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 Grimtuff wrote:


EDIT- A 4-legged one here too

To me that looks dumber than the model we're discussing. Go for it if you like it though.


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 Grumblewartz wrote:
As a fan of walkers, it is nice that the new sisters Mech suit will help round out a walker heavy list. It does seem like an uninspired design choice. My reasoning is that penitent engines and mortifiers strap their pilot (victim) to the front of the suit to punish them, give them a chance at some form of redemption. Having a devout sister mounted in the same way kind of undermines the logic behind the penitent engines and mortifiers. Lazy design concept, IMO (saying nothing about the aesthetics, which are purely subjective).

In this case though, the sister most likely can get out and do other stuff outside of the armor. The others are there until they either die or are redeemed (if that's possible for them).

PenitentJake wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I'm not massively against them, however if they were going to make a walker for SoB, I think some form of even more grotesque, larger, mutilated maybe multi 'pilot' penitent engine would have been more fitting, with a massive chain blade, inferno cannons, maybe some twin melta guns and heavy bolters, maybe with special rules where it auto explodes for mortal wounds when it does indicating it's role to get into the enemy lines and perish whilst causing untold damage with it.

Obviously a steam punk, decrepit vibe to it to indicate it isn't worth much in terms of parts etc

We already have 2 penitent walkers. What we needed was holy one. That's what we got.

The focus of SOB are the sisters. So new models should take this into account. I was never a fan of those tortured penitent walkers and perceived them more fitting in a chaos cult army.

It's essentially their centurion war suits, I still think some form of monstrous penitent engine, would suit the faction more than these, which are effectively GW just trying to copy all the marines toys.

How far are we away from sisters terminators etc etc... It's just a little unimaginative, and I agree with the point someone else made last page, it doesn't look over the top grandiose, works of ridiculous sculpted art enough to be sisters, it's armour plates are a little too clean and ergonomic.

Yeah I feel like a Sisters walker should look AT LEAST AS over the top as Inquisitor Karamazov and these... don't

I’m not too bothered by it to be fair.
An enclosed cockpit would help though I think.


Either way, depending on its size I may grab a few.
If it’s around castellax size it could fit into dark mechanicum with some chopping.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Yeah I feel like a Sisters walker should look AT LEAST AS over the top as Inquisitor Karamazov and these... don't

Strongly disagree. A specific Inquisitor has unlimited latitude to do his own crazy thing.
A battleline unit for every sisters order, even an elite unit, has no such access. The orders are stuck with whatever supply relationship exists with the Ecclesiarchy and Munitorium. They don't have carte blanche to make over the top demands.

Voss wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Yeah I feel like a Sisters walker should look AT LEAST AS over the top as Inquisitor Karamazov and these... don't

Strongly disagree. A specific Inquisitor has unlimited latitude to do his own crazy thing.
A battleline unit for every sisters order, even an elite unit, has no such access. The orders are stuck with whatever supply relationship exists with the Ecclesiarchy and Munitorium. They don't have carte blanche to make over the top demands.

Why does the Exorcist and Immolator, heck even a standard sister squad look so over the top and decorative, to the point their armour is almost artistically sculpted with many totally unnecessary to function decorative pieces?

Even the penitent and mortifiers have obscene decoration to them. These suits do not fit that aesthetic, they are too clean, it's nothing to do with what inquisitors can get their hands on, proof is in the pudding that sisters treat their weapons and machines in an artisan fashion, which these are not, they look clean and functional, as opposed to how the hell is that even practical? There's a stained glass window used as a gun shield on the immolator, that is the ridiculousness that suits the sisters aesthetic, where is that design ethos on these?

@endlesswaltz:

There is a religious icon atop of the suit.

We will see how opinions change over time on these nun carrying mech suits, but I for one never changed my mind on the dreadknight. It still looks as ridiculous and Fugly as when I first saw a picture of it years back.
Every time I see one, I wonder how the dude who owns it could buy, build and paint that horrible piece of carp. I think these will be the same, but perhaps when we see them "for real" on a table they will look much cooler and less ridiculous.

We can only hope GW is done with making baby carriers for the time being. In this covid era, we need better stuff to cheer us up

 Strg Alt wrote:
@endlesswaltz:

There is a religious icon atop of the suit.

