. The +1S and +1 to hit make him a better beat stick and he is 10/15pts cheaper without wings.

Also, S8 with the -1T contagion wounds Knights on 3s, that is nice.

I do like Typhus though.

 Jidmah wrote:


Flash Outbreak is limited to <Plague Company>, so the targeted unit would get neither another plague company's contagions, nor the one Mortarion chose as he is lacking a plague company keyword.

It really only spreads the one warlord trait to the targeted unit.

Ah, you're right. For some reason I was reading <Plague Company> as whichever Plague Company you want to fill in there, not one singular Plague Company. Yes, basically Flash Outbreak lets a <Plague Company> unit have the Warlord Trait for a turn.

But flesh Outbreak just works between units with a shared Plague Company Keyword.
So this multi combo isn`t possible, the only thing you can do is to give another unit one contagion if they share the Plague company.

Also Mortarion can`t use this strat at all nor provide anything cause he never gets a Plague Company keyword.


Edit: Dammit, too slow.

 Grotrebel wrote:
But flesh Outbreak just works between units with a shared Plague Company Keyword.
So this multi combo isn`t possible, the only thing you can do is to give another unit one contagion if they share the Plague company.

Also Mortarion can`t use this strat at all nor provide anything cause he never gets a Plague Company keyword.

Yeah, I've edited my examples above.

Starting to think that dropping in 10 Blightlords with combi-bolters supported by a LoV could be nasty. Drop them in and play Virulent Rounds and Vermid Whispers, maybe Eternal Hatred too. 4 CPs, but that would be 40 shots, hitting on 2's, rerolling 1's, wounding on 3's (or 2's, depending on if they're in Contagion range of someone), re-rolling 1's, with 6's causing -1 AP.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hang on...

They know you can't actually build the partial Plague Marines, right?

I think if you use some greenstuff as filler and place some extra bits from the multipart boxes it can be done. Not your point I know but we need to find ways to add those extra bodies to the units.

 puma713 wrote:
Starting to think that dropping in 10 Blightlords with combi-bolters supported by a LoV could be nasty. Drop them in and play Virulent Rounds and Vermid Whispers, maybe Eternal Hatred too. 4 CPs, but that would be 40 shots, hitting on 2's, rerolling 1's, wounding on 3's (or 2's, depending on if they're in Contagion range of someone), re-rolling 1's, with 6's causing -1 AP.

I think you still want some heavy weapons if you get stuck in cc or want something with a little extra punch.
But all the new combos are quite interesting. For example you could throw in Creeping Blight so those Plague Weapons get AP4 (5 with LoV) on 6s. Situational but nice for stuff that gets +2 in cover for example.

 Grotrebel wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
Starting to think that dropping in 10 Blightlords with combi-bolters supported by a LoV could be nasty. Drop them in and play Virulent Rounds and Vermid Whispers, maybe Eternal Hatred too. 4 CPs, but that would be 40 shots, hitting on 2's, rerolling 1's, wounding on 3's (or 2's, depending on if they're in Contagion range of someone), re-rolling 1's, with 6's causing -1 AP.

I think you still want some heavy weapons if you get stuck in cc or want something with a little extra punch.
But all the new combos are quite interesting. For example you could throw in Creeping Blight so those Plague Weapons get AP4 (5 with LoV) on 6s. Situational but nice for stuff that gets +2 in cover for example.

Yeah, or footslog them with a Prince or Tallyman/Surgeon. There's a lot of possibilities and 10 3W 2+/4++ with -1 damage seeming really strong to cover a quarter of the board. Maybe even a Blightbringer to make them as fast as normal marines.

Sarouan wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:


I.... i don't think you understood that analogy.

No, I perfectly do. The book isn't even out yet and you can't have tested all the possibilites with the new book already. You may have an idea of how it will play in your head, but you can't be sure unless you actually tried it.

To take your analogy, you're like a child refusing to eat what their parents are trying to feed him, purely because you decided in your mind it was dog gak so and not how it actually really taste.

You do what you want, in the end ! But I'm expecting the majority of Death Guard players not sharing your very narrow point of view about the changes, in the end.

I can assure you I will still not like this later and won't just go " oh well ". As well clean your headspace some and realize most of us, I'd say all of us, aren't saying the book is weak or terrible. We are saying these equipment changes are stupid and should be changed and not repeated for others. Assume the people complaining may have decades of this game under their belt, as I do, and this isn't even a sane choice yet alone a good one. Why was it totally fine for us to buy multiple boxes all this time, but not now ? Can I look forward to storm trooper squads having to take one plasma gun, and another of the specials ? It would turn some units that need to specialize into crap. It looks and feels stupid and no I won't appreciate it more later because it's still stripping onus of choice from me and giving it to " But only one box man ! ".

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why does having a plague spewer prevent you from taking wings? Why do you need to have a sword to have a plague spewer?

And I love how you only get the Orb thingy if you take a Manreaper, but can't have it with the other weapon.

fething GW...

