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Eldar are comically old now, but at last they still looks really good. Catachans on the other hand would benefit more from a revamp!

Hopefully any revamp of Catachans makes it clear that they're skirting a bit of the abhuman line themselves. The moniker "Baby Ogryn" is used to apply to them for a reason, dangit!

Honestly I’d prefer if they didn’t do Catachans or Cadians (though I’d be happy with either). I’d much rather them do something that hasn’t been in plastic before like Steel Legion or something completely new. Especially with Cadia being destroyed and what not, it would be nice to have a new focus.

If this rumor does end up belonging to new Guard Infantry kits at all though I would be very happy. Guard infantry are probably the worst looking Troop Choice in the game.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Honestly I’d prefer if they didn’t do Catachans or Cadians (though I’d be happy with either). I’d much rather them do something that hasn’t been in plastic before like Steel Legion or something completely new. Especially with Cadia being destroyed and what not, it would be nice to have a new focus.

If this rumor does end up belonging to new Guard Infantry kits at all though I would be very happy. Guard infantry are probably the worst looking Troop Choice in the game.

While I agree it’d be nice for one if the other legions, greatcoat style please.
I don’t see it happening. Unless it’s a third line.

A) Aren't the Cadian models basically also the standard guard armour look, we just have them marketed as Cadians, but nearly every guard unit looks like that with their uniforms.
B) They’d have to redo a huge amount of the line if they were doing away with them, a lot of models, even vehicles etc I think, have that style of guardsmen in the box don’t they?

Gonna be honest. My money is some sort of rouge trader type group. Or other box set sorta deal. It just has that one off sort of feel ya know? Like a named character or retinue member.

Danny76 wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Honestly I’d prefer if they didn’t do Catachans or Cadians (though I’d be happy with either). I’d much rather them do something that hasn’t been in plastic before like Steel Legion or something completely new. Especially with Cadia being destroyed and what not, it would be nice to have a new focus.

If this rumor does end up belonging to new Guard Infantry kits at all though I would be very happy. Guard infantry are probably the worst looking Troop Choice in the game.

While I agree it’d be nice for one if the other legions, greatcoat style please.
I don’t see it happening. Unless it’s a third line.

A) Aren't the Cadian models basically also the standard guard armour look, we just have them marketed as Cadians, but nearly every guard unit looks like that with their uniforms.
B) They’d have to redo a huge amount of the line if they were doing away with them, a lot of models, even vehicles etc I think, have that style of guardsmen in the box don’t they?

It probably won’t happen, but I would definitely prefer it.

As for the questions:
A) No, there is no standard guard armor or uniform for the Guard. That said Cadians have trained a lot of different regiments and a lot of regiments model themselves after Cadians, so it is a relatively common uniform in the Imperial Guard.
B) No they wouldn’t. A lot of the vehicle crew are pretty generic, and while a few have Cadian style helmets all they would need to do is add a couple heads for vehicle crew in the Infantry box that could be used with those bodies. Most vehicle crew have pretty different uniforms than infantry soldiers in real world armies armies, so it wouldn’t seem out of place in 40k as long as the color scheme matched.

That said, if they do anything, it will probably just be a redux of Cadians to the proportions and quality of the command squad (which is still a pretty good kit).


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cody.d. wrote:
Gonna be honest. My money is some sort of rouge trader type group. Or other box set sorta deal. It just has that one off sort of feel ya know? Like a named character or retinue member.

Probably true. It very well could match up with those Inquisition like pictures shown earlier. I’m crossing my fingers for new Guard squads though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hopefully any revamp of Catachans makes it clear that they're skirting a bit of the abhuman line themselves. The moniker "Baby Ogryn" is used to apply to them for a reason, dangit!

God no! That would be awful.

A revision of Catachans - and the Guard in general - should make it clear that these are regular humans. Because against all the terrors of the galaxy - be it Tyranid invasions, awakened Necrons, rampaging Orks, callous Eldar, upstart Tau or the Chaos Legions - the people holding it together are the normal men and women of the Imperial Guard.

Not half-human roided up Rambo-wannabes who come from an angry jungle.

The question is, based on the two latest Catachan models (Sgrt. Ripper and "Scalper's wetdream") would people be happy with getting more models like them? Both models seem pretty great, but idk

If they make a new guard squad, I'd want the neck joints to be designed so they can take the other guard, scions, and skitarii heads

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If they make a new guard squad, I'd want the neck joints to be designed so they can take the other guard, scions, and skitarii heads

Kitbashing is verboten.

