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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/14 11:03:22
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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creeping-deth87 wrote:A little late to the discussion but it warms my heart how many people in this thread hated Bernadette's character in BBT. I stopped watching the show shortly after she became a series regular. Not just because of her, as I think the show really took a nose dive after that amazing second season, but she was definitely a huge part of why I stopped. I just couldn't stand her at all, and the couple of times in the past I've gauged fan reaction to her online I was absolutely bewildered how many people liked her character.
I got to the end of TBBT, there was enough 'good' stuff to laugh at, but was getting fed up with the characters meanness to each other. Sure, they're sitcom characters, and maybe professional scientists here can weigh and say it happens all the time but two particularly irksome moments were 1) Sheldon taking credit for Leonard's breakthrough idea in a press interview and 2) the other three sabotaging Sheldon's arctic experiment (rendering the expedition at huge waste of time and money), yet it's Sheldon who everyone agrees is a fool. Wouldn't the other three be, you know, fired?!
Also, despite being the victim of bullies in their past, they're quick to be cruel to others like Zack and Stuart.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 06:12:09
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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I’d have been more upset if Stuart weren’t the Hans Moleman of TBBT.
Zack was just a positive guy who actually treated them well, just lacking in comprehension. Leonard was jealous of him, Sheldon was an A-hole to everyone, and from I remember Raj was friendly with him. Howard and Bernadette aren’t nice people by the end, and I think Amy flirted with him somewhat. Penny....well, they had a weird relationship.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 09:02:25
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Longtime Dakkanaut
The ruins of the Palace of Thorns
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In the new Star Trek movies, I really struggled with Simon Pegg as Scottie. It really didn't work for me. I love Simon Pegg, especially in Edgar Wright's Cornetto trilogy, but he could not manage Scottie. Which is a shame, as I though Kirk, Spock and Bones were very well cast (I love Karl Urban in general though). He didn't quite ruin the movie completely, but he was damn close.
What was even worse was Scottie's ridiculous little sidekick in the next one. Really dumb.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 17:54:32
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Fifty wrote:In the new Star Trek movies, I really struggled with Simon Pegg as Scottie. It really didn't work for me. I love Simon Pegg, especially in Edgar Wright's Cornetto trilogy, but he could not manage Scottie. Which is a shame, as I though Kirk, Spock and Bones were very well cast (I love Karl Urban in general though). He didn't quite ruin the movie completely, but he was damn close.
What was even worse was Scottie's ridiculous little sidekick in the next one. Really dumb.
Can't argue with that - I completely agree - he just seemed out of place but also agree it did not really damage the film just a Oh he is back when on screen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/18 20:53:23
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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A little while ago I defended some of Jim Carrey's work. Like most actors he can produce something worth while when a director gets hold of him and does what they're supposed to do, which is direct the actors.
Then you get films like Sonic. It's not a great film. It's not even good. I'd say it was the wrong side of meh, worth watching just as a curiosity. The acting is poor, the CGI is functional, the humor isn't clever enough to be noteworthy and the camera work is... urrgh. There's an expositional scene early on where we're introduced to the hero and his wife and it's cringingly bad. But over-all the film isn't a disaster, its just not good.
Apart from every single scene with Carrey. He's awful. Nothing he does is new or interesting. It's the same crap he's been doing for years. There's a scene where he's on the hero's doorstep about half an hour in and it's the most unimpressive Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey thing you are likely to see. Replacing him with someone else wouldn't have saved the film. But at least it would have made the film better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/20 09:03:31
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Personally i hated jim carrey for a long time. He started out on a show called "In living color", a show made by the Wayans brothers who do things that would be labeled hate speech if they were white.
He did a skit mocking reginald denny, the innocent truck driver pulled from his truck, savagely beaten and left with permanent brain damage during the rodney king riots.
Yes, i hated him for that and don't apologize for it.
He tends to play loud, offensive characters who like to run down people, and you often want to see his character get punched out.
I understand that IRL he has changed a lot over the years and donates a lot to charity, advocates for the poor, etc.
So I have seriously mixed feelings on him. But in general i don't like his roles or acting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/21 16:11:12
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Not to mention, IRL Carrey had a complete mental break down and basically became a recluse hermit due to his mental health issues.
