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Darn it some of you are just the sorts that would laugh at my friend - Biggus Dickus!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 The Warp Forge wrote:
Looks like we are getting Vampirates..

I'm really not sure how to feel about this as I wanted an expanded 'Blood Dragons' range..

Looks more like a Draugr than a Vampire of any kind. There's some zombie-styled stuff in the Advent Rumor Engine stuff.

Now Zompirates is something I can get behind!

 The Warp Forge wrote:
Looks like we are getting Vampirates..

I'm really not sure how to feel about this as I wanted an expanded 'Blood Dragons' range..

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I guess it ‘sort of’ looks piratey. Only in the jacket though to me..
Still could go either way (Though the rumour stuff seems more definite there).

I guess it could be some from the Underworlds possibly pirate warband.
Some from a possible ‘witch hunter vs’ type box


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


The "New Edition, New Models" video is 6 months old already and we still haven't seen anything from it revealed

We literally saw the Palatine revealed at the end of the video from "New Edition, New Models".
We saw the Death Guard character a few previews later.
Christmas Day saw the reveal of Lelith Hesperax.

The only ones not revealed in full are the Skitarii and Ork.

And isn’t the Skitarii the same or similar model from the new video.

I’m also not quite understanding people basing we are gonna have a light/terrible 2021 based on today’s tease.
As if we are getting just 7 models from that video for the next 6 months even if that was the time frame, plus prior revealed things.

I mean, maybe they still like to keep some stuff not even revealed till their preview specifically for it?
Ya know, one in March previewing all of the April stuff let’s say. And if it was teased April was Lumineth, would we thing they are just getting a single model?

And if all that pirate/zombie stuff is just Underworlds, which it could be, then we already know the slot for it.
So that’s many teases from here and rumour engine stuff all sorted with a release window.
There’s no could fill April-June with just a Knight, Lumineth, and the Witch Hunter etc.
If the knight is a Titan and Witch Hunter from a new boxed WH Quest or similar. Then are both outside of the AoS and 40k release for any given month. So there’s a lot more to fill the rest of those gaps which is left unknown (particularly when it’ll be back to weekly releases by then by all estimations, unless something else happens).

I’m also not quite understanding people basing we are gonna have a light/terrible 2021 based on today’s tease.
As if we are getting just 7 models from that video for the next 6 months even if that was the time frame, plus prior revealed things.

Not sure that's anyone's argument. I think people just expected a bit more from the preview than incomplete views of a handful of models + the one diorama.

But 2021 is also looking light, since we were supposed to get a xenos codex and the DA supplement on top of each other, and now everything has been pushed (due to a variety of factors) to stretch those two books (and DG) to one a month out to March. And there are _still_ most of the marine multipart kits to get through, and some leftover necrons.

Dunno about anyone else, but I've got a strong feel of 'get on with it' already, despite getting some of the delays.
The skitarri and ork characters have been on the fringes for an absurd amount of time now. Theoretically there will be new stuff too, but everything seems clogged and backlogged.

So reveal shows....interesting stuff AoS wise.

Initially I want to say Zompirates based off the chap with the Axe (who looks to be an Ogor sized Headman) and the 'Captain.'

But then, the GLARINGLY OBVIOUS Witchhunter they teased beforehand tells me that there HAS to be Vampires in the mix somewhere else the hammer and stakes are awfully redundant...

Also, the Lumineth bits beforehand.

Floaty Cloud Mage I don't care for.

The mounted chap....well, that's interesting. Mount it obviously bigger than normal mounts. A lot bigger. It has bling on it. Ornate bling. Rider has an elaborate cloak and fairly blingy armour.

It's Tyrion, isn't it?

It would be just like them to put Tyrion on a weird elf camel, to go with Teclis' weird elf sphinx and the weird elf cows.

Voss wrote:

Not sure that's anyone's argument. I think people just expected a bit more from the preview than incomplete views of a handful of models + the one diorama.

Honestly, I think people are overestimating how big these previews usually are. We've been kinda spoiled this year with the online previews compared to the usual event previews.

But 2021 is also looking light, since we were supposed to get a xenos codex and the DA supplement on top of each other, and now everything has been pushed (due to a variety of factors) to stretch those two books (and DG) to one a month out to March. And there are _still_ most of the marine multipart kits to get through, and some leftover necrons.

yukishiro1 wrote:
It would be just like them to put Tyrion on a weird elf camel, to go with Teclis' weird elf sphinx and the weird elf cows.