I know there is some decoration on it, I'm saying there is nowhere near enough and also I pointed to it being too clean and ergonomic earlier in the thread....

 addnid wrote:
We will see how opinions change over time on these nun carrying mech suits, but I for one never changed my mind on the dreadknight. It still looks as ridiculous and Fugly as when I first saw a picture of it years back.
Every time I see one, I wonder how the dude who owns it could buy, build and paint that horrible piece of carp. I think these will be the same, but perhaps when we see them "for real" on a table they will look much cooler and less ridiculous.

In an absolutely standard pattern for my engagement with The Hobby...

Somewhere in my shed, I still have some Dreadknight bits, and cockpits from... something else (I don't recall what), purchased when I fully intended to make conversions to have three Dreadknights in my GK army, because I thought the original baby carrier design was so daft.

Uh several editions on I've sold most of my actual GK army and don't quite know what to do with those bits.

I think some of the flamboyance reduction is likely due to size, less surface area to put them on without cluttering it up too much.

Also she's not just got an icon on top - I'm fairly sure the grill above her head is not a vent port but a speaker. It's like a walking armoured and armed religious personal chapel; sanctified and able to spread the word of the Emperor

 addnid wrote:
We will see how opinions change over time on these nun carrying mech suits, but I for one never changed my mind on the dreadknight. It still looks as ridiculous and Fugly as when I first saw a picture of it years back.
Every time I see one, I wonder how the dude who owns it could buy, build and paint that horrible piece of carp. I think these will be the same, but perhaps when we see them "for real" on a table they will look much cooler and less ridiculous.

We can only hope GW is done with making baby carriers for the time being. In this covid era, we need better stuff to cheer us up

Like you, I still don't like the dreadknight, and I don't ever intend to buy one. Part of what makes it so problematic, in my opinion, is its huge size and single vehicle status.

I actually like the Paragon suit a lot, but even if I didn't, they are less than half the size of a dreadknight, allowing the focus to remain on the aesthetic anchors of the army- the exorcists and immolators. They can also be fielded in squadrons, so that a single Paragon does not stand alone.

As for the unadorned state of the Paragon, it is no less adorned than a standard battle sister or a Celestian, and that is what its aesthetic is designed to evoke. If you feel like adding extra bits to bling it up, nothing is stopping you. But those of us who want a kit that looks like it fits with the basic sisters and celestians it was meant to emulate get to have that too.

I may add a cherub to one paragon in each unit, even if there are no rules for them.

 addnid wrote:

Every time I see one, I wonder how the dude who owns it could buy, build and paint that horrible piece of carp.

There was a time when the GM NDK was an auto take for GK armies, mostly because all other options, save maybe for Draigo, were really bad.
In the end looks don't matter as much as having a semblance of a working army. Specially when you don't really have a good choice to replace it.

 Grumblewartz wrote:
As a fan of walkers, it is nice that the new sisters Mech suit will help round out a walker heavy list. It does seem like an uninspired design choice. My reasoning is that penitent engines and mortifiers strap their pilot (victim) to the front of the suit to punish them, give them a chance at some form of redemption. Having a devout sister mounted in the same way kind of undermines the logic behind the penitent engines and mortifiers. Lazy design concept, IMO (saying nothing about the aesthetics, which are purely subjective).

I think this is an uncharitable way of presenting this. The people piloting penitent engines are strapped foreward the mech and are completely exposed and without armor. In the Paragon suits, the sister is partially inside the suit with her chest and legs installed inside the exoskeleton, offering some enhanced protection and still wears a full suit of power armor and potentially a force field to protect her in addition. While not heavily protected by the suits, she's still receive some extra armor and protection from it at a most vital area (her chest) in addition to any protection a normal power armor can afford. A Paragon suit is an upgrade to a power armor in terms of protection while a penitent engine looks like a downgrade.

The one good thing about the Mech is that at least GW designers didn't give the Sister in the suit one of those nasty testosterone busted faces from the general new plastic line.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Why does the Exorcist and Immolator, heck even a standard sister squad look so over the top and decorative, to the point their armour is almost artistically sculpted with many totally unnecessary to function decorative pieces?

