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Karol wrote:

yukishiro1 794881 11015173 wrote:

That, or she just can't find any shoes in size "hobbit."

If she does a lot of fighting in the area on gravel, then her feet should be rough and cracked like wooden bark. Don't really need shoes with feet like that.

I honestly don't know why you keep applying human physiology to a fictitious alien species...

I have seen people on "both sides" (Oh god) of the "she was sexualised before and that was awesome" and "she was sexualised before and that is terrible"

But like...

Aren't both of those models sexualised, and she is just chunkier because it is harder to do skinny models in plastic?

There is a difference between "needless" sexualisation and sexualisation as part of the character and lore of a fictional character.

Lelith very much fits into the latter, since one of the major aspects of her character was her beauty, being an un-scarred Succubus with fighting prowess in the top percentage of Rattata arena fighters. "Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young" and all that. I appreciate that GW are stuck between a rock and a hard place, but not sticking to their guns is going to just piss off everyone, since the ones clamouring for GW to capitulate won't ever be happy.

Now, whether this was a conscious decision, a limitation of injection moulding technology, or simply because a change of corporate culture has caused the over-all talent level to drop with their sculptors, we'll never know.

I am not really commenting on sexualisation, it seems obvious to me that she is sexualised and like, whatever no big deal really. But saying the new one is not sexualised is what is weird to me because she looks really, really similar.

It's not a technological issue with plastic; it's just a poor effort from GW. The new Lileth's expression looked familiar...

I can't seem to load any pictures of Gollum sneering, but you get the idea.

Just throw in some steroids and a wig and you're all set.

 Bosskelot wrote:
People tend to forget that Eldar are fething JACKED

No they aren't, lmao. What? Eldar universally have dancers' bodies. They have muscle, but it's lean, purely functional muscle. Eldar have never been "jacked"- ever. The biggest an Eldar should ever look is a swimmers' body. Long torsos, densely packed muscle but very lean.

Da Boss wrote:I am not really commenting on sexualisation, it seems obvious to me that she is sexualised and like, whatever no big deal really. But saying the new one is not sexualised is what is weird to me because she looks really, really similar.

Agreed. Aside from a change from a battle-thong to something slightly more practical, bigger hair, and a leering face (the face is fine, just have her not snarling, and we're golden), I really don't see all that much of a difference. She still looks lithe to me, and still has that "impractical gladiatrix" vibe.

For all the people saying "she's fat!", I really ain't seeing it.

 Bosskelot wrote:
The amount of muscles are fine,

It's not, she looks like a dwarf, which would be fine if she was a dwarf but she's a dark eldar.

and the "squat" appearance is just the perspective of the photo.

Yet she looks squat in all of the angles I've seen of the model.

People tend to forget that Eldar are fething JACKED, 7 foot tall murder machines made of nothing but muscle. Old Lelith is rockin' a mighty set of abs.

Can you provide a single source stating that Eldar are "jacked"? Because every source I've ever seen indicates they are in fact proportionately more slender than humans.

Where the sculpt falls apart is the right arm and the face. The face mainly because it doesn't fit her character in the slightest. The thing that sets Lelith apart is her completely stoic, calm and confident demeanour and that face sculpt does not capture that in the slightest. The right arm just looks unnatural and doesn't fit in with the rest of the pose and sets the entire silhouette and flow of the model off. I could actually deal with the face and overall model otherwise, but that right arm positioning actually ruins it.

You forgot her huge clown foot.

Crispy78 wrote:
The new Ragnar didn't have a pot belly because he's overdone the feasting back at The Fang. That would be silly.

That's because Ragnar is... [puts on sunglasses] hungry like the wolf. YEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!

Now that's silly.

Maybe it is the perspective but she just gets worse the more I look. The huge torso, the fat roll abs, and big hair make a husky dome of an elf. Even the knives look too thick. I will be fair with gw though, at least I can tell this one is a woman unlike the inquisitor.

All you need to do is compare this to Yvraine and the issues will become apparent.

It looks bad, the new one looks bad.

I cannot like any model that is supposed to engage in melee yet leaves that much of their abdomen unarmored and has hair that would just get in their way.

Rumbleguts wrote:
I cannot like any model that is supposed to engage in melee yet leaves that much of their abdomen unarmored and has hair that would just get in their way.

The whole point is that she is doing this as a sort of handicap, just like why she only wields two normal knives. Winning in spite of these handicaps is a way to flaunt how good she is, and is what gets her the crowd in Comorragh.