Would just show that their remembering of their 'golden age' may have been strongly influenced by recreational drugs rather than actual memories with how bizarre the Lumineth are turning out. Hopped up even higher than the slann who are literal frogs.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
There's 5 marine kits left: Bladeguard, Eradicators, Speeder, Heavy Intercessors, and the Gravis Captain.
Dark Angels was going to be the last book and slot all that stuff in.

Remember that it's less 'them stretching things out' and more 'stretching preorders out, period'. We start January 16th with Death Guard releases, then it's 14 days to the next set of preorders meaning our preorders going forward look like this:

January 16th--Death Guard
January 30th--???
February 13th--???
February 27th--???
March 13th---???
March 27th---???

The only thing we know, definitively, is that the Hedonites stuff will show up in February and there's Underworlds, Necromunda, and LOTR releases scattered throughout.

Thought Hedonites were late January?

I know the Underworlds Lizardmen are scheduled in for February. Underworlds Chaos Warriors are for January.

For Warhammer Age of Sigmar fans, you’ll see the next new battletome (and a bunch of incredible minis) drop in February. Trust us, this one’s a doozy – we’ll even give you a sneak peek on Christmas day!*

I'm not holding my breath on the Underworlds drops following the pre-Brexit schedule. They usually were released two at a time anyways, so pushing each back a month to do two packs would not be upsetting.

I highly doubt that mounted character is Tyrion in any regards. We're not even close to done with the Teclian side of things, as there's still the River and Wind temples to come and whatever form the Zenith will take(likely one off character model of some kind, since Zenith doesn't have a 'temple' or an 'avatar'). I definitely could see it being some kind of generic Vanari general though(something which is missing from the army right now). The mount reminds me more of a Gryph-Charger or something around that size--and it is worth noting that the Lumineth took great pains not to just slaughter beasts where possible. 90x52mm base would make it a 'big' critter but not monster sized.

Further musings:
Tyrion's blind now. Not like "Oh, he's still a super skilled swordsman with a cloth wrapped around his eyes" blind. Eyes melted out of his sockets blind. The story is actually really interesting as it ties to how Teclis came back--the spirit of the Realm's Edge, that brilliant light at the edge of Hysh itself, took an interest in Tyrion being the only mortal ever to have made it that far. They found some kind of common cause and Tyrion "has no memory of the encounter", but upon reawakening Teclis was returned to a mortal form.

Tyrion's also had the strategist side of things played up more than anything else. I would not be shocked if he gets a Katakros styled 'retinue+hero' model and whatever this mounted hero turns out to be is more one of the 'champions of the Vanari' that got mentioned.

At least 2 Lumineth models there, I assume these are going to be coming with their broken realms supplement sometime.

The Slaanesh Release is Rad, and really fills out the Hedonite book. I'm excited to get a hold of the book and check it out.

Also, what I'm guessing is a new titan, the Skitari Primus from the previous video, a Vampire/Witch hunter and some Orruk with an axe.

The Witch Hunter continues to have me more excited than anything released in recent years, despite the fact that my current projects consist of numerous things released in recent years. Shouldn't be too long until we finally learn more about what it's for now.

It's a disappointing preview, but I can also understand why they aren't teasing stuff they aren't going to be able to release for a long time. Covid has legitimately screwed up their ability to meet demand even on the reduced schedule. If they could make and sell plastic fast enough I have no doubt they would be doing so. The fact that even GW isn't greedy enough to try to push out multiple releases on the old schedule must indicate it knows it can't manage it. It's better they wait to release stuff than we get another Indomitus debacle where demand far exceeds supply and they "release" a bunch of new models nobody can actually get except through Ebay scalpers.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
The Witch Hunter continues to have me more excited than anything released in recent years, despite the fact that my current projects consist of numerous things released in recent years. Shouldn't be too long until we finally learn more about what it's for now.

The more I've seen of it, the more I'm assuming WarCry and an Order of Azyr warband. Wooden stakes might feel very 'vampirey', but they also feel very 'put the witch on display' too. Some of the old fairy/folk tales from Europe apparently had mention of holy wooden stakes for dealing with witches too.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
The Witch Hunter continues to have me more excited than anything released in recent years, despite the fact that my current projects consist of numerous things released in recent years. Shouldn't be too long until we finally learn more about what it's for now.

