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H.B.M.C. wrote: Has the MCU addressed the giant person sticking out the ocean yet?
What there's a giant guy sticking out of the ocean? There's also a couple dozen crashed star ships in NY Harbor, a crazy half spider dude swinging through Queens, Inhumans on the moon (remember them? me neither), and SHIELD either is or is not disbanded depending on the week. And half the world population disappeared and then reappeared 5 years later.
Marvel Television was an American television production company responsible for live-action and animated (through Marvel Animation) television shows and direct-to-DVD series based on characters from Marvel Comics. The division was based at affiliate ABC Studios' location. Marvel Television also collaborated with 20th Century Fox in producing shows based on the X-Men franchise such as Legion and The Gifted. The division was transferred to Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment in October 2019, and was folded into the former two months later. Marvel Television is currently used as a label.
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Marvel Television was an American television production company responsible for live-action and animated (through Marvel Animation) television shows and direct-to-DVD series based on characters from Marvel Comics. The division was based at affiliate ABC Studios' location. Marvel Television also collaborated with 20th Century Fox in producing shows based on the X-Men franchise such as Legion and The Gifted. The division was transferred to Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment in October 2019, and was folded into the former two months later. Marvel Television is currently used as a label.
Yeah 2019. Which coincided with everything it was producing getting shut down.
Agents of Shield. Inhumans. The netflix shows. Etc, etc...
Marvel Studios used to answer to the people who ran Marvel Television. Now it's the other way around. And it's why we have Disney + series and specials.
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Marvel Television was an American television production company responsible for live-action and animated (through Marvel Animation) television shows and direct-to-DVD series based on characters from Marvel Comics. The division was based at affiliate ABC Studios' location. Marvel Television also collaborated with 20th Century Fox in producing shows based on the X-Men franchise such as Legion and The Gifted. The division was transferred to Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment in October 2019, and was folded into the former two months later. Marvel Television is currently used as a label.
And? So? But? Therefore?
The point, Ghaz, and I'd've thought this obvious, is that all the stuff that Marvel Television made (Agents of SHIELD, Inhumans, etc.) isn't part of the MCU, and now they're not really a thing.
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Marvel Television was an American television production company responsible for live-action and animated (through Marvel Animation) television shows and direct-to-DVD series based on characters from Marvel Comics. The division was based at affiliate ABC Studios' location. Marvel Television also collaborated with 20th Century Fox in producing shows based on the X-Men franchise such as Legion and The Gifted. The division was transferred to Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment in October 2019, and was folded into the former two months later. Marvel Television is currently used as a label.
And? So? But? Therefore?
The point, Ghaz, and I'd've thought this obvious, is that all the stuff that Marvel Television made (Agents of SHIELD, Inhumans, etc.) isn't part of the MCU, and now they're not really a thing.
Nope. You just said Marvel Television =/= Marvel Studios which is not true. Plus, we need to see how the new Daredevil series deals with the Netflix series (even though it's being touted as a "whole new thing" it could still bring the Netflix series into the MCU main continuity).
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Marvel Television was an American television production company responsible for live-action and animated (through Marvel Animation) television shows and direct-to-DVD series based on characters from Marvel Comics. The division was based at affiliate ABC Studios' location. Marvel Television also collaborated with 20th Century Fox in producing shows based on the X-Men franchise such as Legion and The Gifted. The division was transferred to Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment in October 2019, and was folded into the former two months later. Marvel Television is currently used as a label.
And? So? But? Therefore?
The point, Ghaz, and I'd've thought this obvious, is that all the stuff that Marvel Television made (Agents of SHIELD, Inhumans, etc.) isn't part of the MCU, and now they're not really a thing.
Nope. You just said Marvel Television =/= Marvel Studios which is not true. Plus, we need to see how the new Daredevil series deals with the Netflix series (even though it's being touted as a "whole new thing" it could still bring the Netflix series into the MCU main continuity).
You would have to be out of your mind to think that it's going to get canonized.
Not only is the continuity of the MCU difficult enough to maintain when it's all under their control. It would frankly be impossible to maintain if you started introducing stuff that they had no say in. Also, do you really think Marvel Studios is going to say that The Hand is a league of ninjas that inject kid blood into people for reasons while digging a big hole in NYC so they can dig up dragon bones to make live forever juice?
Cause... yeah. I don't find that likely.
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Never mind the plot. Do you really think they want a not-terribly-good actor who couldn’t be arsed to learn martial arts for a martial arts role as Iron Fist?
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Ghaz wrote: Nope. You just said Marvel Television =/= Marvel Studios which is not true.
Context is king. My comment was in reference to treating Inhumans as part of the MCU, which they are not. My point stands.
Ghaz wrote: Plus, we need to see how the new Daredevil series deals with the Netflix series (even though it's being touted as a "whole new thing" it could still bring the Netflix series into the MCU main continuity).
It won't. Marvel Television projects were borne of a situation out of Feige's control, a Perlmutter division that got the scraps and changed the comics to boost their own profile.
