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 Davespil wrote:
What are the odds that Outriders will become core and I can more than 3?

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Zero for the more than 3 aspect (they're already core). The datasheet in the SM codex already has the Ravenwing keyword, so they'll use that.

GW Japan just posted this:



I wonder if that means Series 4 is coming.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
GW Japan just posted this:



I wonder if that means Series 4 is coming.

Probably a date. Sakura blossoms start in mid-March.


I assume the marine has a skeleton stapled to him, not a horrifying baby arm.

I believe that's a purity seal, and I believe that's the Terminator Captain from series 2.

Maybe wave 4 will be something not Astartes, like say a variety of Eldar Aspect warriors with some psykers and an Autarch.

Not Marine ? HAhahahahahaha !!! Let's not get crazy now.

 Eldarain wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
What are the odds that Outriders will become core and I can more than 3?

They are already Core, but you will not be able to have more than 3 since they are not Troops. That won't change as this is a supplement to the codex, not a stand alone. They can get Obsec, but that's about it.

They get Obsec and if your warlord is from the detachment its command benefit is changed to +3, which they added so you could take an outrider detachment as if it were a battalion detachment. So you can take 6 Outrider Squads, but not more than 3 models per unit sadly.

They're talking about the rule of 3.

What if I took a detachment of DA with 3 squads of outriders and took a detachment of White Scars with 3 squads of outriders? Is that possible? So ticked off about the rule of three. I wanna field my biker gang!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe wave 4 will be something not Astartes, like say a variety of Eldar Aspect warriors with some psykers and an Autarch.

It's called space marine heroes isn't it?

 Davespil wrote:
What if I took a detachment of DA with 3 squads of outriders and took a detachment of White Scars with 3 squads of outriders? Is that possible?

The mere presence of White Scars models in your army would stop you using the DA 2nd Company rule, so no ObSec for your Ravenwing outriders and you'll be down 6CPs.

And it still doesn't get you round the Rule of 3 anyway.

I'm hoping for either Grey Knights or Deathwatch.

 Davespil wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
What are the odds that Outriders will become core and I can more than 3?

They are already Core, but you will not be able to have more than 3 since they are not Troops. That won't change as this is a supplement to the codex, not a stand alone. They can get Obsec, but that's about it.

They get Obsec and if your warlord is from the detachment its command benefit is changed to +3, which they added so you could take an outrider detachment as if it were a battalion detachment. So you can take 6 Outrider Squads, but not more than 3 models per unit sadly.

They're talking about the rule of 3.

What if I took a detachment of DA with 3 squads of outriders and took a detachment of White Scars with 3 squads of outriders? Is that possible? So ticked off about the rule of three. I wanna field my biker gang!

You want to field a biker gang?

Outriders, Bikers, Scout Bikers and - as I assume they'll be in the DA Supplement - Ravenwing Black Knights, not to mention an assortment of Ravenwing "On Bike" characters. And that's before we touch the Primario Karts and Attack Bikes.

That's 12 units of bikes, plus another 6 of trikes/karts, plus characters. You may even need more than one Outrider detachment, depending on just how many bikes you want to field.

If the problem is not being able to field enough Outriders, a better question is why you can't expand the squad by 3's - it isn't like this is the Holy Hand Grenade, where 4 is a dangerous number, and 5 is right out!

 Davespil wrote:

What if I took a detachment of DA with 3 squads of outriders and took a detachment of White Scars with 3 squads of outriders? Is that possible? So ticked off about the rule of three. I wanna field my biker gang!

One effect of 1 book + supplements is this is negated as the chapters share same datasheet. So no. You need to take regular bikes, black knights and scout bikes as well rather than just spam the best one.

Yeah, you will want black knights in there somewhere anyway assuming they are still good.

Just convert some outrider kits into black knights, hellblaster guns and some ravenwing upgrade sprues will work potentially, you'll keep the primaris aesthetic but also have most likely more effective bikes in a squad or two.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm hoping for either Grey Knights or Deathwatch.

Space marine plus lotus blossom, it's going to have some samurai/far east influence I think.

If they do what they should have done all along with the heroes kits, and that is pair them with really amazing and cool custom chapters, we could end up with a samurai chapter. An emperors spears heroes kit would be so bad ass for example.

Alternatively, if they are going to use the first founding chapters, including chaos, they should go to the extreme of those chapters, so BA should have been death company (could have been the ultimate opportunity to do death company terminators), the plague marines should have been one of the custom plague companies with flavour added relating to that. Heck, the ultramarines could have double down on the roman aesthetic with a custom honour guard/company command squad.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe wave 4 will be something not Astartes, like say a variety of Eldar Aspect warriors with some psykers and an Autarch.

It's called space marine heroes isn't it?

Probably needs it’s own thread, but..

Yeah. Thouasand Sons if they stay Chaos? Or if they are now going to Alternate.
Dark Angels or Soace wolves?
Or generic but moving to Primaris now?

