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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Canoness also isn't available anywhere outside of that long-OOP box, so that's nice.

Looks like it's the whole box. I see the penitent engine, arco flagellants, etc. Part of me is jealous that the unique sculpts will be waaaay more common now (at least in the UK), but it is nice that people can get some models outside the crazy expensive set. Plus now I can hopefully pick up a second canoness, in case I butcher the first one

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Canoness also isn't available anywhere outside of that long-OOP box, so that's nice.

All the minis in the starter boxset were unique to that product, at least until now.

Canoness will be an issue to herself and there is no need to buy more than one, she has a fixed wargear loadout, her main advantage is having a different body pose and dress to the canoness boxset model. Again if you want three use the Repentia Superior model and convert her, that models pose is very good, and she is easy to convert as her arms are splayed out lashing whips. Easy convert, just cut at the wrist and remove the tip of one whip from her robe, which is an easy file job. Voila three very different canoness models, though this best assumes you have the canoness boxset for the extra wargear options.

 Orlanth wrote:
All the minis in the starter boxset were unique to that product, at least until now.

I'm aware of that, but a push-fit Sister with a Bolter and a multi-part Sister with a Bolter isn't much of a difference. The Canoness was a unique HQ miniature. That's what makes her interesting/desirable as a mini.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Canoness also isn't available anywhere outside of that long-OOP box, so that's nice.

Looks like it's the whole box. I see the penitent engine, arco flagellants, etc. Part of me is jealous that the unique sculpts will be waaaay more common now (at least in the UK), but it is nice that people can get some models outside the crazy expensive set. Plus now I can hopefully pick up a second canoness, in case I butcher the first one

Not necessarily more common. First there will be scalpers clearing out the issues from Hachette website in the first minutes of release so we will need to be on the ball and pre-order the issues. My local newsagent allowed me to order five copies of earlier issues, but later reduced that to two. I didn't manage to get extra of some items.

It's an opportunity, but its also very much blink and you miss it. I will have to watch the back page carefully and not be tardy going to the newsagent to order copies in. Conquest was a massive opportunity but relatively few players were diligent enough to capitalise on it as there was a lot of hassle involved, and that was (mostly) pre-lockdown.

I wonder how much the scalped SoB stuff will be. Even now there are scalpers selling off models from the set on ebay (and with the exception of a few models, no ones buying). The canoness is sitting pretty at $40 (plus shipping), but the other units are more or less priced okay. At the very least, the flamer sister standing on the burnt heretic will be sought after.

Also for all that we get excited about them don't forget that these products are ideal "little Timmy" style products. Granted its on the more affluent end of the scale, but at the same time the creative angle and such often sways parents into thinking its a more educational and rewarding/skill based hobby than say video games and such.

In the end GW not only nets a profit from this, but also nets new customers. The inclusion of terrain also nets them better looking tables when those customers play (and when we play) which in turn nets them - yep - more customers.

It's basically a win win for everyone involved

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
All the minis in the starter boxset were unique to that product, at least until now.

I'm aware of that, but a push-fit Sister with a Bolter and a multi-part Sister with a Bolter isn't much of a difference. The Canoness was a unique HQ miniature. That's what makes her interesting/desirable as a mini.

More difference than you might think. The multipart sisters were not truly multipart, you got five sisters each with a single pose and add ons to make two different models. The starter set also did this but didn't have the multipart special weapon and sister superior options, just with a single loadout for the squad.

This does mean that standard boxset sisters have six model poses plus some differences in heads and weapons, they are not true multipart like Astartes where you pose the model yourself. Mixing in the starter sisters doubles the number of actual body poses in your sisters squads as the entire squad is sculpted differently. It makes a huge difference once you get one or two sisters boxset and swap around the special weapons, and the larger your army is the more it matters that you have the extra poses. Lovely models, but taken only from the retail boxsets sisters can get samey fast.

