Total War : Warhammer 3 - Thrones of Decay 4/30/24 Release Date

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**Argive**

nels1031 wrote:
Argive wrote:
Ok so I finally been able to put some time into the Kislev campaign... things going good finally getting some high-tier armies to play around with different builds.. and then bam. all my trade partners and allies who are the dwarfs I've kept around just turn on me..

What is up with the dwarfs just deciding they will go on a massive rampage and turn on you and everyone!?

Feels like such a "gotcha!" moment... just coz its the first time playing the campaign.. -_-
Like I get it.. but I'm just going to start a new campaign now coz I got completely blindsided.

Sounds like you didn’t uncheck the “Grudge too far” Endgame scenario when setting up a new campaign. I made the same mistake.

I feel like they need more options for end game scenarios. A Vermintide type scenario would be cool, for instance.

Yeah I didint know this was a thing...

I avoided all spoilers for the campaign..

**nels1031**

On a Khazrak One-eye campaign, set up my first herdstone and farmed as much Dread as I could before I performed the first ritual. Now with multiple armies to defend my one and only (so far) herdstone, Khazrak himself is doing the Old World tour, killing as many LL's as possible to get those sweet, sweet traits. Drycha first!

**Snrub**

Is collecting all the LLs actually feasible? It is of course possible, but it getting them all a reasonable goal? Game 3 seems like a nightmare for it.

I've been trying to do it in game 2 with Grimgor but keep losing LLs forcing me to restart. I think i'm up to run 6 or 7 now. So far my best run was I think turn 78 or 79.

The High Elves especially seem troublesome. Imrik seems to run afoul of someone quite often, although i'm not sure who as I don't go in that direction early. I'm guessing clan Eshin maybe? and Nagarythe tends to get offed by the Dark Elves reasonably quickly too. The beastmen factions tend to go missing pretty quickly, although they sometime return after being destroyed I think kind of like those savage orc tribes? I find it really hard to keep track of all the Skaven factions too.

Draycha though, despite being surrounded by people she seems intent on pissing off, holds her own really well.

**AllSeeingSkink**

In Warhammer 2 I collected all the Greenskin LL’s simply by playing as Grom, letting Grimgor steam roll everyone and gather all the LLs, then beat Grimgor.

Seems for most factions LL collecting in Warhammer 3 will be harder, though honestly I haven’t played much to know for sure.

**Mr Morden**

Snrub wrote:
Is collecting all the LLs actually feasible? It is of course possible, but it getting them all a reasonable goal? Game 3 seems like a nightmare for it.

I've been trying to do it in game 2 with Grimgor but keep losing LLs forcing me to restart. I think i'm up to run 6 or 7 now. So far my best run was I think turn 78 or 79.
The High Elves especially seem troublesome. Imrik seems to run afoul of someone quite often, although i'm not sure who as I don't go in that direction early. I'm guessing clan Eshin maybe? and Nagarythe tends to get offed by the Dark Elves reasonably quickly too. The beastmen factions tend to go missing pretty quickly, although they sometime return after being destroyed I think kind of like those savage orc tribes? I find it really hard to keep track of all the Skaven factions too.
Draycha though, despite being surrounded by people she seems intent on pissing off, holds her own really well.

Imrik has alot of Orc factions to deal with as well as undead and Nurgle - can be a lot to deal with.

**Argive**

Mr Morden wrote:
Snrub wrote:
Is collecting all the LLs actually feasible? It is of course possible, but it getting them all a reasonable goal? Game 3 seems like a nightmare for it.

I've been trying to do it in game 2 with Grimgor but keep losing LLs forcing me to restart. I think i'm up to run 6 or 7 now. So far my best run was I think turn 78 or 79.
The High Elves especially seem troublesome. Imrik seems to run afoul of someone quite often, although i'm not sure who as I don't go in that direction early. I'm guessing clan Eshin maybe? and Nagarythe tends to get offed by the Dark Elves reasonably quickly too. The beastmen factions tend to go missing pretty quickly, although they sometime return after being destroyed I think kind of like those savage orc tribes? I find it really hard to keep track of all the Skaven factions too.
Draycha though, despite being surrounded by people she seems intent on pissing off, holds her own really well.

