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the_scotsman wrote:

wict01 wrote:
So some tentative hope for previews this week, although the video only really mentions a sneak peek at "the lore"......

can't wait to see how the drukhari story - I mean, the Adsrubael Vect Story, who is still most of who the lore is about and who we still have no model for - evolves from here.

Get yourselves comfortable, kids, Uncle Vipoid is about to give you a preview of the Dark Eldar storyline:

It begins with the most epic of battles - Adsrubael Vect is playing off against a comparable Space Marine mind, specifically Primaris Lieutenant #1346.

(Of course, to help plug GW's most recent tie-in, the two are playing a game of Magic the Gathering.)

Naturally, Vect was playing mono-black control, his minions many, his kill-spells apparently infinite.

But Primaris Lieutenant #1346 fought back hard. He'd taken heavy losses, losing two units of Intercessors, a squad of Hellblasters(TM), and all his Rievers(TM). But thanks to Protection from Black, he now had two Dreadnoughts(TM) and a Veteran Eliminator(TM) squad still on the board. Vect was clearly on the backfoot. With his Emperor's War Cry Sorcery, Primaris Lieutenant #1346 was all set to deliver the final blow.

But then, Vect reveals his masterstroke - Quicken! Allowing him to play Damnation even during Primaris Lieutenant #1346's turn, and obliterating his entire board.

'Damn,' thought the Lieutenant. 'But it would take a mad genius to play a blue spell in a mono-black deck!'

And it was clear Vect had been just waiting for this opportunity, for only now did he begin to play his Ravager(TM) and Trueborn(TM) cards.

'Wait!' cried Primaris Lieutenant #1346. 'I see your game, Vect, you're cheating. Trueborn isn't even a real card!'

To emphasise the point, Primaris Lieutenant #1346 snatched up Vect's Trueborn(TM?) card and hastily devoured it (or at least mashed it fervently against his helmet).

'No matter,' Vect said with an amused shrug. 'My Ravager(TM) cards have more than enough firepower to finish you off anyway. Now, attack!'

In a gesture that should probably have been accompanied by dramatic music, Vect leaned down and turned the Ravager(TM) cards sideways, to indicate that they were, in fact, attacking.

'Hah!' Primaris Lieutenant #1346 cried, triumphantly. 'Now it's you who've fallen into my trap! I will block one of your Ravagers(TM) with my Cawl(TM) card!'

'What? Impossible! Cawl(TM) is a red card and you have no red mana. No mana at all, in fact!'

'Exactly! I might not have mana, but you have the capacity to make any colour of mana. And you just played Cawl(TM) to my side of the field!'

'What? No! How could I have been so foolish!'


Will Cawl(TM) be enough to save Primaris Lieutenant #1346 from Vect's diabolical deck?

Visit Warhammer Community tomorrow for the thrilling conclusion!

 vipoid wrote:

Visit Warhammer Community tomorrow for the thrilling conclusion!

Cawl and the Lieutenant triumph but it turns out Vect's plan was to lose all along. Why? Well that might be revealed in the future (but probably not).

Could join in the bitterness - oh lets do it.

Tbh I hate Vect. I've hated him from 3rd edition. He's just this narrative blackhole which Dark Eldar can't escape - and all other characterisation - and indeed characters - are slowly leached into the void to try and make a guy who isn't even in game seem vaguely awesome to 12 year old edge lords.

Hoping Malys just shanks him, turns him into a table and that its, no more Vect. She then turns to the camera and says "If you want a 2 inch archon model on a massive, impossible to transport mega-Tantalus diorama, why shouldn't it be me."

Tyel wrote:
Could join in the bitterness - oh lets do it.

Tbh I hate Vect. I've hated him from 3rd edition. He's just this narrative blackhole which Dark Eldar can't escape - and all other characterisation - and indeed characters - are slowly leached into the void to try and make a guy who isn't even in game seem vaguely awesome to 12 year old edge lords.