When Civil War broke the camel's back, Marvel Studios jettisoned all the television stuff so they could focus on the MCU. Only later when D+ became a thing was Marvel Television was gutted and their projects stopped (the last ones being MODOK and something else that I can't recall). Now it's just a label, as the link you posted said. It's no longer the Jeph Loeb-run disaster that it turned into.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Do you really think they want a not-terribly-good actor who couldn’t be arsed to learn martial arts for a martial arts role as Iron Fist?
Don't tell porkie pies. Scott Buck - also the guy behind Inhumans - is the man responsible for Iron Fist's failings.
Whereas other productions have months to develop and train for martial arts scenes, the Iron Fist production often had him learning fight scenes a few minutes before they were set to film. Buck ruined that, just as he ruined Inhumans. It's all on that guy's head.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Only later when D+ became a thing was Marvel Television was gutted and their projects stopped (the last ones being MODOK and something else that I can't recall).
Hellstrom.
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Lot of blah, blah for the first 30 seconds, but the rest of the trailer looks shockingly good. With a random weird cameo.
I think they learned something from keeping Thanos in the closet for 20+ movies. They might be kicking off hard on this arc.
And it might not even end in a mirror-match battle, though obviously its lots and lots and lots of CGI.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Don't tell porkie pies. Scott Buck - also the guy behind Inhumans - is the man responsible for Iron Fist's failings.
Whereas other productions have months to develop and train for martial arts scenes, the Iron Fist production often had him learning fight scenes a few minutes before they were set to film. Buck ruined that, just as he ruined Inhumans. It's all on that guy's head.
That man's ability to fail upward is impressive. He also ruined Dexter, fwiw.
I've heard it mentioned that that's kind of his role. He gets things done on time and under budget. He's kind of the go to when a studio wants to fulfill an obligation but doesn't really want to pay for it.
Better than a 7/10, some way from a 9/10. But not quite, or just barely, an 8/10.
The plot is interesting and the pace mostly solid. Much of the acting is excellent (not you, Mr Freeman. You’re just looking exasperated. Again. That is not in fact a talent).
But the action scenes kind of let it down. They’re not universally bad like, but there are distinct moments and bits where nothing really works. Mass paggas where you can’t tell who’s who or whether a main character just got chinned. One on one fights where someone seems to just stand there, get hit, then react a fraction of a second too late to look real.
I want to be clear it is not a Bad Film. It’s not even disappointing. It’s just….not quite the full shilling in certain areas. Which is a shame, particularly as the worst offending happens in the final few scenes, leaving a poor impression which masks some excellent movie in the early and mid scenes.
Bit of spit and polish on the fight scenes and I think it’d be a strong 8, edging into 9/10.
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It has the disappearing masks to deliver a line then reappear again thing... Which is particularly noticable in the last fight. The Midnight Angels suits look... Less good but their inclusion is nice.
The acting is the highlights here with a story about loss and grief and anger. Happy to see everyone come back for more in the future.
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I want to be clear it is not a Bad Film. It’s not even disappointing. It’s just….not quite the full shilling in certain areas. Which is a shame, particularly as the worst offending happens in the final few scenes, leaving a poor impression which masks some excellent movie in the early and mid scenes.
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Strong start/middle and weak finish basically is the Marvel formula at this point.
Even the standouts with strong depth of character fizzle out in the CGI aftermath.
It's a 7/10 for me. The first one is definitely better. The actress who plays Shuri is just not a leading lady. Namor stole every scene he was in and totally overshadowed her every time they were onscreen together. Not a terrible film, but not great either. Pretty much sums up phase 4 to be honest.
I thought they did a really great job introducing ironheart. The revelation that this genius wasn't working for anyone, just turning in school projects, was a great way to introduce her and her skill level.
O look forward to her show. Especially because it want be ironman suit versus ironman suit. Will love her fighting a magic man.
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I will point out, as I feel I have before, that this is the MCU TV thread, and therefore people could quite innocently click on the thread and justifiably not expect to be hit in the face with any Wakanda Forever talk at all, let alone spoilers of any sort.
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Lance845 wrote: It has the disappearing masks to deliver a line then reappear again thing... Which is particularly noticable in the last fight.
As bad as it is when they do that, to me it was nowhere near as prominent as in the Panther/Killmonger fight, where every time they stopped to deliver a line of dialogue their masks would vanish. Here it was only really bad when Okoye delivered her final line when fighting Attuma.
I want to be clear it is not a Bad Film. It’s not even disappointing. It’s just….not quite the full shilling in certain areas. Which is a shame, particularly as the worst offending happens in the final few scenes, leaving a poor impression which masks some excellent movie in the early and mid scenes.
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Strong start/middle and weak finish basically is the Marvel formula at this point.
Even the standouts with strong depth of character fizzle out in the CGI aftermath.
It’s really not that bad. Also probably worth mentioning there was a lot of people moving about in the screening (pretty sure a few people sat behind me got kicked out) which brought me out the moment somewhat.
I’ll happily watch it again, don’t get me wrong. It’s just not Instant Classic.