The more I've seen of it, the more I'm assuming WarCry and an Order of Azyr warband. Wooden stakes might feel very 'vampirey', but they also feel very 'put the witch on display' too. Some of the old fairy/folk tales from Europe apparently had mention of holy wooden stakes for dealing with witches too.

There's something about the Vampire Hunter pose and the outlined pose of the Vampire Underworlds war band which look very similar- almost mirroring each other . I think they are both female too- the Huntress and the Vamp.
war cry or quest would suit me- they look like great models to paint up with out a full faction release around them. A quest Death and Hunters release would also open up the possibility of a follow up Vampire faction in AOS proper.
The Lumineth could well be a small update along with Broken realms, I thought Tyrion for the rider initially, but might just be a hero.

Well that was disappointing.
I was hoping we would get something concrete but nope. Just something for a coded we know it coming.
C'mon GW atleast tell us what that stuff is.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
The Witch Hunter continues to have me more excited than anything released in recent years, despite the fact that my current projects consist of numerous things released in recent years. Shouldn't be too long until we finally learn more about what it's for now.

The more I've seen of it, the more I'm assuming WarCry and an Order of Azyr warband. Wooden stakes might feel very 'vampirey', but they also feel very 'put the witch on display' too. Some of the old fairy/folk tales from Europe apparently had mention of holy wooden stakes for dealing with witches too.

Oh, yeah, I'm just calling it a Witch Hunter as that's what they were called in the old Empire, even when they very much also hunted vampires and whatever unholy other things blighted the land. The first CL Werner Witch Hunter book even focussed on undead. Stakes are definitely an anti-vampire thing overall, and they may well oppose those in any of the smaller skirmish games, or even Warhammer Quest. I'd honestly be happy with just a single cool model anyway, but since a Witch Hunter really wouldn't fit with anything else at the moment, there is bound to be more.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Well that was disappointing.
I was hoping we would get something concrete but nope. Just something for a coded we know it coming.
C'mon GW atleast tell us what that stuff is.

Normally I'd agree, another nothing preview, but since I like AT a lot, and we've got confirmation of a new Titan (not yet another Knight) coming soon, I already got more from this preview than I got from all of Christmas day and advent calendar combined.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I've been waiting for the Skitarii character for awhile but some of the "I wants it now!" is getting irksome with regards to these previews. People hype themselves up and then get upset their hypes don't come true.

Yes, yes, it is of course completely irrational for people to expect models previewed 3+ months ago to actually come out at some point.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Oh, yeah, I'm just calling it a Witch Hunter as that's what they were called in the old Empire, even when they very much also hunted vampires and whatever unholy other things blighted the land. The first CL Werner Witch Hunter book even focussed on undead. Stakes are definitely an anti-vampire thing overall, and they may well oppose those in any of the smaller skirmish games, or even Warhammer Quest. I'd honestly be happy with just a single cool model anyway, but since a Witch Hunter really wouldn't fit with anything else at the moment, there is bound to be more.

The reason I mention Order Azyr is that it seems to be the evolution of the 'Witch Hunter' concept from WHFB crossing a bit with the Inquisition from 40k.

There does not really seem to be a name for the individuals who make it up, outside of their actual names. It consists of Elf, Duardin, and Human members. They seem to fulfill a similar role to the Witch Hunters from the Empire lore of old(hunting witches, undead, monsters, etc) but with an element of Inquisition to them in that they also go after much larger threats to regional security not just a city or a village. The big thing though is that they're sworn to Sigmar over anything else.

The reason I think of it for WarCry over anything else? It would be a good place to debut something like that. Traditional 'witch hunter' styled humans with some Duardin 'engineers' and warriors and Elf scouts/rangers/assassins and maybe some hunting beasts of some kind would be an interesting warband and fill a role similar to that of the Shadowstalkers that we have for the Daughters of Khaine as an 'elite' warband.


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Voss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I've been waiting for the Skitarii character for awhile but some of the "I wants it now!" is getting irksome with regards to these previews. People hype themselves up and then get upset their hypes don't come true.

Yes, yes, it is of course completely irrational for people to expect models previewed 3+ months ago to actually come out at some point.

The Death Guard guy was supposed to be out in December. Drukhari were coming in January, which means Lelith Hesperax and the Palatine would have dropped then too.