Hoping Malys just shanks him, turns him into a table and that its, no more Vect. She then turns to the camera and says "If you want a 2 inch archon model on a massive, impossible to transport mega-Tantalus diorama, why shouldn't it be me."

All joking aside, I don't disagree about Vect.

I don't mind him still being alive, but surely there are plenty of interesting stories that don't involve him?

So what you’re saying, is that Vect is sucking the soul out of the DE?

Seems legit.

The 20th of March as pre-order date for the codex has been confirmed in the WarCom article today.

I also hate Vect. He just seems like a massive Mary Sue character.

He's where he belongs....a simple stratagem.

Tyel wrote:
Could join in the bitterness - oh lets do it.

Tbh I hate Vect. I've hated him from 3rd edition. He's just this narrative blackhole which Dark Eldar can't escape - and all other characterisation - and indeed characters - are slowly leached into the void to try and make a guy who isn't even in game seem vaguely awesome to 12 year old edge lords.

Hoping Malys just shanks him, turns him into a table and that its, no more Vect. She then turns to the camera and says "If you want a 2 inch archon model on a massive, impossible to transport mega-Tantalus diorama, why shouldn't it be me."

Yeah, he's just the classic old-GW special character "He's like *insert generic HQ here* but the *insert generic HQ*IEST ONE OF THEM ALL!!!!!"

.....all the remaining Drukhari characters are like that, sadly, except for Drazar, who wears real armor and actually fights good.

It's just endlessly funny to me that he's so fething pumped up and he literally has not existed in the game for going on SEVENTEEN YEARS. yet they keep writing gak about him!

The 8th edition update of the dark eldar storyline was:

-Huge hole in Comorragh, vect declares some kind of martial law or something cruel or something to maintain order
-Vect gets assassinated
-Vect invites a bunch of archons and stuff to his funeral, reveals his deception, eats their souls, becomes SUPER UBER VECT (no you don't even get a piece of art to depict that, someone might make a third party model)
-Vect declares himself the living reincarnation of badass awesomesauce god of dark eldar

So....what was up with all the other drukhari, like maybe the ones we have models for, you ask?

-Lelith is still following yvraine around. No, you can't bring her in a Ynnari detachment, IDIOT, why would you be allowed to do that?
-Urien is ordering a bunch of his monstrous creations to go...do...something. Thrilling.
-Drazar is doing nothing. At the time he was still a finecrap lump, so he didn't get any storyline.

It's beyond bizarre that the dark eldar lore has been "The Tale of Sir Not Appearing In This Film" for so long. If you had a child when GW decided to squat vect's rules and leave him still the protagonist of seemingly every scrap of drukhari lore, that child would now literally be able to drive and die in war.


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 Souleater wrote:
I also hate Vect. He just seems like a massive Mary Sue character.

Can you really call someone a mary sue in 40k lore terms if he literally never appears anywhere or fights anybody or does anything except lord over some weird little corner of the galaxy that never seems to impact anything in the narrative and nobody else ever interacts with?

 Souleater wrote:
I also hate Vect. He just seems like a massive Mary Sue character.

Some Special Characters in 40k seem to be just a heightened version of the same archetype as the unit they’re built on. Vect, for instance, fits perfectly into the archetype of the archon; scheming overlord that has plots within plots. Just More so than any other. Nothing in his character ventures outside of the established archetype (neither in story or in rules).
Lelith is the same, but for wyches. Urien the same for Harmonculi.

To me the most interesting SCs are the once who stand out from the archetype in some way.
Necrons got a prtty interesting set of SCs in their 5ed ’Dex, because most of them were Necron Lords. So to distinguish them from one another they had to actually write actual Characters.
The same reason is, I think, why Malys and Sliscus are both so much more interesting as People than Vect, who is more an abstract idea, or the embodiment of a concept, than an actual, relatable, person.

the_scotsman wrote:

Tyel wrote:
Could join in the bitterness - oh lets do it.