IIRC there are no true customisable multipart models in the entire faction. The best you get are head and weapon swaps, plus some backpack swaps on monopose body and leg models. Even the pentitent engines are modelled this way, though you can freepose those with a little conversion. What makes the difference there is that all the sisters models are fairly busy with purity seals, rosaries, braziers, etc, and having the same add ons fluttering the same way, as copypasta, gets noticeable. This is why having a fourth pentitent engine core model is especially useful as they are extremely busy, work best if spammed and get noticeably samey.

 Orlanth wrote:
IIRC there are no true customisable multipart models in the entire faction.

Well of course not. It's modern GW. Kitbashing ist verboten!!!

Yeah, I really want more poses for my Bloody Rose, kitbashing and converting differing load outs will give the illusion of variety.
My retributors need some more variance.

Have done the same with all of my variants of Tactics(intercessors/hellblasters)and want to work on more Phobos.

 Orlanth wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Canoness also isn't available anywhere outside of that long-OOP box, so that's nice.

Looks like it's the whole box. I see the penitent engine, arco flagellants, etc. Part of me is jealous that the unique sculpts will be waaaay more common now (at least in the UK), but it is nice that people can get some models outside the crazy expensive set. Plus now I can hopefully pick up a second canoness, in case I butcher the first one

Not necessarily more common. First there will be scalpers clearing out the issues from Hachette website in the first minutes of release so we will need to be on the ball and pre-order the issues. My local newsagent allowed me to order five copies of earlier issues, but later reduced that to two. I didn't manage to get extra of some items.

It's an opportunity, but its also very much blink and you miss it. I will have to watch the back page carefully and not be tardy going to the newsagent to order copies in. Conquest was a massive opportunity but relatively few players were diligent enough to capitalise on it as there was a lot of hassle involved, and that was (mostly) pre-lockdown.

For UK buyers, assuming Forbidden Planet stock this run, advance order is quite simple. The beauty of Forbidden Planet was that you could place an advance order for three or more issues and you receive free postage even though the issues were posted out as they were released. The site also listed issues long before Hachette updated their website.

I know some on here help our overseas friends through the Loot Group so all is not lost for those who detest the eBay gougers.


I'm in for the Premium.

I don't mind dabbling in other armies so picking up for cheaper than retail appeals.

I wonder if they are going to come up with another new Chapter to focus on or will the Silver Templars be expanded.

Could the exclusive model be a promoted Calsius? If so, will we see him grow further? Chapter Master Calsius when Calgar bites the big one. Tune into Hachette 40K Partworks Part IV in six years time.

It worked for Forgeworld and the Red Scorpions character.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just about every Marine in the set is an Easy 2 Build model.

The Blade Guard from Indomitus come on a sprue with quite a bit more, and whilst I'm sure there's no problem with including that sprue as part of this magazine subscription, I don't think GW would allow that given they want to charge an obscene amount for said sprue.

And they're not about to include the multi-part Bladeguard kit in this.

Bits from it are all there. This is really gonna be £8.99 for sure. Likewise the Necron Royal Court. Single sprue = single issue.

It’s the Flayed Ones and Lychguard I’m most interested in. Flayed Ones are definitely an issue unto themselves, as they’re a single sprue for five. Lychguard? Well....two sprues in the retail box, but fingers crossed they’ll be a single issue too.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just about every Marine in the set is an Easy 2 Build model.

The Blade Guard from Indomitus come on a sprue with quite a bit more, and whilst I'm sure there's no problem with including that sprue as part of this magazine subscription, I don't think GW would allow that given they want to charge an obscene amount for said sprue.

And they're not about to include the multi-part Bladeguard kit in this.

Bits from it are all there. This is really gonna be £8.99 for sure. Likewise the Necron Royal Court. Single sprue = single issue.

It’s the Flayed Ones and Lychguard I’m most interested in. Flayed Ones are definitely an issue unto themselves, as they’re a single sprue for five. Lychguard? Well....two sprues in the retail box, but fingers crossed they’ll be a single issue too.