Even the penitent and mortifiers have obscene decoration to them. These suits do not fit that aesthetic, they are too clean, it's nothing to do with what inquisitors can get their hands on, proof is in the pudding that sisters treat their weapons and machines in an artisan fashion, which these are not, they look clean and functional, as opposed to how the hell is that even practical? There's a stained glass window used as a gun shield on the immolator, that is the ridiculousness that suits the sisters aesthetic, where is that design ethos on these?

Let's not forget that this is an army that has access to custom variations of power armor.
They should have access to their own variant of terminator armor at the very least... hell they have pipe-organ missile artillery..

They have Batman tier gadget access at this point.

Sidebar, if ANY ARMY IN THE GAME is justified in having baby carriers; it's the army that's had baby carriers since the 90s.

I want to see their rules before I hate them utterly. Right now I think a lot of us hate the model, but might possibly love the unit/idea of the unit. A Terminator class unit for Sisters isn't a bad thing. They need some sort of T5+ unit that isn't a tank or a naked sinner strapped to a mech. I like the idea, hate the model direction.

I feel like the suit lacks enough suitable theming to fit in make it have a proper place as part of the Adepta Sororitas specifically, there's absolutely nothing about the idea that fits the faction in particular. It's just a generic mech suit without any proper attempt to make it fit into their styling specifically, it doesn't do anything with the whole "Fanatical Battle Nun faction" idea unlike pretty much all their other stuff.

It's just uninspired and boring as it doesn't tie in to their whole concept at all. If they really wanted some sort of mech suit than something like a living-statue design or a giant dove mech would have at least had some basis within their theme, because of their use of statues and doves.

@Mentle:

A dove Mech?! Leave that to the bird people of Tzeentch.

 Oborosen wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Why does the Exorcist and Immolator, heck even a standard sister squad look so over the top and decorative, to the point their armour is almost artistically sculpted with many totally unnecessary to function decorative pieces?

Even the penitent and mortifiers have obscene decoration to them. These suits do not fit that aesthetic, they are too clean, it's nothing to do with what inquisitors can get their hands on, proof is in the pudding that sisters treat their weapons and machines in an artisan fashion, which these are not, they look clean and functional, as opposed to how the hell is that even practical? There's a stained glass window used as a gun shield on the immolator, that is the ridiculousness that suits the sisters aesthetic, where is that design ethos on these?

Let's not forget that this is an army that has access to custom variations of power armor.
They should have access to their own variant of terminator armor at the very least... hell they have pipe-organ missile artillery..

They have Batman tier gadget access at this point.

Why should every “army” have access to every unit and technology in a crumbling empire on the edge of ruin?

The model is pretty terrible, and the idea is derivative and lazy and just ends up looking like a boring, vanilla version of the much more interesting thing they already have.

Karol wrote:

 addnid wrote:

Every time I see one, I wonder how the dude who owns it could buy, build and paint that horrible piece of carp.

There was a time when the GM NDK was an auto take for GK armies, mostly because all other options, save maybe for Draigo, were really bad.
In the end looks don't matter as much as having a semblance of a working army. Specially when you don't really have a good choice to replace it.

Maybe not to you. Maybe not for those who're only concerned with wether they win tourneys/win. But I assure you that there are those of us for wich the looks of our models trump rules functionality/advantages.

*I will not spend $ on a model I do not like the look of.
{Exception; Unless it's as a gift for someone else.}
*I will not play with a model I do not like the look of.
*If I'm facing off against such a thing? Then I will kill it ASAP so that it doesn't continue to pollute my field of vision.
*If this thing I don't like is the best thing in the list? Then I will get very good at using the 2nd best choice. Or the 3rd best. Or....
**If this thing I don't like is so integral to the army such that I literally cannot make the army without it? {for example; Dark Eldar figures in a Dark Eldar army....} Then I won't play that army.
Models I don't like are not worth my $, my effort to build & paint, the space they'd take up to own, or my time to play with.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I want to see their rules before I hate them utterly. Right now I think a lot of us hate the model, but might possibly love the unit/idea of the unit. A Terminator class unit for Sisters isn't a bad thing. They need some sort of T5+ unit that isn't a tank or a naked sinner strapped to a mech. I like the idea, hate the model direction.

I am on the opposite end. I like the model, but find it conceptually lazy to roll-out the Gravis/Skorpek-equivalent to every army out there.