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Spoke with manager in my store.
They said that’s the line as currently the only place to get it, might be a store.
Not that it’s limited one run.
From everything he’s heard it’s like all other quests.

There's been this constant reassurance that "of course this will get expansions because Warhammer Quest always does" and I just don't see it - Blackstone Fortress did, yes, but before that Hammerhal got nothing and Silver Tower got a repack of a few existing models as heroes and a couple of card packs and that's it.

I am astounded by the demand for a game with such outdated, passive mechanics in a world where games like Gloomhaven exist. OO

Apart from the minis, which are excellent, the graphic design also looks lazy and cheap. Photos of miniatures instead of artwork, simple drawings etc. GW must have saved a lot of money on artists.

Cyel wrote:
I am astounded by the demand for a game with such outdated, passive mechanics in a world where games like Gloomhaven exist. OO

Apart from the minis, which are excellent, the graphic design also looks lazy and cheap. Photos of miniatures instead of artwork, simple drawings etc. GW must have saved a lot of money on artists.

It's got Warhammer on the label and was hyped up by the company, that's enough for most people these days. If mechanics mattered to people- well, GW wouldn't be pulling in the money it does.

Cyel wrote:
I am astounded by the demand for a game with such outdated, passive mechanics in a world where games like Gloomhaven exist. OO

Apart from the minis, which are excellent, the graphic design also looks lazy and cheap. Photos of miniatures instead of artwork, simple drawings etc. GW must have saved a lot of money on artists.

For some the underlined section is more than enough - they are really cool

Chess - Go - Monopoly - Snakes and Ladders - Redcoats/Bluecoats Cowboys/Indians and whatever kids are allowed to play vs each other today


I mean most of those games haven't have mechanical changes in years - some generations. Suffice to say you don't need the "latest mechanics" for things to be, well, fun. If anything sometimes new mechanics are just old ideas brought around again.


Not every product has to test the boundaries of the future.

No, but things do move forward in terms of game design.

It's why games like Infinity, when they first came along, really excited a lot of wargamers because they were doing something fresh and new, a development on what came before. And made a lot of the existing games look turgid by comparison.

Board games even more so, it might be that for people that have only ever played AoS this game will be absolutely wonderful, but for anyone that has chomped their way through Descent, Gloomhaven, or a multitude of other games find the meat and bones of the game is lacking. In fact, a lot of the (outside GW-centric) boardgame reviews have had that opinion of the other Warhammer Quest games released.

I'd genuinely be interested to see how these kinds of boxed games would do for GW if they made a version that was 'Models Only' and a version that was 'Boardgame with Models'.

It’s almost as if the Dungeon Spelunking market isn’t in fact a single amorphous blob with a one overriding preference of play style.

Remember, only mere months ago a Kickstarter for Heroquest, the most basic of all dungeon crawlers attracted, let’s see...$3,722,649 of worldwide sales.

Some might want Cursed City, others Gloomhaven, others still both, some neither, preferring another game altogether.

You not liking it =/= others not liking it.

Majority of people buying GW product didn't play the game.

While game with really hideous miniatures like Gloomhaven is on top of the chart for a very long certainly isn't because of the cool minis.

 Pacific wrote:
No, but things do move forward in terms of game design.

It's why games like Infinity, when they first came along, really excited a lot of wargamers because they were doing something fresh and new, a development on what came before. And made a lot of the existing games look turgid by comparison.

Board games even more so, it might be that for people that have only ever played AoS this game will be absolutely wonderful, but for anyone that has chomped their way through Descent, Gloomhaven, or a multitude of other games find the meat and bones of the game is lacking. In fact, a lot of the (outside GW-centric) boardgame reviews have had that opinion of the other Warhammer Quest games released.

Yet most people who have played the original Warhammer Quest from the mid-nineties keep wishing GW would release a game more like that. Even though it's almost 30 years old, and has some pretty huge problems, it's just a lot more fun. Not everyone thinks Gloomhaven is the best game. While it might have interesting mechanics, people that like the narrative/story aspect might find the card playing too much of an abstraction and too non-sensical.

Yet most people who have played the original Warhammer Quest from the mid-nineties keep wishing GW would release a game more like that.

It's called nostalgia, and it's why random reprints of products that were objectively kinda bad keep getting massive KS campaigns. Cause the 80s kids are now 40 and want that sweet sweet nostalgia kick.

I honestly wish these Warhammer Quest games actually played more like the original WHQ. Just the wacky stuff that would happen on your way back to town were half the fun.

Wow. Is this a cursed city thread or a 'Personal opinions about games = absolute truth and everything that isn't my favorite needs to get lambasted for daring to exist' thread?

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
No, but things do move forward in terms of game design.

It's why games like Infinity, when they first came along, really excited a lot of wargamers because they were doing something fresh and new, a development on what came before. And made a lot of the existing games look turgid by comparison.

Board games even more so, it might be that for people that have only ever played AoS this game will be absolutely wonderful, but for anyone that has chomped their way through Descent, Gloomhaven, or a multitude of other games find the meat and bones of the game is lacking. In fact, a lot of the (outside GW-centric) boardgame reviews have had that opinion of the other Warhammer Quest games released.

Yet most people who have played the original Warhammer Quest from the mid-nineties keep wishing GW would release a game more like that. Even though it's almost 30 years old, and has some pretty huge problems, it's just a lot more fun. Not everyone thinks Gloomhaven is the best game. While it might have interesting mechanics, people that like the narrative/story aspect might find the card playing too much of an abstraction and too non-sensical.