Sonic was his attempt at "coming back" and I actually heard some okay stuff about it from others. I have not personally seen it though, and Henry is clearly not a fan.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/23 07:06:08
Subject: Re:Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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How could they tell? His default personality is basically homeless nutter who just snorted 3 lines of coke and chased it down with enough meth to choke a horse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/23 15:15:48
Subject: Re:Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Grey Templar wrote:How could they tell? His default personality is basically homeless nutter who just snorted 3 lines of coke and chased it down with enough meth to choke a horse.
When he has to be "on" sure. Just like Robin Williams. Of course, we all know when he wasn't "on" things were different for him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/24 11:29:12
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Fifty wrote:In the new Star Trek movies, I really struggled with Simon Pegg as Scottie. It really didn't work for me. I love Simon Pegg, especially in Edgar Wright's Cornetto trilogy, but he could not manage Scottie. Which is a shame, as I though Kirk, Spock and Bones were very well cast (I love Karl Urban in general though). He didn't quite ruin the movie completely, but he was damn close.
What was even worse was Scottie's ridiculous little sidekick in the next one. Really dumb.
I hated scotty being turned from a strong, confident, friendly man into a spazzy geek and dweeb. But that's part of the war on intelligence the media is waging. And yes, call is a conspiracy theory, but i believe there is a media war on intelligence in america.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/24 20:08:08
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Matt Swain wrote: But that's part of the war on intelligence the media is waging. And yes, call is a conspiracy theory, but i believe there is a media war on intelligence in america.
This is not exactly new. The mad scientist cowardly hides behind his machines because he can't face the stalwart hero in face-to-face combat is merely the modern incarnation; in ages past it was the evil wizard. Knowledge and intelligence is demeaned; strength and physical prowess praised. That's why scientists get paid under $100K and teachers get paid even less, while professional athletes make millions to play games. The common man can understand and respect strength; he's incapable of understanding and therefore respecting knowledge and intelligence.
I'd expect most gamers have personal knowledge of how jocks get respect even if he's dumb as a box of rocks, while highly intelligent nerds and geeks get harassed and bullied.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/25 01:10:33
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Eh... probably depends more on your particular circumstances. In college no one would dare to bully the smart ones, because it was "common" knowledge those guys and gals were going to be our bosses. Of course I acknowledge college is the definition of a pro-intellectualism population, so not the best universal sample. Going back to the media, depends on the media in question. Media meant for mass consumption (like the new Star Trek movies) will use such tropes to facilitate consumption: they are tropes for a reason. But on the other hand children animation tends to be much better written and makes intelligence a desirable trait, after all we want children to study. You cannot rely on tropes when it comes to kids.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/26 17:01:55
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Vulcan wrote: Matt Swain wrote: But that's part of the war on intelligence the media is waging. And yes, call is a conspiracy theory, but i believe there is a media war on intelligence in america.
This is not exactly new. The mad scientist cowardly hides behind his machines because he can't face the stalwart hero in face-to-face combat is merely the modern incarnation; in ages past it was the evil wizard. Knowledge and intelligence is demeaned; strength and physical prowess praised. That's why scientists get paid under $100K and teachers get paid even less, while professional athletes make millions to play games. The common man can understand and respect strength; he's incapable of understanding and therefore respecting knowledge and intelligence.
I'd expect most gamers have personal knowledge of how jocks get respect even if he's dumb as a box of rocks, while highly intelligent nerds and geeks get harassed and bullied.
In the 50's scientists were often respected as man's only hope to survive against the alien invader atomic mutant or other menace.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/26 17:50:23
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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The Professor pretty much single-handed my turned Gilligan’s Island into an industrial powerhouse and the 42nd largest economy in the world, attracting such luminaries as the Harlem Globetrotters, that famous band, The Mosquitos, Jamie Farr probably...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/26 22:01:13
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Vulcan wrote: Matt Swain wrote: But that's part of the war on intelligence the media is waging. And yes, call is a conspiracy theory, but i believe there is a media war on intelligence in america.
