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Alright, well, ask and ye shall receive.

Ravenwing article is up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/27/field-an-all-bike-army-with-new-rules-and-stratagems-for-the-ravenwing/

And to those that wondered:

Latest preview is up focussing on the Ravenwing...

In a first for a Space Marine Chapter, their special bonus to the Combat Doctrines ability is split into three parts that take effect in different turns.

Stratagems

Fans of the classic Jink rule will be happy to know that it’s still alive and well among the 2nd Company’s forces, but if you can’t afford to Advance for that delicious 4+ invulnerable save it’s good to know High-Speed Focus has your back in a pinch. Trust the master movers of the Ravenwing to dodge enemy fire even when they’re standing still.

Y'all's need to be quicker.

Stands to reason that the Deathwing will have something similar, and that might also explain why they were specifically excluded from the general Dark Angel super doctrine.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'all's need to be quicker.

Stands to reason that the Deathwing will have something similar, and that might also explain why they were specifically excluded from the general Dark Angel super doctrine.

Anyone can make a post then go back and edit it to look like they did it first... Ah well I'm not fussed, be interesting to see if the Deathwing get some variation dependent on combat doctrine in play like the ravenwing.

Also, super interested in what the ravenwings tactical and assault buff will be (if there is one)

Interesting that you can advance (and gain jink 4++) and still fire as if assault in the Dev doctrine... That seems very powerful for first turn board control.

And likely deathwing gets bonus in assault doctrine

I may have misinterpreted that the ravenwing would get a different bonus in tac and assault as well, however it makes more sense than ravenwing get dev, greewning tactical and deathwing assault like you say.

It might be a nice army philosophy, style of play.

Ravenwing rush and grab objectives first turn, greewning arrive in tactical to secure and hold the objective line, deathwing arrive in the assault to counter any taken objectives and retake them... It synergises nicely

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'all's need to be quicker.

Stands to reason that the Deathwing will have something similar, and that might also explain why they were specifically excluded from the general Dark Angel super doctrine.

Anyone can make a post then go back and edit it to look like they did it first... Ah well I'm not fussed, be interesting to see if the Deathwing get some variation dependent on combat doctrine in play like the ravenwing.

Also, super interested in what the ravenwings tactical and assault buff will be.

Interesting that you can advance (and gain jink 4++) and still fire as if assault in the Dev doctrine... That seems very powerful for first turn board control.

I would assume that “Greenwing” get a tactical buff, ravenwing get devastator buff and death wing get an assault buff

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Alright, well, ask and ye shall receive.

Really hope we'll still have a decent way for transports (especially Impulsors, rather than just Land Raiders) to get the Deathwing keyword. My 1st company boys have sat on the shelf for years waiting to be fielded as a proper army. Almost time now...

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Also, super interested in what the ravenwings tactical and assault buff will be.

Nothing. They said the ability was split into three parts and we've seen two of them. The third part will almost certainly be a benefit to Deathwing during the Assault doctrine.

Alright, I feel a whole more confident that Ravenwing and Deathwing can play 9th ed from this reveal. The Dark Angel supplement obviously considered how 9th them and gave them tools to play the objective game.

In fact, I am starting to be impressed with the overall quality of the new codices and supplments. They seem to give the factions the elements to play more like I would think the faction would. While not being obviously more unbalanced that usual for GW. I hope the trend continues. I am now very interested to see how the Dark Eldar come out, and if they can also be given the tools to play much more like one would think. They are primed to do well as 9th values speed.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
Alright, I feel a whole more confident that Ravenwing and Deathwing can play 9th ed from this reveal. The Dark Angel supplement obviously considered how 9th them and gave them tools to play the objective game.

In fact, I am starting to be impressed with the overall quality of the new codices and supplments. They seem to give the factions the elements to play more like I would think the faction would. While not being obviously more unbalanced that usual for GW. I hope the trend continues. I am now very interested to see how the Dark Eldar come out, and if they can also be given the tools to play much more like one would think. They are primed to do well as 9th values speed.

They already hinted it would be easier to mix and match the three sub factions of dark eldar. So I am very excited to see how they will do that seeing these ravenwing rules.


I am also very much hoping more factions get this kind of specific army building buff (for example Wraith Host in craft worlds).

It seems that they toned down a bit the 'high speed focus', correct me if i'm wrong, but it used to affect any ravenwing unit, and now only a ravenwing vehicle unit.

 Spreelock wrote:
It seems that they toned down a bit the 'high speed focus', correct me if i'm wrong, but it used to affect any ravenwing unit, and now only a ravenwing vehicle unit.

The index only had a limited number of stratagems. I assume now there will be a wider range of strats that will specifically buff Bikers, but GW didn't want them to stack with High Speed Focus.

 M0ff3l wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
Alright, I feel a whole more confident that Ravenwing and Deathwing can play 9th ed from this reveal. The Dark Angel supplement obviously considered how 9th them and gave them tools to play the objective game.

In fact, I am starting to be impressed with the overall quality of the new codices and supplments. They seem to give the factions the elements to play more like I would think the faction would. While not being obviously more unbalanced that usual for GW. I hope the trend continues. I am now very interested to see how the Dark Eldar come out, and if they can also be given the tools to play much more like one would think. They are primed to do well as 9th values speed.

They already hinted it would be easier to mix and match the three sub factions of dark eldar. So I am very excited to see how they will do that seeing these ravenwing rules.

It could easily be done with another 3-part armywide ability, and a way to get free warlord traits for each sub-faction. There isn't really any need for them to take split detachments now that they're usually limited.

