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Opinions seem divided about the new Lelith Hesperax model. Why not put it to a vote!

It is missing the vote that I consider the correct answer: Both.

Neither, both are bad

Eldarsif wrote:It is missing the vote that I consider the correct answer: Both.

Both bad or both good?

Tiberias wrote:Neither, both are bad

They are very similar so I can see why you would dislike or like both.

I can't get excited by either tacticool rock, never mind the random standard elf on it.

'Generic' is the only thing that comes to mind.

I love both.

IMHO the old lelith is the best 40k model ever released along with previous Ghaz so my vote is for the classic miniature.

But the new model is awesome, far above modern GW standards, which to be honest I'm not very fond of.

I'm also happy that her size is comparable to regular drukhari infantries, as it should be, not the typical ugly centerpiece huge model that GW seems to love to release these days.

I wasn't fond of the old Lelith (which is still 'new' to me, as I started back in 3rd), but this new-new one is objectively worse.

Her hair got bigger but somehow also became less detailed. She's gotten weirdly thicc, especially for a character who's supposed to be a slim beauty. And her face feels very "hateful / angry berzerker" when she's supposed to be calm-and-collected in combat, even to the point of disdainful.

So for me, personally, neither. But I have to pick one, definitely not the newest one.

Voted for new but I will say the dark shading around the lips aren't doing the model any favours.

It just makes her look like she's sick and on the verge of collapsing.

Edit: Also the skin tone on the new model just seems weird in comparison to the old, not sure if I'm feeling it either....

Methinks this Poll could be improved a bit

1) Old Lilith (Finecast)
2) Old Lilith (Plastic)
3) New Lilith (Plastic)
4) New Lilith (Finecast)
5) Both
6) Neither

And before some intrepid Internet Warrior mentions it .... Yeah I am aware that the "Old" Lilith isn't available in Plastic. And the New one isn't available in Finecast.

Voted old.

I don’t dislike the new one, and being plastic is a major perk. Would not kick her off the paintbench.

But I prefer the pose and flow of the old sculpt.

That's a lot of hair!

Honestly I like it, but maaan that face is ugly

 Grimoir wrote:
Methinks this Poll could be improved a bit

1) Old Lilith (Finecast)
2) Old Lilith (Plastic)
3) New Lilith (Plastic)
4) New Lilith (Finecast)
5) Both
6) Neither

Except one was never in plastic and the other never in Finecrap.

For me, it's Lilith Version 2 (IOW the one on the left, she had a model before that one) in metal.

I think I prefer new Lilith, though I prefer old Lilith’s face.
And plastic is a much nicer medium to work with.

The big hair is more true to the art IMO, it was that long even in the original 3rd Ed portrait. I suspect it being so much smaller before is just a limitation of the original metal.

And both are better than original Lilith! (Though that was still a classic and one of the better models of the range).

I definitely prefer the old one, though the new one is impressive for being made from plastic.

Unfortunately old Lelith is finecast, so you would probably never get a model of the same quality as the image above if you paid for it, so for consistency the new one is gonna be better.

For those interested in her original model:

Personally i like the one above, metal and all. of the two in the op, the first one. I don;t see why they make her barefoot instead of giving her heels. As it just scatter some caltrops around and watch her 'dance".

No caltrops? legos and D4's will do just fine.

I don't understand why they felt it necessary to revamp the perfectly fine Version 2 with an almost identical Version 3 instead of doing the other Dark Eldar chars. It's not like there is a lack of them in the lore.


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 Matt Swain wrote:
Personally i like the one above, metal and all. of the two in the op, the first one. I don;t see why they make her barefoot instead of giving her heels.

I like the barefoot version better. It's more evocative of gladiatorial fights.

 morganfreeman wrote:
I wasn't fond of the old Lelith (which is still 'new' to me, as I started back in 3rd), but this new-new one is objectively worse.

Her hair got bigger but somehow also became less detailed. She's gotten weirdly thicc,
.

You know why.

Blah blah unhealthy image blah blah unrealistic standard blah blah women are not barbie dolls blah blah.

Of course we never see any space marines with realistic bodies...

Both have their merits, but new one is too similar to old to make the "upgrade" necessary.
Both are decent.

She needed an upgrade to plastic like every other finecast model. Not due to being a bad sculpt.

I’d rather see them chip away at the old finecast range and re-do them in plastic then inventing new stuff or dropping it from the codex.

Considering how limited the Dark Eldar range is, why not both?

Besides the obvious answer of design team work load.

 bullyboy wrote:
Both have their merits, but new one is too similar to old to make the "upgrade" necessary.
Both are decent.

I disagree, upgrades like this are exactly what I consider necessary. Old lelith was a finecrap model, and finecrap MUST be replaced as soon as possible. And hopefully without upgrading a standard infantry model to a huge monster or a diorama. Metal models need upgraded versions as well.

It's things like any of the primaris marines that weren't completely unnecessary, SM already had a wide roster of plastic kits. Or the new necron warriors maybe as the old ones were perfectly fine.


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 Charistoph wrote:
Considering how limited the Dark Eldar range is, why not both?

Because she's a named character, you can only field one model. If she was a generic HQ like a succubus then yeah, why not both?

Voted new because I prefer plastic and because I think new one paintjob and photos are not as good as they could be.

 Blackie wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Both have their merits, but new one is too similar to old to make the "upgrade" necessary.
Both are decent.

I disagree, upgrades like this are exactly what I consider necessary. Old lelith was a finecrap model, and finecrap MUST be replaced as soon as possible. And hopefully without upgrading a standard infantry model to a huge monster or a diorama. Metal models need upgraded versions as well.

It's things like any of the primaris marines that weren't completely unnecessary, SM already had a wide roster of plastic kits. Or the new necron warriors maybe as the old ones were perfectly fine.

I don't agree with Blackie too often, but here I do.

That photo of the Finecast model is like the idealized picture of the food outside a restaurant. The chances of you getting that good-looking of a model without an exorbitant amount of work and painting trickery isn't there. The plastic one, on the other hand, is likely much, much easier to get closer to the advertised photo. Especially, if you have intermediate or less painting skills. That alone makes it worth it to me, and why I want to see all Finecast purged in holy fire.

I actually like the old one better, at least in the face. Admittedly it might just be the paint job - the old face is painted very well (IMHO)

The hair on the new one bugs me - there are some really large areas of it with no detail or "strands" of hair sculpted in which makes it not look very much like hair at all.

The new one gives eldar players two models at the cost of one, so the new one should be better.

I'll go with new Lelith, please Ohman.

That said, I'd also consider kitbashing a Succubus rather than pursue the battle set or wait for the individual release.

No doubt the new Lelith will cost £25 so it might be worth picking up the current finecast Lelith at £15, if you can.

I prefer "old". "New" is not radically different, but I prefer the former's face.

I still have a soft spot for the original metal Lelith, but the newer models ARE better.

Karol wrote:
The new one gives eldar players two models at the cost of one, so the new one should be better.

New Guardians confirmed!

Karol wrote:
The new one gives eldar players two models at the cost of one, so the new one should be better.

what?