We'l get 10 wonderfully dynamic Guardsmen with two torsos that can take different weapons, and one that can either be a Guardsman or a Sergeant. The same torsos will go with the same legs (assuming the two are even separate). The arms will connect at odd angles and cuts, meaning that only set weapons can go with each torso. Nothing will be interchangeable.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If they make a new guard squad, I'd want the neck joints to be designed so they can take the other guard, scions, and skitarii heads

Kitbashing is verboten.

We'l get 10 wonderfully dynamic Guardsmen with two torsos that can take different weapons, and one that can either be a Guardsman or a Sergeant. The same torsos will go with the same legs (assuming the two are even separate). The arms will connect at odd angles and cuts, meaning that only set weapons can go with each torso. Nothing will be interchangeable.

More money for Wargames Atlantic from those who aren't tied to gaming in GW stores or in GW Tournaments then.

I wonder when the WA Death Fields range will see a range of US marines lifted from the Vietnam jungles. I mean, no one would ever consider proxying a range like that for Catachans!

 Sabotage! wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Honestly I’d prefer if they didn’t do Catachans or Cadians (though I’d be happy with either). I’d much rather them do something that hasn’t been in plastic before like Steel Legion or something completely new. Especially with Cadia being destroyed and what not, it would be nice to have a new focus.

If this rumor does end up belonging to new Guard Infantry kits at all though I would be very happy. Guard infantry are probably the worst looking Troop Choice in the game.

While I agree it’d be nice for one if the other legions, greatcoat style please.
I don’t see it happening. Unless it’s a third line.

A) Aren't the Cadian models basically also the standard guard armour look, we just have them marketed as Cadians, but nearly every guard unit looks like that with their uniforms.
B) They’d have to redo a huge amount of the line if they were doing away with them, a lot of models, even vehicles etc I think, have that style of guardsmen in the box don’t they?

It probably won’t happen, but I would definitely prefer it.

As for the questions:
A) No, there is no standard guard armor or uniform for the Guard. That said Cadians have trained a lot of different regiments and a lot of regiments model themselves after Cadians, so it is a relatively common uniform in the Imperial Guard.
B) No they wouldn’t. A lot of the vehicle crew are pretty generic, and while a few have Cadian style helmets all they would need to do is add a couple heads for vehicle crew in the Infantry box that could be used with those bodies. Most vehicle crew have pretty different uniforms than infantry soldiers in real world armies armies, so it wouldn’t seem out of place in 40k as long as the color scheme matched.

That said, if they do anything, it will probably just be a redux of Cadians to the proportions and quality of the command squad (which is still a pretty good kit).

I thought the two command squads were pretty good yeah.


I really had it in my head that tons of forge woods produced stock armour as it were, and it was all ‘Cadian pattern’ and it was the most used in the galaxy (just as an explanation as to why that was the main kit if nothing else).
Don’t remember where I read it, but thought I had from multiple sources, codexes and such.
Maybe a very vivid dream..

What if we're not thinking inside the box enough

What if it's somethig we know they should be spoiling any time now

Cawdor 2nd sprue

Danny76 wrote:


I thought the two command squads were pretty good yeah.


I really had it in my head that tons of forge woods produced stock armour as it were, and it was all ‘Cadian pattern’ and it was the most used in the galaxy (just as an explanation as to why that was the main kit if nothing else).
Don’t remember where I read it, but thought I had from multiple sources, codexes and such.
Maybe a very vivid dream..

As far as I know that wasn’t the case, though to be honest I haven’t read the most recent Guard Codexes. I played Guard from 3rd until 6th and read way too many Dan Abnett Gaunt’s Ghosts books and during that period each Guard regiment sourced their own gear/uniforms. Some did copy the Cadians and some were trained and provided equipment by them, but most regiments were completely distinct. Basically the Imperium would send a tithe for Troops to a planet and they would raise a regiment and equip them with what they use. Which is why in a lot of the novels and background lore you see grenadiers with hell guns, guys wearing scale mail with auto guns, single shot laslocks and Napolonic uniforms, etc. It’s really a shame GW never fully capitalized on that (and though 3rd party companies certainly have).