It could be like Conquest though where veterans have to accept that this product is not Warhammer 40000.

The scenarios in the magazines aren't based on points rules so your army could consists of a Lieutenant and three Reivers and a Bike.

Indeed. But when one issue may very well be a near 90% saving on desirable models (sculpts and in-game potency) it’s kinda hard for peeps not to be salty, especially if you don’t have the option to grab that saving yourself.

Whilst Conquest did have stuff split over multiple issues (the big floaty tank thing was one, as was the Plagueburst Crawler, Dreadnought and Rhino), none involved single sprues being broken down. The “worst” that happened in that regard was one of the Floaty Tank issues just being the base.

And I know I keep banging on about them, but those Flayed Ones. Single sprue of 5 = a single issue for them. So set at £8.99.

I can get my desired two units of twenty for a comparative song - even if the main kit turns out to be 10 strong.

If this follows the Conquest and Mortal Realms? Germany, Spain and Australia will get this in turn. Everyone else? Tough luck, Buster.

alphaecho wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just about every Marine in the set is an Easy 2 Build model.

The Blade Guard from Indomitus come on a sprue with quite a bit more, and whilst I'm sure there's no problem with including that sprue as part of this magazine subscription, I don't think GW would allow that given they want to charge an obscene amount for said sprue.

And they're not about to include the multi-part Bladeguard kit in this.

Bits from it are all there. This is really gonna be £8.99 for sure. Likewise the Necron Royal Court. Single sprue = single issue.

It’s the Flayed Ones and Lychguard I’m most interested in. Flayed Ones are definitely an issue unto themselves, as they’re a single sprue for five. Lychguard? Well....two sprues in the retail box, but fingers crossed they’ll be a single issue too.

It could be like Conquest though where veterans have to accept that this product is not Warhammer 40000.

The scenarios in the magazines aren't based on points rules so your army could consists of a Lieutenant and three Reivers and a Bike.

Yeah in most ways that’s irrelevant.
For anyone already in the hobby buying this like all of us, it doesn’t matter what the scenarios are based on or rules they give. It’s still certain models for a really good price compared to GW.
And as soon as we know the schedule we can start getting units and such for very cheap.

Hopefuly this gets released in EU as well like Conquest was (currently at issue 63 in France), as I'd be very interested in suscribing (probably not for Premium).

it will be released in EU for sure

I guess timing will be a little bit off so that the last issues are coming after 10th Edi hit the shelf

Not in EU. In some countries. Alas EU has 27 country of which about 5(?) countries got it.

For rest of us it's order from UK with exceedingly high postage from UK even pre-brexit. So guess now it's time just for spam ordering single issue. I could see it working out okay to get say 40-60 flayed ones(assuming you can order 8-12 of same magazines at once).

if one country in the EU get it, you can order it from there, if you only care for the minis and don't mind the foreign language of the articles

Brexit may mean it’s no longer profitable enough to bother with the EU.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Brexit may mean it’s no longer profitable enough to bother with the EU.

At least other Hachette stuff is still on shelves, I just saw one of the magazines where you can collect an unimog model at the gas station. Their products have been around forever, I doubt they would drop the entire market.

 kodos wrote:
if one country in the EU get it, you can order it from there, if you only care for the minis and don't mind the foreign language of the articles

Nobody's reading the articles, it's like Playboy

 Jidmah wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Brexit may mean it’s no longer profitable enough to bother with the EU.

At least other Hachette stuff is still on shelves, I just saw one of the magazines where you can collect an unimog model at the gas station. Their products have been around forever, I doubt they would drop the entire market.

It’ll be an idea to start looking at how many new collections start going forward.
That may begin to lower as they decide it’s less cost effective, only keeping some (if warrant Warhammer is more popular than many of their kits, as the individual is interested in multiple etc).
Current ones I don’t think they’d just stop in the middle, a) due to production already having happened or being in process and b) they may have struck deals to prevent them just stopping with said companies involved.