Imrik has alot of Orc factions to deal with as well as undead and Nurgle - can be a lot to deal with.

The key to getting imrik for me in WHTW2 was always to send a noble to b-line for his area on T1 and try to confederate him as a priority confederating alistair/ alariel in the meantime as sometimes they get killed off by dark elves.

The alternative is to start as imrik and let Lothren confederate everyone and then just buy Tyrion off with all the money.

No idea about WH3 though. Havent played the elves in that yet.

**Mr Morden**

Argive wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Snrub wrote:
Is collecting all the LLs actually feasible? It is of course possible, but it getting them all a reasonable goal? Game 3 seems like a nightmare for it.

I've been trying to do it in game 2 with Grimgor but keep losing LLs forcing me to restart. I think i'm up to run 6 or 7 now. So far my best run was I think turn 78 or 79.
The High Elves especially seem troublesome. Imrik seems to run afoul of someone quite often, although i'm not sure who as I don't go in that direction early. I'm guessing clan Eshin maybe? and Nagarythe tends to get offed by the Dark Elves reasonably quickly too. The beastmen factions tend to go missing pretty quickly, although they sometime return after being destroyed I think kind of like those savage orc tribes? I find it really hard to keep track of all the Skaven factions too.
Draycha though, despite being surrounded by people she seems intent on pissing off, holds her own really well.

Imrik has alot of Orc factions to deal with as well as undead and Nurgle - can be a lot to deal with.

The key to getting imrik for me in WHTW2 was always to send a noble to b-line for his area on T1 and try to confederate him as a priority confederating alistair/ alariel in the meantime as sometimes they get killed off by dark elves.

The alternative is to start as imrik and let Lothren confederate everyone and then just buy Tyrion off with all the money.

No idea about WH3 though. Havent played the elves in that yet.

You can't buy confeds anymore I don't think.

I have managed to get him as Tyrion by doing as you suggest!

On both TW2 and TW3 he has a hard start IMO. Ironically Vortex start is a breeze.

**Argive**

Well I started an archaeon campaign.

I have to say, I really like the re-work. The whole upgrade units with experience mechanic is very thematic IMO and gives a proper campaign feel.
Still getting to grips with getting some some specific builds and understanding the path to glory mechanic.

I think the gifts you get from souls are a bit underwhelming.
However, the path to glory pay off also seems to be a bit meh.

Ive come across sigvald, can Archaon confederate?

Also, the quest teleport battles... really hard army comps you are up against!
any tips on getting through these ? It seems even with a really hard stack it is a challenge on paper.

Specialy one which has almost a whole stack of chaos nights as the second army.

Also, Can you have demon princes as lords or heroes ?

**Eumerin**

Be like Wurzog! More talking, less fighting!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1572620031904845825

A very short video clip. More silly than anything else, in celebration of the UN's International Day of Peace.

**nels1031**

Argive wrote:
Well I started an archaeon campaign.

I have to say, I really like the re-work. The whole upgrade units with experience mechanic is very thematic IMO and gives a proper campaign feel.
Still getting to grips with getting some some specific builds and understanding the path to glory mechanic.

I think the gifts you get from souls are a bit underwhelming.
However, the path to glory pay off also seems to be a bit meh.

Ive come across sigvald, can Archaon confederate?

Also, the quest teleport battles... really hard army comps you are up against!
any tips on getting through these ? It seems even with a really hard stack it is a challenge on paper.

Specialy one which has almost a whole stack of chaos nights as the second army.

Also, Can you have demon princes as lords or heroes ?

I'm not sure if the last patch added chaos confederations, but I have a mod that gives chaos the sort of "force confederation" mechanic that Norsca has. Defeat their LL and the faction folds with their LL and other immortal Heroes/Lords recruitable after a 5 turn wounded timer.