Iracundus wrote:

Rumbleguts wrote:
I cannot like any model that is supposed to engage in melee yet leaves that much of their abdomen unarmored and has hair that would just get in their way.

The whole point is that she is doing this as a sort of handicap, just like why she only wields two normal knives. Winning in spite of these handicaps is a way to flaunt how good she is, and is what gets her the crowd in Comorragh.

You would think people would read the thread before commenting on something that has been pointed out several times already.

But no...

 Grimtuff wrote:


I honestly don't know why you keep applying human physiology to a fictitious alien species...

Because unless she wears shoes out of force field, if she has feet made of flesh, and from the few lore blurbs about eldar I read this seems to be the case, running around rough terrain would make her souls rough and cracked.

Not sure how to tell you this, but the Escher models more than likely *are* junkies. And, hot damn, having waists as wide as your hips makes you a steroid junkie? Exactly the kind of bodyshaming trash I'm talking about.

See, you might think that you're "just talking about models", but you're saying that, in order to "pass" as a woman, you need slender waists. I'm sure you don't hold that opinion about real people, no? So why bring it up about models?

Gut blow out are really common if you use enhancers. And practical everyone in sports tries to have diagnoses diabetes and asthma. If those esters, which I have not seen the models of, are shaped like a block, and have a high chance of being supplement users and live in an underhive enviroment, which eliminates the chance of them to be just fat, then probably are taking anabolics of some sort. I know the big dude gang does it on a daily basis, like our local shark club members.

To quote you, you claimed they needed to be "beautiful". Why?

Don't the convents, not just for sobs, pick based on racial purity? you can't be even a little bit in to the mutant sphere of human race, can't be psyker, can't have any defects and in top physical shape. All those things generate symetry, and symetry is considered beautiful since for ever. being far from being symetric implies disease, lacks of nutrition durning growth, which often is linked to lower social status etc So SoB have to be beautiful, their training methods, ways of picking new candidates, better diet and constant training ensures that.




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 Void__Dragon wrote:


Can you provide a single source stating that Eldar are "jacked"? Because every source I've ever seen indicates they are in fact proportionately more slender than humans.

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There is a xenobilogy book, that shows an autopsy of an eldar, and mentions that eldar have 0% body fat. now humans can get close to that, but it requires dyhydrations and you are actualy not healthy keeping it up for longer then an event time. And it is practicaly only something body builders do. People that do sports, specialy contact sports, only drop weights to play the pre game game with weighting. So look wise if an eldar could operate at a 0% or close to that body fat, he or she would look really jacked. And eldar muscles seems to be far superior to normal human ones too, much like the ones of orcs. Which is no wonder considering both were made by the same creators.

Who in their right mind would call something with such a physique "fat".

A crossfitter, weightlifter or someone in gymnastics. She actualy has too much muscle for pole vault or long distance running. But for short 100-200m dash she has the perfect physics. Look at Marion Johns, aside for colour, they look very much the same. With the stocky muscular build, that works so well in those kind of sports.

I found the old version a bit uninteresting, and I refused to buy it cos finecast. The new version is unambitious, and has the same ropey, detail-light hair that the Drazhar model does.

I hope that the stockier look of the new model is just the angle of the photo, but it currently appears to be an inferior model to the regular plastic Succubus. I am really grateful that the Drukhari troop models were updated some time ago.

Karol wrote:

To quote you, you claimed they needed to be "beautiful". Why?

Don't the convents, not just for sobs, pick based on racial purity? you can't be even a little bit in to the mutant sphere of human race, can't be psyker, can't have any defects and in top physical shape. All those things generate symetry, and symetry is considered beautiful since for ever. being far from being symetric implies disease, lacks of nutrition durning growth, which often is linked to lower social status etc So SoB have to be beautiful, their training methods, ways of picking new candidates, better diet and constant training ensures that.

Not really. First, ideological purity is the primary concern of the Imperium, especially within the Schola - not aesthetic purity. Second, these are *battle nuns*. Experienced and fanatic warriors - I'd be worried if they weren't scarred and well-built instead of stereotypically "beautiful".

So, nah, beauty isn't really the hallmark of the Sororitas, as they find beauty to be more linked to their faith and service. Aesthetic isn't exactly a high priority, which is why the idea of Sisters needing to look "beautiful" to Morkphoiz is so incredibly misplaced, as why on earth do they need to look stereotypically "beautiful"?