So that would have been 3/5 characters done within two months.
July 25th. That's when the preview video I linked went up. It took longer than that to get the Manipulus as a solo release or for the stuff accompanying Engine War(which were previewed in November of 2019) to release.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Well that was disappointing.
I was hoping we would get something concrete but nope. Just something for a coded we know it coming.
C'mon GW atleast tell us what that stuff is.

We didn't know lumineth would be　coming this fast. Without exception to them expectation would be more like 2023 earliest.

Love the gw previews. Or rather inevitable whining on dakkadakka after. Keep it up!


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:


The mounted chap....well, that's interesting. Mount it obviously bigger than normal mounts. A lot bigger. It has bling on it. Ornate bling. Rider has an elaborate cloak and fairly blingy armour.

It's Tyrion, isn't it?

Would be rather plain looking　god. More　likely mounted archers that have been mentioned by gw

Or it could just be the Deepmare of the Realmlords. Just a fancy mount for a named character and/or a generic hero option

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Oh, yeah, I'm just calling it a Witch Hunter as that's what they were called in the old Empire, even when they very much also hunted vampires and whatever unholy other things blighted the land. The first CL Werner Witch Hunter book even focussed on undead. Stakes are definitely an anti-vampire thing overall, and they may well oppose those in any of the smaller skirmish games, or even Warhammer Quest. I'd honestly be happy with just a single cool model anyway, but since a Witch Hunter really wouldn't fit with anything else at the moment, there is bound to be more.

The reason I mention Order Azyr is that it seems to be the evolution of the 'Witch Hunter' concept from WHFB crossing a bit with the Inquisition from 40k.

There does not really seem to be a name for the individuals who make it up, outside of their actual names. It consists of Elf, Duardin, and Human members. They seem to fulfill a similar role to the Witch Hunters from the Empire lore of old(hunting witches, undead, monsters, etc) but with an element of Inquisition to them in that they also go after much larger threats to regional security not just a city or a village. The big thing though is that they're sworn to Sigmar over anything else.

The reason I think of it for WarCry over anything else? It would be a good place to debut something like that. Traditional 'witch hunter' styled humans with some Duardin 'engineers' and warriors and Elf scouts/rangers/assassins and maybe some hunting beasts of some kind would be an interesting warband and fill a role similar to that of the Shadowstalkers that we have for the Daughters of Khaine as an 'elite' warband.

I think Warcry would be awesome place for an Order of Azyr Warband and I would be super excited to get one. The idea of an army of Witch/Vampire Hunters and their variety of minions is pretty neat, but generally such organizations tend to operate on a smaller basis to keep a bit more convert, and as such a Warcry band would be a perfect fit. Warhammer Quest could be an option too I suppose, but I feel Warcry might be more likely considering some of the other "Witch Hunter"-esque rumor mill previews we have seen, it makes me think there may be a few more models dressed in a similar style. They almost definitely won't be an Underworlds band, as those are all accounted for this year essentially (I suppose the Vampire looking symbol could be Vampire Hunters......would be a bit strange though).

I think it would be pretty cool if GW put out a Warcry "Battle Box" with the new Order of Azyr warband and a Vampire/Undead one. They could include a pamphlet with a couple campaigns for each faction with convergences and artifacts and what not. Maybe have a few narrative scenarios where the factions face off against each other also. If they wanted to be really cool they could include the stripped down rules with 3 or 4 battle plans and price the box around the price of a start collecting so new players could have a cheaper entry point into the game (though they would have to use household items for terrain to begin with) and experience players with terrain collections could give the game a try without such a big investment.

Also, while the Underworlds bands could be pushed back, I wouldn't be that surprised in the January and February warbands make it on time. Direchasm was originally supposed to be out in September and if that were the case the first warbands normally would have been released in October or November. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have everything ready for them, but have just trying to find appropriate time slots in the release schedule.

I'm hoping there's multiple heads for the Witch Hunter. One for a younger head and one for an older Gentleman.

 Kanluwen wrote:

For Warhammer Age of Sigmar fans, you’ll see the next new battletome (and a bunch of incredible minis) drop in February. Trust us, this one’s a doozy – we’ll even give you a sneak peek on Christmas day!*

I'm not holding my breath on the Underworlds drops following the pre-Brexit schedule. They usually were released two at a time anyways, so pushing each back a month to do two packs would not be upsetting.
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Though arguably they never mentioned those changing.
So it could be that they will carry on as normal. Just at the same time as other releases, which has been done before.