Regarding Archaon's quests, I tend to wait until I have a true elite army and just tank everything that comes. Aim for the leaders first, and try not to get bogged down by unbreakable stuff( Chaos Spawn). Just because the quest pops up, doesn't mean you have to do it right away. I also think they pop up much earlier then they did in WH2. Helps to plan it too, once you know how the scenario will play out. I had done it so many times in the past 2 games that it wasn't much of a surprise.

Regarding Demon Princes, I don't think I ever bit the bullet and made one as it seems like a downgrade to some builds or at best a side grade. Come to think of it, I think I did it once because I had two lords with the same face profile and it bothered me. Wasn't all that impressed and kind of bothered by the fact that he loses levels/skills.

I tended to keep the path to glory upgrades thematic. Never did any research on whats the best to min/max. Its fun, but I'm kind of disappointed that its pretty limited. No Tzeentch or Slaanesh exalted heroes? I get that a certain window is closed for Khorne (no magic!!!) but the others should have the option. Its fun little side quests to get them upgraded, if nothing else.

**Mr Morden**

Just killed Archaeon to finish Valkia's campaign

I found the souls situationally useful - especially daemons into the army. warbands are great - work hard, kill well and you will be rewarded.

Less Quests in TW3 - you often just get stuff that used to be (often interesting IMO) quest battles

**Argive**

Mr Morden wrote:

I found the souls situationally useful - especially daemons into the army. warbands are great - work hard, kill well and you will be rewarded.

Can you expand on this a bit? I feel like I'm missing something. So far the only use for souls I found was path of damnation and "the gift" mechanic.
How does this tie into demon hordes?

To Nels Point - How do you get to a demon prince? Is it a lord that needs to go through path of damnation?

I gather its likely no the optimal choice as a dragon lord is proly as good as it gets but more for flavour

**nels1031**

Argive wrote:

To Nels Point - How do you get to a demon prince? Is it a lord that needs to go through path of damnation?

I gather its likely no the optimal choice as a dragon lord is proly as good as it gets but more for flavour

Once a lord hits level 20+(or was it 30?), they can opt to become a demon prince.

I never found it very rewarding. You lose a lot of abilities/bonuses and the pay off just isn't immediate enough, particularly late in the game when everyone is fielding high end stuff. If it was more powerful but much more rare I'd be a fan, but it just doesn't work for me.

That's not to say that the math could pan out to be better as a Demon Prince, I never really did the deep research so don't take my opinion as authoritative.

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Argive wrote:

Can you expand on this a bit? I feel like I'm missing something. So far the only use for souls I found was path of damnation and "the gift" mechanic.
How does this tie into demon hordes?

Certain demon units are unlocked by the Gift of Chaos mechanic thing. The options to dedicate souls to particular gods aren't open to use until you've unlocked them through research.

**Mr Morden**

Argive wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:

I found the souls situationally useful - especially daemons into the army. warbands are great - work hard, kill well and you will be rewarded.

Can you expand on this a bit? I feel like I'm missing something. So far the only use for souls I found was path of damnation and "the gift" mechanic.
How does this tie into demon hordes?

To Nels Point - How do you get to a demon prince? Is it a lord that needs to go through path of damnation?

I gather its likely no the optimal choice as a dragon lord is proly as good as it gets but more for flavour

Only played Valkia and as she is tied to Khorne - you could use souls to gaint the ability to either enhance your killing power or summon deamons - both for armies and in battle. You have limits to the former.

If you get your Lords to a high enough level you get options including Dameon Prince but you don't have to take them

**Argive**

Can you gte greater demons as Archaons faction?

Havewnt figured out how to get shagoths or greater demons yet.

**Not Online!!!**

Argive wrote:
Can you gte greater demons as Archaons faction?

Havewnt figured out how to get shagoths or greater demons yet.

unaligned chaos god ritual Soul sacrifice thingy grants them in the gifted category.

**Mr Morden**

Argive wrote:
Can you gte greater demons as Archaons faction?

Havewnt figured out how to get shagoths or greater demons yet.

As Valkia they were gifts earned through Souls?

**AllSeeingSkink**

**Overread**

Darn it CA I already know I want a new processor!

**Snrub**

For someone who is reasonably tech-unsavvy, what did that video mean?