Tbh I hate Vect. I've hated him from 3rd edition. He's just this narrative blackhole which Dark Eldar can't escape - and all other characterisation - and indeed characters - are slowly leached into the void to try and make a guy who isn't even in game seem vaguely awesome to 12 year old edge lords.

Hoping Malys just shanks him, turns him into a table and that its, no more Vect. She then turns to the camera and says "If you want a 2 inch archon model on a massive, impossible to transport mega-Tantalus diorama, why shouldn't it be me."

Yeah, he's just the classic old-GW special character "He's like *insert generic HQ here* but the *insert generic HQ*IEST ONE OF THEM ALL!!!!!"

.....all the remaining Drukhari characters are like that, sadly, except for Drazar, who wears real armor and actually fights good.

It's just endlessly funny to me that he's so fething pumped up and he literally has not existed in the game for going on SEVENTEEN YEARS. yet they keep writing gak about him!

The 8th edition update of the dark eldar storyline was:

-Huge hole in Comorragh, vect declares some kind of martial law or something cruel or something to maintain order
-Vect gets assassinated
-Vect invites a bunch of archons and stuff to his funeral, reveals his deception, eats their souls, becomes SUPER UBER VECT (no you don't even get a piece of art to depict that, someone might make a third party model)
-Vect declares himself the living reincarnation of badass awesomesauce god of dark eldar

So....what was up with all the other drukhari, like maybe the ones we have models for, you ask?

-Lelith is still following yvraine around. No, you can't bring her in a Ynnari detachment, IDIOT, why would you be allowed to do that?
-Urien is ordering a bunch of his monstrous creations to go...do...something. Thrilling.
-Drazar is doing nothing. At the time he was still a finecrap lump, so he didn't get any storyline.

It's beyond bizarre that the dark eldar lore has been "The Tale of Sir Not Appearing In This Film" for so long. If you had a child when GW decided to squat vect's rules and leave him still the protagonist of seemingly every scrap of drukhari lore, that child would now literally be able to drive and die in war.

You can drive and enlist at 7 in your home state?

the_scotsman wrote:

Yeah, he's just the classic old-GW special character "He's like *insert generic HQ here* but the *insert generic HQ*IEST ONE OF THEM ALL!!!!!"

.....all the remaining Drukhari characters are like that, sadly, except for Drazar, who wears real armor and actually fights good.

Except not well enough to avoid getting killed off and having someone else take his armour.

Truly Dark Eldar characters are a force to be reckoned with.

the_scotsman wrote:

The 8th edition update of the dark eldar storyline was:

-Huge hole in Comorragh, vect declares some kind of martial law or something cruel or something to maintain order
-Vect gets assassinated
-Vect invites a bunch of archons and stuff to his funeral, reveals his deception, eats their souls, becomes SUPER UBER VECT (no you don't even get a piece of art to depict that, someone might make a third party model)
-Vect declares himself the living reincarnation of badass awesomesauce god of dark eldar

It's rather a shame, as Vect getting assassinated for real would have almost certainly been more interesting, as other Archons battled to succeed him and maintain control of their fiefdoms.

Could also have opened the possibility of certain Archons breaking Vect's rules - e.g. by courting daemons, by employing psykers or learning psychic powers themselves etc..

Basically the perfect opportunity for the rebirth of the faction.

Alas.


Incidentally, does anyone actually like Vect as a character?

In order to avoid the dishonor of being wrong on the internet and to pretend my brain didnt mix up 2013 and 2003, I will say "yes" and claim that I live in Kyrgyzstan.

 vipoid wrote:
It's rather a shame, as Vect getting assassinated for real would have almost certainly been more interesting, as other Archons battled to succeed him and maintain control of their fiefdoms.

Could also have opened the possibility of certain Archons breaking Vect's rules - e.g. by courting daemons, by employing psykers or learning psychic powers themselves etc..

Basically the perfect opportunity for the rebirth of the faction.

This basically.