Also, why do you HAVE to have the orb if you have a Manreaper?
Also nice that the Orb of DESSICATION is clearly full of liquid...

These are rethorical questions, right? Because I'm sure they have to do with the current and recently available model's weapon options

Sigh played against imperial fists with several Redemptors today. I had
Typhus
Plaguecaster
4x units of PM with Blight launchers and flails
2x units of Poxwalkers (10 models)
2x fleshmowers
Plague surgeon (+3” Helm)
Blightspawn (anti charge relic)
2x PBC with entropy cannons
Unit of 3 deathshroud
5x blightlords

I felt like the ending of the last samurai. They are just so slow still and can’t charge reliability. Just don’t see how we can compete agains shooting armies. The major hit to our shooting output hurts bad.

Is Mortarian going to be mandatory?

broxus wrote:

Is Mortarian going to be mandatory?

He's in all my lists so far.

 puma713 wrote:

broxus wrote:

Is Mortarian going to be mandatory?

He's in all my lists so far.

He seems solid, but the problem is it feels like you don’t have much of an army left afterwards. What else did you have in your list? My PMs seem to die very fast against macro plasma haha.

broxus wrote:
Sigh played against imperial fists with several Redemptors today. I had
Typhus
Plaguecaster
4x units of PM with Blight launchers and flails
2x units of Poxwalkers (10 models)
2x fleshmowers
Plague surgeon (+3” Helm)
Blightspawn (anti charge relic)
2x PBC with entropy cannons
Unit of 3 deathshroud
5x blightlords

I felt like the ending of the last samurai. They are just so slow still and can’t charge reliability. Just don’t see how we can compete agains shooting armies. The major hit to our shooting output hurts bad.

Is Mortarian going to be mandatory?

Anything from your list perform well?

Played my first game today. 1500 points

daemon prince, wings sword
10 plauge marines
20 pox walkers

x2 plaguedrones

Death shrouds

Daemon Prince
10 plague marines
16 poxwalkers

Faced castleing Ultramarines with pappa g himself. Honestly was incredibly surpised by the amount of objective pressure my list allowed. Went and took midfield, then with the deathshroud pressure from the rear, pinched him in middle and destroyed. Denying rerolls with mortarions anvil is fun. Glad to have such a strong showing against a army I have had trouble against in past.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hang on... we know that the DG Combat Patrol doesn't provide a legal army because you cannot use 10 of the Poxwalkers thanks to the 20-man size limit on Poxwalker units.

Except, each of those Poxwalker sprues hasn't been recut, and comes with a partial Plague Marine.

Did GW think that, because of those 3 partial Plague Marines, the box actually has 10 Plague Marines, therefore 2x5, therefore the extra 10 Poxwalkers are legal?

They know you can't actually build the partial Plague Marines, right?

That is the most likely explanation. What idiots.

broxus wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

broxus wrote:

Is Mortarian going to be mandatory?

He's in all my lists so far.

He seems solid, but the problem is it feels like you don’t have much of an army left afterwards. What else did you have in your list? My PMs seem to die very fast against macro plasma haha.

Well, the lists I'm building are constantly developing right now, but Morty is the first thing I add in all of them. Once I land on one that I am really satisfied with, I'll come post it.

Blastaar wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hang on... we know that the DG Combat Patrol doesn't provide a legal army because you cannot use 10 of the Poxwalkers thanks to the 20-man size limit on Poxwalker units.

Except, each of those Poxwalker sprues hasn't been recut, and comes with a partial Plague Marine.

Did GW think that, because of those 3 partial Plague Marines, the box actually has 10 Plague Marines, therefore 2x5, therefore the extra 10 Poxwalkers are legal?

They know you can't actually build the partial Plague Marines, right?

That is the most likely explanation. What idiots.

I thought Poxwalkers were still capped at 30. Yikes.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Blastaar wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hang on... we know that the DG Combat Patrol doesn't provide a legal army because you cannot use 10 of the Poxwalkers thanks to the 20-man size limit on Poxwalker units.

Except, each of those Poxwalker sprues hasn't been recut, and comes with a partial Plague Marine.

Did GW think that, because of those 3 partial Plague Marines, the box actually has 10 Plague Marines, therefore 2x5, therefore the extra 10 Poxwalkers are legal?

They know you can't actually build the partial Plague Marines, right?

That is the most likely explanation. What idiots.

I thought Poxwalkers were still capped at 30. Yikes.

Poxwalkers have always been capped at 20 (but could grow bigger with kills in the beginning of 8th).

Yeah, they lost the ability to grow above 20 completely. In return, you can now gain poxwalkers from killing anything that's not a vehicle or monster, including bikers, swarms and drones.

The question remains then, why the extra pox walkers that can't be used ? Unless I have that wrong with their rules that feels pretty lame.

jesus, that DP equipment armory and the design of it is so fething stupid...

I hope that No other factions get's that nonsense.
and frankly it's insulting, considering how big of a part Modelling and kitbashing is and should be for the hobby.
Not to mention that it screams "LAZY RULES TESTERS / WRITERS" to heavens.