**Overread**

Most likely it means that they've optimised for a new processor architecture and thus boosted visual quality

**Mr Morden**

Snrub wrote:
For someone who is reasonably tech-unsavvy, what did that video mean?

Likely a version of the Labatory for TW3

Never enough DOOM-Wheels!

**Overread**

Also Intel launched their new 13th gen processor marketing about 3 or 4 days ago

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/13th-gen-core-launch.html#gs.e5x3td

And a game like TW Warhammer is just the kind of game that puts a lot of pressure on the processor.

**Argive**

I've seen the AMD 7000 adverts but no idea how much that is.
I'm still runnin on good ol kabylake I5

**AllSeeingSkink**

Overread wrote:
Most likely it means that they've optimised for a new processor architecture and thus boosted visual quality

More likely this is just TWW3's version of The Laboratory, which in TWW2 had some Intel tie in or sponsorship or something. If you go in to The Laboratory in TWW2, it says in the corner "powered by Intel" even if you happen to be running an AMD CPU, this will likely be the same.

I doubt CA would up the graphics quality for a new CPU generation (unless they were sitting on better settings already and were holding back because Intel was paying them lots of money, which I guess it possible).

**Argive**

Really enjoying the chaos campaign still!

Worked out the mechanics.

Biggest gripes is lack of confederation and also not being able to freely recruit Shagoths.

**Argive**

Started new campaign as Grimgor..
What even the hell... The upkeep is insane. I'm guessing you can only do Gobbo spam ?
Trying to figure out a good strategy.

**Mr Morden**

New Patch notes are out

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tww3-update-220/

Greetings, WARHAMMER fans! We hope you’re sitting comfortably, because Update 2.2 is here and it is, in technical parlance, a ‘whopper’!

It’s been a little over a month since our last big patch in the shape of Update 2.1, which served to fix some of the problems flagged up before our huge 2.0 release. But now we’re ploughing full speed ahead into the feedback we received after the launch of 2.0 and Immortal Empires, and this chunky ol’ update is the result!

Here are some of the highlights:

Changes to settlements and garrisons to reduce the frequency of settlement battles.
Additional flavour for some of the special settlement garrisons—including Karak 8 Peaks, Black Pyramid, Skavenblight and more—by allowing them to use additional units.
A character experience rebalance, reducing the importance of victory types and focusing on enemy unit destruction.
Tweaks to the victory objectives of several legendary lords, including those of the Lizardmen, High Elves and Empire.
A game mode split option has been added to ranked multiplayer, letting you join separate queues and giving you greater control of your online experience.
Adjustments to AI aggression, strategy and overall game difficulty.
Plus, monsters are invading the old world in the form of Regiments of Renown III, and a new endgame crisis brings ruin-death to all! Yes-yes…

As always, now that Update 2.2 is in your hands, we’ll be keeping a close eye on all your feedback as our thoughts turn to 2.3, so please make your voices heard on our official channels:

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Argive wrote:
Started new campaign as Grimgor..
What even the hell... The upkeep is insane. I'm guessing you can only do Gobbo spam ?
Trying to figure out a good strategy.

It was fine for me in TW2 as long as you fought often - unless its changed in TW3

**Argive**

Im not sure to be honest... The location kind of just sucks and the starting troop quality and no easy acess to magic sucks. Maybe I've been spoiled by chaos lol.

You have Suneater/chaos immediately to the north and attrition if you try to push in to remove them.

Maybe im just not aggressive enough.

**Mr Morden**

Argive wrote:
Im not sure to be honest... The location kind of just sucks and the starting troop quality and no easy acess to magic sucks. Maybe I've been spoiled by chaos lol.

You have Suneater/chaos immediately to the north and attrition if you try to push in to remove them.

Maybe im just not aggressive enough.

I've just finished Alarielle in TW2 so might give him a try in TW3 - he should play a bit like Valkia who I enjoyed

Had a quick go and seems to be ok - turn 4 I confederated the nearby orcs and now have 4 settlements and full stack of Boyz with a smaller stack starting to build - might try to push Kolek and try and get him done early but he has allies....