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They were also our prime source for understanding what was nasty in a new release.
Though the battle report on that channel reminds me just how badly Orks suffered in the flavour stakes in 3rd Ed.
Got some gorgeous new Ork Boyz, a kit which redefined what Orks looked like.
But took away Clans entirely.
Did you love your Grot artillery? Got a kick out of Squig Catapults, Hop Splat Field Guns, Pulsa Rokkots? Giggled maniacally whilst hurling Snotlings through the warp at your luckless foe? Lifta Droppa getting your opponent down? Pushing your luck with the Traktor Cannon?
Then you’re gonna love….erm….super static artillery which is like other people’s heavy weapons, but worse!
Warbikez! Except…worse BS and lighter guns!
It’s…it’s like the Grots lost control over the Elf’n’Safety Squig, and it proceeded to poop all over everything that made Orks really really fun.
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Yes that did generally happen to Orks, I think they lost so much character following 2nd edition and Epic Space Marine 2nd. In Epic especially it was so much fun having the different clan characters, behaving differently on the tabletop when they fell out of command and it was just a riot of different colours. Although you did then have to know your Spleenrippa, from your Bowelburna which was different again to a Scorcha!
Pacific wrote: Very cool. Possibly nostalgia, but I always thought the battle reps of that era were the best. Having several hundred words of text on a page explaining why they had chosen particular units and their battle plans was just awesome, I used to devour that stuff as a kid (actually still do if I look through an old mag!) I understand it probably doesn't have the same presentation appeal as modern equivalents, but I much preferred it.
I can't remember what issue number it was - 217 perhaps? - but there was a dark day towards the end of 2nd Ed (after the Sisters book had come out) where there was a Battle Report that consisted of two isometric photos of a table, and then a page with the two players explaining what went wrong/right with the battle.
I was so shocked that I went back to check if I'd somehow missed the "report" part of the battle report. Up until that point I used to get WD every month. I've bought maybe 15 issues in the 26 years since.
Yes I know the issue you mean and had exactly the same reaction! It was a shock!
Are you talking current or the changes from 2nd to 3rd+ because they still had stuff like those
.lifta droppa
.shunta
.rattler kannon
.supa gatla
.deff arsenal
.killkannon
.supa kannon
.krusha kannon
.deth kannon
.bursta kannon
.skullhamma kannon
.flakka gunz
they all just got moved over to forgeworld during that time period.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Popping this channel recommendation here, as it’s fairly new (just 4 videos) but the format is fun and presentation is decent. Reckon other SOGs will get a kick from it.
Literally just discovered this - I want the 90sbattlereoprt-o-matic.exe!
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Pacific wrote: Very cool. Possibly nostalgia, but I always thought the battle reps of that era were the best. Having several hundred words of text on a page explaining why they had chosen particular units and their battle plans was just awesome, I used to devour that stuff as a kid (actually still do if I look through an old mag!) I understand it probably doesn't have the same presentation appeal as modern equivalents, but I much preferred it.
I can't remember what issue number it was - 217 perhaps? - but there was a dark day towards the end of 2nd Ed (after the Sisters book had come out) where there was a Battle Report that consisted of two isometric photos of a table, and then a page with the two players explaining what went wrong/right with the battle.
I was so shocked that I went back to check if I'd somehow missed the "report" part of the battle report. Up until that point I used to get WD every month. I've bought maybe 15 issues in the 26 years since.
Ack. You ran into the dreaded White Dwarf pothole.
There was a run of about 6 White Dwarf issues--coinciding with the 2nd ed Sisters, Gorkamorka, Eldar Falcon and 5th ed WFB Realm of Chaos releases--where the magazine briefly dipped in quality. Well, I say 'briefly', but that's only because I collected those issues in retrospect. At the time it would have lasted half a year, and probably seemed like the death of the mag. Issues 212-217, I think it was. At the point when Jake Thornton was replaced with Paul Sawyer as editor, and the red/blue sidebar on the cover disappeared.
There seems to have been a period of confusion or rushed production, or maybe just experimentation, during the changeover that lasted several issues. Articles had less content and more marketing word salad, the layout got really 'extreme' and 'hey kids!!!' with jumbled boxouts and painfully coloured fonts, and the proofreading was even worse than usual. Especially 216, sheesh. If you read the editorial boxout at the start of each mag it seems to indicate that WD was in a 'caretaker' period for at least one issue, with neither Jake nor Paul at the helm.
Fortunately, by issue 218 (Digganob release), Paul Sawyer had apparently settled in properly and the quality rose again. The proper maps for the battle reports came back, the layout settled down, the content became more worthwhile again, and we saw the original Tale of Four Gamers series appear, amongst other things. White Dwarf had a great run from there all the way to the early 300s before it started to decline during 4th ed 40K. Though it bounced back and forth between the maps and the isometric photography. Quite a few battle reports in 3rd used the maps.
My subscription started with 218 (which has no fewer than three proper battle reports). When I went back to collect the earlier mags, I was shocked at how much worse the run immediately before it had been.