My guess is a lot of where that idea you had came from was the fact that GW has put tons of pictures of Cadians in different paint schemes in all the Codexes from 4th forward and called them different Regiments (though I think this was mostly just done to give be a chance to build their own regiments from a limited selection of infantry options, especially back in 4th when you built your own regiment by picking different abilities). Or I could be completely off base and they changed the fluff a lot in 7th or 8th.

Danny76 wrote:
I really had it in my head that tons of forge woods produced stock armour as it were, and it was all ‘Cadian pattern’ and it was the most used in the galaxy (just as an explanation as to why that was the main kit if nothing else).
Don’t remember where I read it, but thought I had from multiple sources, codexes and such.
Maybe a very vivid dream..

At some point GW added abundance of Cadia style equipment in the Imperial Guard to the background to give an in universe explanation for the reduced model support for non-plastic regiments. It's in the modern background, but is one of the more overtly real life driven retcons that isn't exactly reconcilable with established background before that.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What if we're not thinking inside the box enough

What if it's somethig we know they should be spoiling any time now

Cawdor 2nd sprue

I don't think Doctor Burninator carries around the kind of medicine that's in that bag.

Geifer wrote:
I don't think Doctor Burninator carries around the kind of medicine that's in that bag.

Did you say Savlon? My mistake, thought you asked me to pass the Napalm! Silly, silly me. Still, at least they’re not in pain anymore.

If Guard get a range redo before Eldar I'm going to cry lol.

I mean, they need it too. But a ton of the current Eldar range hasn't even made it to freaking plastic yet.

Rumor engine pics are not always indicative of all the things going on in the studio though. I mean, Necrons got a huge overhaul, but very few Rumor engine pics - just a single one for Illuminor Sczeras actually - and he was released as part of Psyching Awakening, not for tha main Necron revamp.

So there may be a huge Eldar update in the works, which is the suddenly released without any prior warning. I wouldn't draw too many conclusions based on what they show in the Rumor Engine.

 dan2026 wrote:
If Guard get a range redo before Eldar I'm going to cry lol.

I mean, they need it too. But a ton of the current Eldar range hasn't even made it to freaking plastic yet.

True, but lots of the non-plastic Eldar are Elites. And Guardians and Dire Avengers look MUCH better than plastic Cadians/Catachans. That and while Eldar would be a huge range overhaul, Guard needs about 2-3 plastic kits. It could easily be something done with a new codex as a non-major release.

 Sabotage! wrote:

Danny76 wrote:


I thought the two command squads were pretty good yeah.


I really had it in my head that tons of forge woods produced stock armour as it were, and it was all ‘Cadian pattern’ and it was the most used in the galaxy (just as an explanation as to why that was the main kit if nothing else).
Don’t remember where I read it, but thought I had from multiple sources, codexes and such.
Maybe a very vivid dream..

As far as I know that wasn’t the case, though to be honest I haven’t read the most recent Guard Codexes. I played Guard from 3rd until 6th and read way too many Dan Abnett Gaunt’s Ghosts books and during that period each Guard regiment sourced their own gear/uniforms. Some did copy the Cadians and some were trained and provided equipment by them, but most regiments were completely distinct. Basically the Imperium would send a tithe for Troops to a planet and they would raise a regiment and equip them with what they use. Which is why in a lot of the novels and background lore you see grenadiers with hell guns, guys wearing scale mail with auto guns, single shot laslocks and Napolonic uniforms, etc. It’s really a shame GW never fully capitalized on that (and though 3rd party companies certainly have).

My guess is a lot of where that idea you had came from was the fact that GW has put tons of pictures of Cadians in different paint schemes in all the Codexes from 4th forward and called them different Regiments (though I think this was mostly just done to give be a chance to build their own regiments from a limited selection of infantry options, especially back in 4th when you built your own regiment by picking different abilities). Or I could be completely off base and they changed the fluff a lot in 7th or 8th.

My memory fits with what Geifer said.
Though I’m sure I’d read older codexes too with similar.
In the Painted example sections of those, weren’t there alternate paint schemes that were effectively from a different world? Certainly in the newer, but I thought olde too, though it was many years back now.. my memories..

Black library, yeah definitely doesn’t really talk about it, but I think the thing is there, they don’t have to just write about what a model looks like, so they talk about the cool other ones etc.