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And as Creeping_deth87 said, Letitia Wright whilst a decent enough actress, doesn’t quite carry it off as Leading Lady. She has solid moments, but other bits just don’t land right. But, I feel things well outside anyones control are of course in play. Chadwick Boseman was always going to be a tough act to follow, as the man bled sheer charisma, and like Patrick Stewart gave others a solid foundation to bounce off. I think Lupita N’yonog would’ve been a better choice to assume the mantle, but in terms of narrative it does work overall.
Add in Angela Bassett being absolutely wonderful, and it was just the wrong time for Letitia Wright, as she had to match Namor, Ramonda and Nakia in terms of acting skill and interesting character.
Please don’t get me wrong. This film is only mildly disappointing, and only in certain scenes. A going back over some of the fight scenes would help it immensely and perhaps we might see that in future, who knows.
I certainly don’t regret the £7.50 cinema ticket, nor the time spent Bum In Seat. It’s just frustrating because it comes so bloody close to being Utterly Amazing.
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I want to be clear it is not a Bad Film. It’s not even disappointing. It’s just….not quite the full shilling in certain areas. Which is a shame, particularly as the worst offending happens in the final few scenes, leaving a poor impression which masks some excellent movie in the early and mid scenes.
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Strong start/middle and weak finish basically is the Marvel formula at this point.
Even the standouts with strong depth of character fizzle out in the CGI aftermath.
It’s really not that bad. Also probably worth mentioning there was a lot of people moving about in the screening (pretty sure a few people sat behind me got kicked out) which brought me out the moment somewhat.
I’ll happily watch it again, don’t get me wrong. It’s just not Instant Classic.
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And as H.B.M.C. said, Letitia Wright whilst a decent enough actress, doesn’t quite carry it off as Leading Lady. She has solid moments, but other bits just don’t land right. But, I feel things well outside anyones control are of course in play. Chadwick Boseman was always going to be a tough act to follow, as the man bled sheer charisma, and like Patrick Stewart gave others a solid foundation to bounce off. I think Lupita N’yonog would’ve been a better choice to assume the mantle, but in terms of narrative it does work overall.
Add in Angela Bassett being absolutely wonderful, and it was just the wrong time for Letitia Wright, as she had to match Namor, Ramonda and Nakia in terms of acting skill and interesting character.
Please don’t get me wrong. This film is only mildly disappointing, and only in certain scenes. A going back over some of the fight scenes would help it immensely and perhaps we might see that in future, who knows.
I certainly don’t regret the £7.50 cinema ticket, nor the time spent Bum In Seat. It’s just frustrating because it comes so bloody close to being Utterly Amazing.
That was actually me that said that, not HBMC. I pretty much agree with everything else. 'Mildly disappointing' sums up my feelings quite well.
Why does film stuff, keep ending up in the TV thread? <Stares intently at MDG>
Mods- please just change the title of this thread to Marvel MCU Stuff....... please. /S
I put my comments in the Wakanda Forever Thread, but for the sake of being seen, here they are:
I watched Wakanda Forever....
The story and acting are great, and then the Super-heroics really let it all down. The final "battle" is especially boring and lame.
They treat the death of Boseman really, really, like really well. His death is woven into the fabric and DNA of this movie, and acts as the inciting incident and baseline emotional motif of the entire film. It also forms the character arcs of several characters. Really strong stuff there.
Unlike most MCU films, I can not easily point to the genre they are trying to ape. This feels like a genuinely "unique" movie experience. They are not doing a genre with a super thrown into it. This is a film that was born naturally from the story and character developments of the first film. That is pretty strong vision from Coogler.
Then, we get to all the tie-in to the rest of the MCU, and I feel like Marvel is starting to drag their toes into DCEU territory. Too much tie-in that is cluttering up an otherwise amazing film. I am looking at you "Armor Wars" stuff!
Like I said, the biggest let down is the actual super-heroics of the film. They are kind of flat, despite a great build up of emotional stakes. The final battle between Wakandans and Tlaxocans is especially weak, even if the battle between Black Panther and Namor is pretty strong because the emotional stakes are high.
Finally, always good to see M'baku and he is the "heart" of the movie in some ways.
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I do like how M’Baku is pretty straight forward. Not necessarily the voice of reason every time, but an honest, open opinion is given without any fancy word salad. Playful, but in a curiously respectful way.
And sweet Googly Moogly Winston Duke has excellent screen presence.
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I feel pretty confident saying that the over all theme, the connective theme, of phase 4 is loss and grief. From Spiderman - way too many Spidermans through the holiday special that is coming up, characters are dealing with loss and grief in one way or another. Even She-Hulk goes through the 5 phases of grief over the course of her show as her old life is lost and the new one begins. .
Denial and anger in the first episode. Bargaining when she trying to be She-Hulk but only to be a lawyer, depression up until the Yert, and acceptance at the end when she works with Daredevil and has her final scene on the steps of the court house.
Moonknight is grief over his lost brother and the DID is the consequence of it. Hawkeye is about Mayas lost Uncle, and Clint/Yelenas shared grief of Natasha. Loki and Sylvie's grief of the lives stolen from them. The loss of Cap, the loss of Battlestar, the loss of their new homes and the world they built after the snap. Wanda Vision... yup. Eternals, yup. Shang Chi, yup. Black Widow, yup.
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