I remember when Kid Kyoto did retro reviews of 217 and 214, and said something like "See, White Dwarf was always a bit meh." I was like, "Aargh, no fair, you're in the pothole!"
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On Tale of Four Gamers? What really sold me on that, over other versions and revisits, were photos of Fat Bloke physically shopping for models with his kiddo.
The format otherwise remained pretty much the same. But those photos just made it that little bit more real - even though let’s face it, being staff Fat Bloke almost certainly would’ve bought via the hefty. “By Weight” staff discount of the time.
But appearances matter!
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: On Tale of Four Gamers? What really sold me on that, over other versions and revisits, were photos of Fat Bloke physically shopping for models with his kiddo.
The format otherwise remained pretty much the same. But those photos just made it that little bit more real - even though let’s face it, being staff Fat Bloke almost certainly would’ve bought via the hefty. “By Weight” staff discount of the time.
But appearances matter!
Those tale of 4 gamers felt human. Like the guys participating were just normal folks like you and the guys at the FLGS. Not company shills flogging the latest releases. Made it very enjoyable to follow their progress.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: On Tale of Four Gamers? What really sold me on that, over other versions and revisits, were photos of Fat Bloke physically shopping for models with his kiddo.
The format otherwise remained pretty much the same. But those photos just made it that little bit more real - even though let’s face it, being staff Fat Bloke almost certainly would’ve bought via the hefty. “By Weight” staff discount of the time.
But appearances matter!
Those tale of 4 gamers felt human. Like the guys participating were just normal folks like you and the guys at the FLGS. Not company shills flogging the latest releases. Made it very enjoyable to follow their progress.
The real budgetting was great too, it showed you what you could have if you saved up your pocket or paper round money each month, and how it was worth jumping on a train/bus to a nearby grand-reopening!
Regarding the video he mentions how the heavy weapon damage stat made multi-wound creatures a bit vulnerable on the 2nd edition battlefield. I always thought about it the other way, there are so few multi-wound creatures that 'cause more than one wound' weapons like plagueswords have very little benifit. The one I still can't work out today is power maces vs chain axes. For the extra points, how many circumstances does the D3 wounds actually give a benefit? And on a character with higher strength, the power maul is actually worse!
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: On Tale of Four Gamers? What really sold me on that, over other versions and revisits, were photos of Fat Bloke physically shopping for models with his kiddo.
The format otherwise remained pretty much the same. But those photos just made it that little bit more real - even though let’s face it, being staff Fat Bloke almost certainly would’ve bought via the hefty. “By Weight” staff discount of the time.
But appearances matter!
Those tale of 4 gamers felt human. Like the guys participating were just normal folks like you and the guys at the FLGS. Not company shills flogging the latest releases. Made it very enjoyable to follow their progress.
My favourite bit was Roy Barber (who had never played WFB before) basing and painting his first Skaven Clanrats regiment ... and then realising he hadn't tried ranking them up first, and they were all stabbing each other in the back because he'd used the wrong slots on the bases. And he'd used Araldite glue.
"Only 5lbs of plastic explosive would move them babies!"
A while later, when we Aussies started getting more locally written articles in our version of White Dwarf, we had our own 'Tale of 40K Gamers' collecting early 3rd ed armies: Imperial Fists (so much yellow ...), Sisters of Battle (plus shrine terrain), Eldar (very nicely painted) and Dark Eldar (with an ongoing storyline and a revolving door of leaders who kept getting bumped off by replacements). That one was also a big influence on me--started an Eldar army because of it.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: On Tale of Four Gamers? What really sold me on that, over other versions and revisits, were photos of Fat Bloke physically shopping for models with his kiddo.
The format otherwise remained pretty much the same. But those photos just made it that little bit more real - even though let’s face it, being staff Fat Bloke almost certainly would’ve bought via the hefty. “By Weight” staff discount of the time.
But appearances matter!
Those tale of 4 gamers felt human. Like the guys participating were just normal folks like you and the guys at the FLGS. Not company shills flogging the latest releases. Made it very enjoyable to follow their progress.
The real budgetting was great too, it showed you what you could have if you saved up your pocket or paper round money each month, and how it was worth jumping on a train/bus to a nearby grand-reopening!
Regarding the video he mentions how the heavy weapon damage stat made multi-wound creatures a bit vulnerable on the 2nd edition battlefield. I always thought about it the other way, there are so few multi-wound creatures that 'cause more than one wound' weapons like plagueswords have very little benifit. The one I still can't work out today is power maces vs chain axes. For the extra points, how many circumstances does the D3 wounds actually give a benefit? And on a character with higher strength, the power maul is actually worse!
Multi-wound really came into its own with the Tyranid Codex. Heavy Bolters were the natural bane of Tyranid Warriors, and could help take down Carnifex in concert with more suitable weapons.
Man I need to finish my Codex collection then see if I can find other Grognards to get some games in.
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Yesterday, I received my Cricut Maker 3. And I ordered bits and bobs to assemble a “Spooky Lantern”…which the Cricut will cut from 2mm Chipboard.