 Spreelock wrote:
It seems that they toned down a bit the 'high speed focus', correct me if i'm wrong, but it used to affect any ravenwing unit, and now only a ravenwing vehicle unit.

Looks like it is there to help Landspeeders and Aircraft who might not otherwise be able to use some of the other Ravenwing buffs? Hard to tell without the full reveal.

Very keen to see what happens to Inner Circle! And a little worried...

Well I’ll be darned. I didn't expect GW to embrace Ravenwing, and presumably Deathwing, armies this warmly. Good go, GW.

How tall are the deathwing Knights as far as sculpts go? Do they look tiny next to primaris or are they some of the taller terminator sculpts GW have made?

I remember them as fairly standard, to the point of swappable with the standard kit so you can spread some monastic hoods and cloth bits around.

Only terminators that might be slightly taller than standard that I can think of are custards and the new chaos termies, but I'm not sure on the latter

Abaddon303 wrote:
How tall are the deathwing Knights as far as sculpts go? Do they look tiny next to primaris or are they some of the taller terminator sculpts GW have made?

Do people think the inner circle will keep the always on transhuman?

Would be odd to give if you don't　intend it to be on codex.

That 2nd Company rule is pretty cool. I hope we see more like that in the future.

tneva82 wrote:
Would be odd to give if you don't　intend it to be on codex.

The BA index had a relic Crozius Arcanum which moved to Crusade rules for the actual release. The current Inner Circle is not safe from a similar fate.

Abaddon303 wrote:
How tall are the deathwing Knights as far as sculpts go? Do they look tiny next to primaris or are they some of the taller terminator sculpts GW have made?

The advantage of the deathwing terminator kits is that the legs and torso are separate, so that is one easy play to include green stuff to up their size (this is my idea at least).

Anyone else noticed the absolute terrible pic?

It looks like a a 8 year old let loose with photoshop for the first time..



They couldn't even be bothered to actually get those three models onto the same board and take a pic...
Dunno what it is but it just jarrs the hell out of me.

Yeah I noticed that. The Go-Kart is so squished.

I hope that photo is in the Codex.

I don’t know if it’s just the bad cut and paste, it the colors look photoshopped too, like they couldn’t bother to even paint the RW.

 Argive wrote:
Anyone else noticed the absolute terrible pic?

It looks like a a 8 year old let loose with photoshop for the first time..

Spoiler:

They couldn't even be bothered to actually get those three models onto the same board and take a pic...
Dunno what it is but it just jarrs the hell out of me.

I think its a couple things:
The old DA speeder looks washed out, like its an old pic and the new stuff was just dropped in with no color matching or even orienting them on the surfaces.

The new stuff, as usual, has excessively egregious 'edge highlighting,' to the point that every single edge was blocked out in pure white. The narrow 'diagonal' panels on the speeder look like striker strips from a matchbox, I can't tell if they were solid white and they did a single rough coat rather than the deep black everywhere else, or if its the lighting, but they look awful and rough, and a lot of the white lines are crooked
Whoever did the old speeder actually knew how to paint and contrast black properly, and went for a decent battle damage effect rather than 'chalk outlines on a blackboard'

The buggy is very photoshopped in. Not in a minimal effort was taken to place it on the terrain. That's probably also true of the new speeder, but since the base is out of frame, it doesn't matter as much. But its also zoomed and placed in a way that's eyegouging.
And the primaris stuff is also on top of the vague smoke effect, which makes them even less a part of the same picture.

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The picture with the Outriders has similar problems, but its less noticeable. You can see that the older bikes in the background are physically on the terrain
Oddly enough the Outriders all have spots red at the right edges of their tires, including the armor plate that covers the hubcap on the first one.- Either/Or may be right, the colors are photoshopped.

Hopefully all of the artwork is like this.....the rage would be intense. I mean, it would have looked normal with the goofy UM, but not the boys in black.


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endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'all's need to be quicker.

Stands to reason that the Deathwing will have something similar, and that might also explain why they were specifically excluded from the general Dark Angel super doctrine.

Anyone can make a post then go back and edit it to look like they did it first...

Sorry, the juvenile d*ck measuring posts belong in the Space Wolf thread, not here.

 Argive wrote:
Anyone else noticed the absolute terrible pic?

It looks like a a 8 year old let loose with photoshop for the first time..

Spoiler:

They couldn't even be bothered to actually get those three models onto the same board and take a pic...
Dunno what it is but it just jarrs the hell out of me.

I can't help but notice that the compressed ATV looks far cooler than the physical model. How embarrassing.

 Argive wrote:
Anyone else noticed the absolute terrible pic?

It looks like a a 8 year old let loose with photoshop for the first time..

They couldn't even be bothered to actually get those three models onto the same board and take a pic...
Dunno what it is but it just jarrs the hell out of me.

Or... what if the studio don't have a full Primaris Ravenwing collection and/or the photo was needed during peak lockdown? If these photos show up in the supplement then there's a decent chance they were needed last Spring when non-essential businesses were closed and GW were protecting their staff.

Wouldn't it be better to ask a staff member with Dark Angels to photo some of their collection, rather than to ask someone to break social distancing rules for a couple of marketing photos?

Doohicky wrote:
Do people think the inner circle will keep the always on transhuman?

It could be the third part of the DA combat doctrine. Deathwing Terminators / Inner Circle get the transhuman rule while assault doctrine is active.


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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/28/terminators-secure-objectives-with-new-deathwing-rules-for-dark-angels/

Oh boy oh boy oh boy

Strangely the article doesn't mention the assault doctrine, or explicitly confirm the Inner Circle rule is unchanged. However the latter is strongly implied as using Rites of Initiation will make a captain "even more durable"