Only two releases in Jan.
One 40k drop. DG.
One “other” which will be Underworlds and anything else for Jan.
Feb has Hedonites, big release.
And DA, likely with all the marine stuff with it.
Then easily could add a single Underworlds band at the same time (then you still have something fantasy based on that release).

March is back to normal, so 40k release week with Codex.
I’d imagine the next Forgotten Realms is then.
A week for Underworlds. Plus something from below maybe.
Then another spare for BB, AT, Necromunda, maybe a two week 40k release depending what’s coming with it. Or week one of March second wave of Febs Hedonite stuff, if it is that big..

Looks like you can spot a shield held by the Lumineth rider, which I think lends support to the proposal that this is a general/champion model akin to the Idoneth king on deepmare, especially given the fancy-looking cloak billowing out behind.

The mounted archer theory could still pan out if they're going for a cataphract-like heavy unit rather than light cavalry - I could see the bow slung over the shoulder or saddle while the soldier is portrayed armed for the charge. It's hard in any case to discount the lore paragraph specifically calling out cloud-surfers and beast-riding archers together, and then getting a glimpse of a cloud surfboard and a ridden beast simultaneously.

In conclusion, it's probably an entirely different third thing.

JWBS wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Well that was disappointing.
I was hoping we would get something concrete but nope. Just something for a coded we know it coming.
C'mon GW atleast tell us what that stuff is.

Normally I'd agree, another nothing preview, but since I like AT a lot, and we've got confirmation of a new Titan (not yet another Knight) coming soon, I already got more from this preview than I got from all of Christmas day and advent calendar combined.

Agreed.

Only thing is that Slaanesh has been the hot potato of three previews now, and while I'm happy for those players( I guess they have been waiting a while? ) it was annoying to see it once again being all we have to look at. Even if it hadn't been the new AT Titan, I would have preferred to have seen something else for a change.

Considering the last 2 duel boxes with Slaanesh never sold out it might be that GW is trying to push Slaanesh harder in marketing. Granted one of those sets was split with Khorne and produced in larger numbers for AoS and 40K and the other is only two new models (one for DoK and one for slaanesh).

Also as someone who has taken advantage of those slower sales speeds to my own gain in getting what I want when I can afford it I can't honestly complain (if anything the sales rate of them has been great for me as if they'd sold out release week I'd be missing several sets of stuff that I currently have)

 Overread wrote:
Considering the last 2 duel boxes with Slaanesh never sold out it might be that GW is trying to push Slaanesh harder in marketing. Granted one of those sets was split with Khorne and produced in larger numbers for AoS and 40K and the other is only two new models (one for DoK and one for slaanesh).

Also as someone who has taken advantage of those slower sales speeds to my own gain in getting what I want when I can afford it I can't honestly complain (if anything the sales rate of them has been great for me as if they'd sold out release week I'd be missing several sets of stuff that I currently have)

To be fair, I don't think there was much enticing people to the slaanesh half side of the box, save the new characters. The DoK side of Pain and Pleasure was what people were after, since they were better models (and more expensive separately.)

I imagine that a boxset involving the newer Hedonites would do very well, especially if the other half of the set wasn't strictly models that existed before AOS.

 Overread wrote:
Considering the last 2 duel boxes with Slaanesh never sold out it might be that GW is trying to push Slaanesh harder in marketing. Granted one of those sets was split with Khorne and produced in larger numbers for AoS and 40K and the other is only two new models (one for DoK and one for slaanesh).

Also as someone who has taken advantage of those slower sales speeds to my own gain in getting what I want when I can afford it I can't honestly complain (if anything the sales rate of them has been great for me as if they'd sold out release week I'd be missing several sets of stuff that I currently have)

Shadow and pain did sell out, just not in the same weekend. I want to say I remember reading something about how after looncurse they had planned to up the amount of these boxes, which I think has been true since the OBR, Tzeentch and Shadow and pain did not sell out in a single weekend.

 Overread wrote:
Considering the last 2 duel boxes with Slaanesh never sold out it might be that GW is trying to push Slaanesh harder in marketing.

They might have to make up their minds what slaanesh is about for that to work. Over the last several years, they've been all over the place. How hard it is to remember that s/he's the god of Sex Drugs and Rock&Roll?


Yet this seems to be a severe issue as they try to make a Family Friendly Warhammer using a setting best known for armies of not-Cenobites rampaging across space doing unkind things to people's backsides as a warm up for the *real* fun.