And I’ve some old White Dwarfs with terrain making templates, meant to be pin marked into foamcore…
Or…in the modern day? Turned into a SVG file, so other Cricut owners can churn out their own MDF-a-like terrain…..
Oh, and it can do different materials. Like card stock. For tiling and paving….
Such possibilities!
Turning pdfs to svg files can be a PitA if the pdfs are scanned pages, but it's not entirely unfeasible The idea itself is pure genius, but you'll probably need to fiddle around a bit until you get workable files.
I was never a competitive player, but I did always wonder why I didn't see more dreads. I thought they were the coolest when I startedin 2nd ed.
I still read my 2nd edition books, but now that I play Grimdark Future, it's great to see that Dreadnaughts appear to be properly fearsome. They aren't a bargain points-wise, but they're as tough and hard-hitting as they were meant to be. Maybe I should get around to painting up the metal dreads I've got sitting on the shelf...
Yesterday, I received my Cricut Maker 3. And I ordered bits and bobs to assemble a “Spooky Lantern”…which the Cricut will cut from 2mm Chipboard.
And I’ve some old White Dwarfs with terrain making templates, meant to be pin marked into foamcore…
Or…in the modern day? Turned into a SVG file, so other Cricut owners can churn out their own MDF-a-like terrain…..
Oh, and it can do different materials. Like card stock. For tiling and paving….
Such possibilities!
Turning pdfs to svg files can be a PitA if the pdfs are scanned pages, but it's not entirely unfeasible The idea itself is pure genius, but you'll probably need to fiddle around a bit until you get workable files.
Aha! But like a bad murder mystery, your deduction is wrong, because I’m all clever and withheld info. Specifically, my besterest mate in the whole wide world? He produces vector files…for a living. And he’s happy to trade the odd beer for the odd file.
What’s particularly exciting is with Cricut, I can mix and match the shapes - as can anyone with access to the file. So I’d need but a single window, wall, roof, floor, door etc. The person cutting then decides what bits they want, and can arrange them to fit as they see…..erm…fit!
So got the bits for the spooky lantern coming which will be my litmus test for how I feel the Cricut handles chipboard (because being able to do something, and do something well aren’t the same thing!)
Oh such fun can be had!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Gosh.
I could even..whisper it now….Kickstarter!
I mean I probably won’t like. But I could.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ooooooooooohhhhh.
For that Tudor Look? Same basic building shape, with the wooden bits overlaid as cardstock, or indeed more chipboard.
Might want to rough it up a bit with a craft knife for that rustic look, but again that’s gonna be part of the Eff Around And Find Out stage.
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Yesterday, I received my Cricut Maker 3. And I ordered bits and bobs to assemble a “Spooky Lantern”…which the Cricut will cut from 2mm Chipboard.
And I’ve some old White Dwarfs with terrain making templates, meant to be pin marked into foamcore…
Or…in the modern day? Turned into a SVG file, so other Cricut owners can churn out their own MDF-a-like terrain…..
Oh, and it can do different materials. Like card stock. For tiling and paving….
Such possibilities!
Turning pdfs to svg files can be a PitA if the pdfs are scanned pages, but it's not entirely unfeasible The idea itself is pure genius, but you'll probably need to fiddle around a bit until you get workable files.
Aha! But like a bad murder mystery, your deduction is wrong, because I’m all clever and withheld info. Specifically, my besterest mate in the whole wide world? He produces vector files…for a living. And he’s happy to trade the odd beer for the odd file.
What’s particularly exciting is with Cricut, I can mix and match the shapes - as can anyone with access to the file. So I’d need but a single window, wall, roof, floor, door etc. The person cutting then decides what bits they want, and can arrange them to fit as they see…..erm…fit!
So got the bits for the spooky lantern coming which will be my litmus test for how I feel the Cricut handles chipboard (because being able to do something, and do something well aren’t the same thing!)
Oh such fun can be had!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Gosh.
I could even..whisper it now….Kickstarter!
I mean I probably won’t like. But I could.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ooooooooooohhhhh.
For that Tudor Look? Same basic building shape, with the wooden bits overlaid as cardstock, or indeed more chipboard.
Might want to rough it up a bit with a craft knife for that rustic look, but again that’s gonna be part of the Eff Around And Find Out stage.
Between that, and the new innovations in 3d-printed decals that is slowly gaining traction, terrain building will get insane in the near future.
I’m particularly chuffed with this. Because let’s be honest, painting skills and the level of competition have kept paced with the miniatures having greater sculpted detail etc.
So to see some golden oldies painted to the modern competition standard? Yeah. It’s heartening. And some of them look truly great, especially when you realise just how much of a comparative blank canvas some of the models are.
Anyone who enjoys anything Oldhammer needs to be following this YouTuber.
I’m not them (the hint is competence being displayed) and I don’t know. I just greatly appreciate them.
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I tried to make some terrain templates for buildings and such for a Cricut but gave up. It is not as easy as you would hope, but I had a steep Cricut learning curve and very little time to work on it.
I am sure you will have better luck than me. I look forward to your success, and using it for my own Cricut!
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