I agree with you. I had actually posted a few pages back that if the 90s Quest was available again tomorrow I would get it!

But it would be interesting to know how much of it would be enjoyment because of the enjoyment/casual factor, and enjoying the game despite the mechanics, rather than because of them. GWs games don't exist in a void (although it can sometimes appear that way). A compan that could design some genuinely groundbreaking games back in the day that still hold up well and have a massive active player community (Space Hulk, Blood Bowl etc.), should be able to do it again, and we should expect high gameplay standards from them, especially with the additional money and resources now available to them.

So I don't think there is anything wrong with expecting game mechanics that aren't crap and would stand up well to repeat gaming (which would be my main concern, rather than it being one specific type of game over another).

Cronch wrote:

Yet most people who have played the original Warhammer Quest from the mid-nineties keep wishing GW would release a game more like that.

It's called nostalgia, and it's why random reprints of products that were objectively kinda bad keep getting massive KS campaigns. Cause the 80s kids are now 40 and want that sweet sweet nostalgia kick.

Yes, our rosy memories of feelings we had for something in the past aren't really objective information about this thing's actual quality. Especially if this thingg didn't have any kind of alternative back then.

Bits and Kits are selling the board game components (no models) for £20 if anyone did want to play without the official models.

Well, I ended up cancelling my preorder yesterday. I decided that I would get more play out of all the Underworlds stuff going up for preorder next week and the new Death Zone supplement (which has official printed Sevens rules!).

If it is a limited release that’s a bummer. I was able to preorder the mini I wanted most from the set (Witch Hunter) for 25 bucks. Which is a lot, but less than normal price for a GW character. All said everything will still cost me less than the game and will see more use on the tabletop than Cursed City. Hopefully my preorder goes to someone who really wants to play the game with their group.

 Overread wrote:
Chess - Go - Monopoly - Snakes and Ladders - Redcoats/Bluecoats Cowboys/Indians and whatever kids are allowed to play vs each other today


I mean most of those games haven't have mechanical changes in years - some generations. Suffice to say you don't need the "latest mechanics" for things to be, well, fun.

Are you saying anyone every considered Monopoly to be fun?
The only people I've ever met who propose playing it are people who've basically never played any other boardgame.

Admittedly, some similarities exist between that context and people who start wargaming via GW and then (sometimes) discover the wider world...

Aeneades wrote:
Bits and Kits are selling the board game components (no models) for £20 if anyone did want to play without the official models.

eBay USD price is around $70. Hilarious!

 Albertorius wrote:

That's why I posted the Middara pics, as everything in the box (except the minis, I guess, being boardgame plastics) is higher quality than the stuff from BSF, which I also own.

Just had a butchers and Middara looks seriously sexy.

According to our experts on GW. Designing the models, making the plastic molds etc is costly and time consuming and releases are planned years in advance.
If this is the case, why does GW make products so limited? If some of these models don't make it as plastic only releases, it really makes the effort into all those models wasteful.

What is worse is that they've annoyed a lot of potential customers by not making enough of Cursed City... then, if an expansion comes out, I expect they won't make enough for all the people that were happy they got the main game, angering those previously happy customers who now miss out on expansions. Is this how nu-GW works now?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
According to our experts on GW. Designing the models, making the plastic molds etc is costly and time consuming and releases are planned years in advance.
If this is the case, why does GW make products so limited? If some of these models don't make it as plastic only releases, it really makes the effort into all those models wasteful.

To create, publicize, produce and sell a product line and for it to return its initial investment, turn a massive profit, and then be moved to the side to create room for a new product is great for a business. GW is a publically traded company and needs to have a continually sustainable product line as well splash releases that contribute to the massive profits we have been seeing from the company year on year. A game like WQ will need to be ordered in significantly larger batches for print runs than product lines done entirely in-house.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
According to our experts on GW. Designing the models, making the plastic molds etc is costly and time consuming and releases are planned years in advance.
If this is the case, why does GW make products so limited? If some of these models don't make it as plastic only releases, it really makes the effort into all those models wasteful.

We know that GW have sold at least 5650 of them, since that's how many keys they did, so they've sold $1,130,000 USD worth of sets at a minimum at retail price, even at wholesale price probably more than half that.

Mould making is expensive, but I think people are using outdated info with their estimates, and since GW now do a lot more mould making in-house, it's no longer a cost-per-mould, it's a cost-per-year regardless of how many moulds are made (it doesn't save a huge amount of money to have the machines idle and machinists not working). That makes doing limited runs of plastic models a more viable option rather than needing to flog a mould for all it's worth.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
According to our experts on GW. Designing the models, making the plastic molds etc is costly and time consuming and releases are planned years in advance.
If this is the case, why does GW make products so limited? If some of these models don't make it as plastic only releases, it really makes the effort into all those models wasteful.

I mean we all know that's all lies, right? By all logic it should be quick and cheap.

I mean it is expensive...for an individual. So it's true...kind of.

So, I know they just did the pre-order, but do we know when it's supposed to be in stores? I don't recall seeing that date.

This weekend.

Oh, excellent! Thanks!

Shadows of Brimstone is the closest a game has felt to 90s Quest.

Considering the piles of expansions and supplemental material that's out there (not even including all the crazy fan made content), all you're basically missing is the IP.

Plus with the upcoming releases they'll have even more fantasy themes covered via the Norse Adventures.

There's also Darklight: Memento Mori which is made very much in the vein of 90s Quest, but it's a bit more challenging to get a hold of (especially with the exploration deck, which really adds to the atmosphere).