The other thing is, while yes probably decisions made due to making the range more accessible to more people, in universe it makes sense, the Imperium is massive and would have standard patterns to mass produce all that stuff.
It would be ridiculous for each to have to design and use their own..
Thinking on it, the equipment book a bit like the uplifting primer, that had sort of a standard pattern flak armour and lasgun etc, and was designed for across the worlds..

Didn't the whole thing about different uniforms only really kick in with the 2nd ed metals.

Before that, the Necromunda 8th, the Mordian battle group and so on all wore the same standard uniform.

Tribal markings, gang tattoos and so could be used to differentiate and customise the Rogue Trader metals and plastics.

Isn't there some background somewhere that stated that all Regiments may ultimately come to wear the standard Cadian type uniform if they cannot resource peaked caps, furry hats or the vest/ bandana combo to replace wear and tear?

The Departmento Munitorum cares not for your love of a red piping down your trousers.

 Sabotage! wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
If Guard get a range redo before Eldar I'm going to cry lol.

I mean, they need it too. But a ton of the current Eldar range hasn't even made it to freaking plastic yet.

True, but lots of the non-plastic Eldar are Elites. And Guardians and Dire Avengers look MUCH better than plastic Cadians/Catachans. .

Eh. Catachans are ugly mutant things and they're not supposed to be, so I'll give you that, but the Cadians are seriously better sculpts with more details than Guardians or DA. You can go all the way down to the understhirt, belt and even pockets and the straps for closing them on the Cadians, while guardians (and DA) are just armor with some bumps, thigh plates, spritstones, and a very lightly recessed face plate and eyes.

IG are an abomination at the moment. A shame that they still have these.old outdated kits as core. They need a redo asapz whether its cadian or another regiment ( and dont get me started on eldar)

alphaecho wrote:


Didn't the whole thing about different uniforms only really kick in with the 2nd ed metals.

Before that, the Necromunda 8th, the Mordian battle group and so on all wore the same standard uniform.

Tribal markings, gang tattoos and so could be used to differentiate and customise the Rogue Trader metals and plastics.

Isn't there some background somewhere that stated that all Regiments may ultimately come to wear the standard Cadian type uniform if they cannot resource peaked caps, furry hats or the vest/ bandana combo to replace wear and tear?

The Departmento Munitorum cares not for your love of a red piping down your trousers.

That’s exactly my thought.
Like the Departmento Munitorum just makes all the stuff en masse.
Rather than getting to work and looking, oh another order of uniforms for the Varellian 34th, they have the cool jackets they want us to do, nice for a change.

Cadia the planet is dead dead dead. So I hope when new IG finally roll up, they'll be able to say look at our new regiment kits ye mighties and BUY. I miss the Vostroyans most of all, I came across some Blanche art of them the other day and I got all nostalgic thinking about the Medusa V campaign. The imperial guard have serious potential for some lovely unique kits that people will spend plenty dollarydoos on. But alas, I doubt we'd be that lucky. And gods alone know when the poor Eldar will see new kits.

Given that it's just a close up of a medic bag, I bet it's something for necromunda or some such..

Danny76 wrote:

alphaecho wrote:


Didn't the whole thing about different uniforms only really kick in with the 2nd ed metals.

Before that, the Necromunda 8th, the Mordian battle group and so on all wore the same standard uniform.

Tribal markings, gang tattoos and so could be used to differentiate and customise the Rogue Trader metals and plastics.

Isn't there some background somewhere that stated that all Regiments may ultimately come to wear the standard Cadian type uniform if they cannot resource peaked caps, furry hats or the vest/ bandana combo to replace wear and tear?

The Departmento Munitorum cares not for your love of a red piping down your trousers.

That’s exactly my thought.
Like the Departmento Munitorum just makes all the stuff en masse.
Rather than getting to work and looking, oh another order of uniforms for the Varellian 34th, they have the cool jackets they want us to do, nice for a change.

There’s certainly an element of that. But for specialised Regiments in their element (Valhalla, Tallarn), any specialised kit is likely provided by their Home World, as their relative levels of industry would be best placed.

So whilst a Valhallan would always have a Greatcoat to hand, they would also have standard issue kit, only relying on the former when deployed on a suitable world.

Nid.

Possibly an update to the Red Terror?

Please be a dual kit for lictor/red terror.

I mean, plastic lictor components exist. Also, didn't we have another tyranid themed RE?

Yup. Tentacles.

Hmm looks like a back scratcher.
My grandma has one shaped just like it.


Or something tyranid related.