I know in the past this kind of mag sometimes just decided to stop if they didn’t think it was going well enough for them. Potentially ruining someone’s build or set.
Maybe not so likely or possibly in this ‘new age’ we live in.

 kodos wrote:
if one country in the EU get it, you can order it from there, if you only care for the minis and don't mind the foreign language of the articles

If hachette delivers to some country doesn't mean they will deliver it to other.

And bookshops selling in German isn't much help for people living in Finland. Going to German is more expensive than the GW models would be straight from GW...

And so far haven't found any EU based store that sells magazines internationally either.


edit: oh and shipping fees are least issues from forbidden planets now. They have flat out stopped selling internationally.

According to their webpage, the issue I saw is likely #7 or earlier, meaning it started early this year or by the end of last year.

As I said, hachette has been around forever in Germany (I collected some of their magazines 20 years ago) and you can see two or three of their magazines at pretty much every store that sells magazines. Dropping the entire market seems unlikely. I doubt that brexit would cost them more than 2€ per issue and people would easily pay that much extra.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
IIRC there are no true customisable multipart models in the entire faction.

Well of course not. It's modern GW. Kitbashing ist verboten!!!

But we are heretics and lawbreakers.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

If this follows the Conquest and Mortal Realms? Germany, Spain and Australia will get this in turn. Everyone else? Tough luck, Buster.

It's not a stretch for one of the US partwork companies to sublicence this in the US from Hachette and GW. Due to its popularity it might be a good idea for one to do so. US customers might want to chance it and write to them.

Are any other hachette magazines available in the US? I doubt they would go through all the trouble to establish themselves there for just a 40k magazine that will end in two years or so.

alphaecho wrote:

I'm in for the Premium.

I couldn't back Premium, £160 is a lot and frankly +£8 per payment is a lot. I can stomach a monthly hit of £36 and backed on that basis, £44 however takes it over the line IMHO. There will also be hidden costs, books etc as with Conquest, but by and large I didn't mind what I got for those.

Premium is better than for Conquest where you got cardboard boxes and card tokens and paid through the nose for them. At face value the add ons look OK, they are a better price than GW retail, similar to internet retail prices, but for £160 at the same rates you could get models you want from factions you want, rather than what you get here.
I will eat my words if the square graphics are actually stand ins for Codexes but I really doubt there are. I frankly expected Death Guard and Space Marines codexes to be two of the add ons for Conquest. But6 it was not to be.

 Orlanth wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
IIRC there are no true customisable multipart models in the entire faction.

Well of course not. It's modern GW. Kitbashing ist verboten!!!

But we are heretics and lawbreakers.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

If this follows the Conquest and Mortal Realms? Germany, Spain and Australia will get this in turn. Everyone else? Tough luck, Buster.

It's not a stretch for one of the US partwork companies to sublicence this in the US from Hachette and GW. Due to its popularity it might be a good idea for one to do so. US customers might want to chance it and write to them.

I can’t remember where I saw it, nor can I really confirm I didn’t imagine it (been having vivid dreams recently), but I do recall a Trial Confirmation type email, shared by someone State side.

It was this very thread! Though sourced from Reddit, so maybe salt at the ready?

I wonder how many issues I might need to put together Necron and SoB kill teams.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Yeah, I really want more poses for my Bloody Rose, kitbashing and converting differing load outs will give the illusion of variety.
My retributors need some more variance.

Have done the same with all of my variants of Tactics(intercessors/hellblasters)and want to work on more Phobos.

What really kills this is the poverty of poses for sisters superior. You get one pose in the Battle sisters box, for all battle sisters including Dominion and Celestian squads. Its a good pose, but when spammed really grates. You can get a second pose from the Retributor boxset, which should be swapped in for some variety for the Battle sisters. Now we see how much difference an additional pose makes, between three poses and helm backpack and wargear options you get just enough variety to matter. Could still be better but its passable.

If you havent subscribed really make sure you dont miss this issue when it drops.