This is not exactly new. The mad scientist cowardly hides behind his machines because he can't face the stalwart hero in face-to-face combat is merely the modern incarnation; in ages past it was the evil wizard. Knowledge and intelligence is demeaned; strength and physical prowess praised. That's why scientists get paid under $100K and teachers get paid even less, while professional athletes make millions to play games. The common man can understand and respect strength; he's incapable of understanding and therefore respecting knowledge and intelligence.
I'd expect most gamers have personal knowledge of how jocks get respect even if he's dumb as a box of rocks, while highly intelligent nerds and geeks get harassed and bullied.
Lets be honest here though about Athletes, you have to start at a very young age to make it in even minor league sports. there is a cut off, I can, right now, never become a fottball player, but i can a teacher.
All are worthy of respect, but do not try to insult athletes and the work they do just to bring up teachers and scientists.
and Scientist is a very nebulous term. What is a scientist? what jobs are they doing? Research Assistant? Head Researcher? Where are they doing it? College? Private labs?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/27 02:04:10
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Fixture of Dakka
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Matt Swain wrote: Vulcan wrote: Matt Swain wrote: But that's part of the war on intelligence the media is waging. And yes, call is a conspiracy theory, but i believe there is a media war on intelligence in america.
This is not exactly new. The mad scientist cowardly hides behind his machines because he can't face the stalwart hero in face-to-face combat is merely the modern incarnation; in ages past it was the evil wizard. Knowledge and intelligence is demeaned; strength and physical prowess praised. That's why scientists get paid under $100K and teachers get paid even less, while professional athletes make millions to play games. The common man can understand and respect strength; he's incapable of understanding and therefore respecting knowledge and intelligence.
I'd expect most gamers have personal knowledge of how jocks get respect even if he's dumb as a box of rocks, while highly intelligent nerds and geeks get harassed and bullied.
In the 50's scientists were often respected as man's only hope to survive against the alien invader atomic mutant or other menace.
Yes, there was a brief shining moment where the scientist started to gain more respect. That ended pretty quickly and was well and truly over by the eighties.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/28 14:49:23
Subject: Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Battlefield Tourist
MN (Currently in WY)
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The Scientist was replaced as a "bright spark" figure by the Executive and Wall Street guy in the 80's.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/29 02:07:02
Subject: Re:Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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The Conquerer
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I think it has a lot to do with the trend for real self-proclaimed scientists to be incredibly insufferable buttmunches who look down on everyone else who isn't as "intelligent" as they are. Its particularly bad among the various celebrity scientists who have egos the size of whole galaxies.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/29 02:36:50
Subject: Re:Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Grey Templar wrote:I think it has a lot to do with the trend for real self-proclaimed scientists to be incredibly insufferable buttmunches who look down on everyone else who isn't as "intelligent" as they are. Its particularly bad among the various celebrity scientists who have egos the size of whole galaxies.
Pretty much. Just because you're recognized in your field doesn't mean you have charisma nor the interpersonal skills to have the tact to at least be publically/outwardly respectful to others. It's funny because the really smart scientists are the ones who realize how little they actually know in the grand scheme of things and are often made humble by their achievements/discoveries. It's only made worse now with social media being as prevalent as it is, and you can see how a lot of them even sell out to the latest fads/trends to stay relevant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/29 05:00:34
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Matt Swain wrote:In the 50's scientists were often respected as man's only hope to survive against the alien invader atomic mutant or other menace.
Just got done rewatching the original The Day the Earth Stood Still. Even there, in 1951, the scientist character says that scientists are all too often ignored.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/29 15:37:32
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In the 50's the Hero Scientist also often worked for the <gasp!> Government!
By the time of the 80's, that was double plus no good. The zeitgeist had moved on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/29 15:45:06
Subject: Re:Movies that were flat out ruined by a bad actor/character
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Grey Templar wrote:I think it has a lot to do with the trend for real self-proclaimed scientists to be incredibly insufferable buttmunches who look down on everyone else who isn't as "intelligent" as they are. Its particularly bad among the various celebrity scientists who have egos the size of whole galaxies.
Yeah, ghawd forbid we listen to intelligent educated people who have no 'charisma', let's let idiots and psychopaths lead us to disaster because they have charisma.
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