And on the point of Eldar.
The parallel series Xenos Heroes? Let’s get that announced and released


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Also, does anyone know about the next Coins GW are doing?
Is there a DA one coming?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

All I can see is

Crusade rules preview

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/29/hunt-and-capture-the-fallen-with-the-dark-angels-new-crusade-rules/

 Spreelock wrote:
Crusade rules preview

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/29/hunt-and-capture-the-fallen-with-the-dark-angels-new-crusade-rules/

"None must know" is equal parts hilarious but also annoying (imo), since 90% of DA stories these days are "we were helping, but suddenly and mysteriously abandoned our allies." How many fallen can there be that every recent battle has them screwing over their allies?

As for the Space Marine Heroes, it does look like they'll be releasing the upcoming season in spring. It would be cool for them to do Deathwatch, and really customize the heroes for the specific chapters. Maybe something like Kill Team Cassius, but in actual Mark 10 armor. I'd even be happy with Deathwatch Primaris, since it would finally feature primaries models that were always intended to be for DW

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Spreelock wrote:
Crusade rules preview

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/29/hunt-and-capture-the-fallen-with-the-dark-angels-new-crusade-rules/

"None must know" is equal parts hilarious but also annoying (imo), since 90% of DA stories these days are "we were helping, but suddenly and mysteriously abandoned our allies." How many fallen can there be that every recent battle has them screwing over their allies?

As for the Space Marine Heroes, it does look like they'll be releasing the upcoming season in spring. It would be cool for them to do Deathwatch, and really customize the heroes for the specific chapters. Maybe something like Kill Team Cassius, but in actual Mark 10 armor. I'd even be happy with Deathwatch Primaris, since it would finally feature primaries models that were always intended to be for DW

None must know is funny in theory but in practice not likely people　trade doctrines/super doctrines and whatever other armies will get so you might end up using this besides for killing enemy.

It's good for crusade. It helps create narratives when DA fight other imperium factions, and also, sometimes you do take stuff to break doctrines if the narrative calls for it.

They also provide a specific example of something you can take that will not break doctrines, which is Inquisitors. And DA killing inquisitors for being nosy is definitely in character.

 xttz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

All I can see is

Lol.
Had to watch that movie a couple of days ago (my teenage lad's birthday choice) and looking back at the silhoutte had me spitting my coffee out in laughter.
Thank you for cheering my day up.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Spreelock wrote:
Crusade rules preview

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/29/hunt-and-capture-the-fallen-with-the-dark-angels-new-crusade-rules/

"None must know" is equal parts hilarious but also annoying (imo), since 90% of DA stories these days are "we were helping, but suddenly and mysteriously abandoned our allies." How many fallen can there be that every recent battle has them screwing over their allies?

As for the Space Marine Heroes, it does look like they'll be releasing the upcoming season in spring. It would be cool for them to do Deathwatch, and really customize the heroes for the specific chapters. Maybe something like Kill Team Cassius, but in actual Mark 10 armor. I'd even be happy with Deathwatch Primaris, since it would finally feature primaries models that were always intended to be for DW

It is fluffy actually, because Dark Angels avoid alliances if at all possible, one of the specific reasons to lump it and work with other factions is if they have the chance of getting their sweetest of nectar that is a chance of capturing one of the fallen.

So it's fairly common in terms of stories where they have allies to hear of the nipping off as soon as their objectives are complete or well, leave no witnesses in some instances, but the amount of times they do actually ally is limited and rare.

I have been completely out of the loop recently, have we had the price leaks on Saturday's releases yet?

I had an amusing realisation. A few days ago I was writing a list of new Primaris stuff to buy alongside this release, trying to work out what would be the best option to make legal Battalions again with the loss of Scouts, and work out which other new toys would be useful. At one point the list was over £100, but now it is much shorter and primarily driven just by having something new to paint rather than play games with.

The new detachment rules mean that even after losing my main Troops choice I can still make a viable army using the 2-3k pts worth of Deathwing that have spent most of the last 10 years sitting on a shelf.

It's funny considering how often you see people complaining about GW "forcing" them to buy new models, then they buff models that haven't seen the table outside Space Hulk games.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I have been completely out of the loop recently, have we had the price leaks on Saturday's releases yet?

zamerion wrote:
Erradicators 40e
storm speeder 55e
bladeguards 40e

psico necro 25e

 ImAGeek wrote:

£31.50, £42 and £21 from the price list I’ve seen.

During 8th I get the opportunity to almost complete my Greenwing that now amounts at almost 70 Marines.

9th is the time to paint the DW and RW

 Sasori wrote:

Sooooo

Does this mean Bladeguard will get the Inner Circle ability but not the keyword?

Or do units need to have both of those keywords to get the ability?

It looks like they will gain the ability, but not the keyword, if these leaks are correct.

So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

Take it up with the consolidationist donkey-caves that couldn't stand different Codexes being different Codexes.

Don't, however, blame the people who play the Chapters - they didn't chose this.

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

This isn't the place or thread to moan, go away.