Yeah, for all the little niggles about the sculpt, posing and (probably) high-contrast painting style used on the new one... she's not Finecast and thus a model I'll actually *buy*

Erring towards the old over the new for now, although a different paintjob and a 360 might change my mind. Main concern is the face.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Erring towards the old over the new for now, although a different paintjob and a 360 might change my mind. Main concern is the face.

you could order the head from the Kalinda Venoramus made by wArtel. has both a nice looking face and the proper hair, which is a lot better looking.


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Not really. First, ideological purity is the primary concern of the Imperium, especially within the Schola - not aesthetic purity. Second, these are *battle nuns*. Experienced and fanatic warriors - I'd be worried if they weren't scarred and well-built instead of stereotypically "beautiful".

So, nah, beauty isn't really the hallmark of the Sororitas, as they find beauty to be more linked to their faith and service. Aesthetic isn't exactly a high priority, which is why the idea of Sisters needing to look "beautiful" to Morkphoiz is so incredibly misplaced, as why on earth do they need to look stereotypically "beautiful"?

they a sociaty build on the very idea of xeno hatred. They litteraly "can not suffer the mutant to live" , unless there is a high lords or emperors decree to "not kill this specific mutant".

And yes they are battle nuns and female. You would be suprised what happens to humans, which you cherry pick them at a young age from a specific pool of children, then give them good diet, a training regime. They somehow end up being more fit, with fewer health problems, mostly because having them kicks you out of the program etc. And you know what fit and healthy humans are? they are beutiful, because body symetry is something all biologicial things look for. A cannones or a training superior doesn't have to pick convent candidates based on beauty ( specialy consideirng most schola entries would be early or even pre teens), they pick for health and good base. Beauty comes on its own.

The issue with the face is similar to that of the Banshee Exarch, which Gareth Nicholas presented a more feminine paint job to great effect...

https://garethnicholasblog.wordpress.com/2020/01/06/howling-banshee-exarch/

...which is in contrast to the GW paint job...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/d1sykk/new_ynnari_banshee_exarch/

SamusDrake wrote:
The issue with the face is similar to that of the Banshee Exarch, which Gareth Nicholas presented a more feminine paint job to great effect...

https://garethnicholasblog.wordpress.com/2020/01/06/howling-banshee-exarch/

...which is in contrast to the GW paint job...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/d1sykk/new_ynnari_banshee_exarch/

The difference is staggering. Cannot wait to see what other people manage to do with Lelith.

Absolutely. It convinced me to get the new banshees and even use the Ynnari heads, which I previously had no love for and the kit is notoriously expensive.

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SamusDrake wrote:
The issue with the face is similar to that of the Banshee Exarch, which Gareth Nicholas presented a more feminine paint job to great effect...

https://garethnicholasblog.wordpress.com/2020/01/06/howling-banshee-exarch/

...which is in contrast to the GW paint job...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/d1sykk/new_ynnari_banshee_exarch/

yeah, the reason GW paintjobs make all female faces look male is that they over define the brow and nasolabial folds.
With the new lelith they went too far with every single muscle group, which makes her look like a jacked catachan.

Foot, calves, hair, and face. All of these areas appear out of proportion. I viewed the multiple angles of the model and it just seems to miss the mark. Maybe more skilled paintwork will help.

SamusDrake wrote:
The issue with the face is similar to that of the Banshee Exarch, which Gareth Nicholas presented a more feminine paint job to great effect...

https://garethnicholasblog.wordpress.com/2020/01/06/howling-banshee-exarch/

...which is in contrast to the GW paint job...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/d1sykk/new_ynnari_banshee_exarch/

Wow. That is an amazing paint job. The GW paint job does make it look like a male model while Gareth's job makes it obviously female. I also look forward to what a non-Heavy Metal paint job does to this model.

Proportions will probably remain an issue. Take Yvraine and the dark elf SoS as an example of lithe arena fighters. GW can do this properly, so the question remains why they thought Lelith should look like an MMA fighter instead. It's baffling, really.

 BertBert wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
The issue with the face is similar to that of the Banshee Exarch, which Gareth Nicholas presented a more feminine paint job to great effect...

https://garethnicholasblog.wordpress.com/2020/01/06/howling-banshee-exarch/

...which is in contrast to the GW paint job...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/d1sykk/new_ynnari_banshee_exarch/

The difference is staggering. Cannot wait to see what other people manage to do with Lelith.

Ditto. I like the GW paint job on that model, but Gareth's blows it out of the water. I feel like the 'Eavy Metal team is trying to... overcompensate? And paint in more dramatic detail than is actually there. Maybe they have just painted so much for so long their perspective is metaphorically jaded.