I mean I wouldn't mind if things moved on. Okay Vect's become a living muse? Fine, what does that mean? Okay well fluff wise Dark Eldar have rediscovered religion - and here's a bunch of new religion inspired DE units for you to collect and play with.

I just find it strange because maybe personal taste - but the 2011ish release still holds up. The DE range is excellent. It really therefore shouldn't be hard to breathe a bit of life into it and GW make mad bank. Those molds were paid off in the dark ages of technology.

Is it normal for a codex to be up for pre order in 3 weeks and so far only 2 things have been released about it? the changes to statlines and the how to die in commoragh?

Seems pretty sudden with no build up.

So much could have been done for them, a fracturing of the kabals into their own kingdoms inside the webway where there are shades of black rather than just all black on black.

It just seems like they are putting 0% effort in.

Now the cynicism says this is no surprise, it's just really sad that GW are absolutely unabashedly being public about how little they care about anything non marine.

 Hellebore wrote:
Is it normal for a codex to be up for pre order in 3 weeks and so far only 2 things have been released about it? the changes to statlines and the how to die in commoragh?

Seems pretty sudden with no build up.

So much could have been done for them, a fracturing of the kabals into their own kingdoms inside the webway where there are shades of black rather than just all black on black.

It just seems like they are putting 0% effort in.

Now the cynicism says this is no surprise, it's just really sad that GW are absolutely unabashedly being public about how little they care about anything non marine.

This is basically where we were at with DG and DA this far out from release. I was just hoping i guess naively that the march release slot would be in my hands later than....oh, with GW shipping times, let's say late april...

Hey, at least when the embargo breaks I can just copy/paste the whole 'dex from a youtube review, thus teaching me to never buy things from GW again.

 Hellebore wrote:
Is it normal for a codex to be up for pre order in 3 weeks and so far only 2 things have been released about it? the changes to statlines and the how to die in commoragh?

Somewhat normal, but the delayed schedule is throwing it off.
Its a bit weird since they did the Incubi statlines and codex cover back in November before they decided on the delay, and the christmas preview with the Lelith Vs Sisters Lieutenant battle box doesn't help either. From the framework of the Christmas article especially, it seemed like the box was coming around the Hedonite release (the second half of which was shown off in the same article). The incubi/cover preview was with Sigvald and a couple Hedonite units, the Chaos Underworlds warband and the Van Saar hoverboards.
So I think the original plan was for it to be out by now.

And there is also the War Zone Charadon book, which I don't think we've heard _anything_ about since the end of november. But it will somehow have even more Dark eldar rules, as well as Death Guard, Ad Mech and Imperial Knights. Which thinking about it, puts those last two pretty high on the 'will be next' docket. It'd be weird for them to get new rules before an updated codex.

It was definitely going to be an end of january/early February release. The original schedule seemed to be 2 per month before delays.

It's a shame. Vect could be another Silent King-style centrepiece miniature. Make the Dias of Destruction really something worth the name, and give him tons of baroque platforms for chained slaves of all races ('cept maybe 'Nids... that wouldn't work).

But no. Here's another Lilith and (probably) wargear options based upon the assembly instructions instead. Enjoy!

Voss wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
Is it normal for a codex to be up for pre order in 3 weeks and so far only 2 things have been released about it? the changes to statlines and the how to die in commoragh?

Somewhat normal, but the delayed schedule is throwing it off.
Its a bit weird since they did the Incubi statlines and codex cover back in November before they decided on the delay, and the christmas preview with the Lelith Vs Sisters Lieutenant battle box doesn't help either. From the framework of the Christmas article especially, it seemed like the box was coming around the Hedonite release (the second half of which was shown off in the same article). The incubi/cover preview was with Sigvald and a couple Hedonite units, the Chaos Underworlds warband and the Van Saar hoverboards.
So I think the original plan was for it to be out by now.

And there is also the War Zone Charadon book, which I don't think we've heard _anything_ about since the end of november. But it will somehow have even more Dark eldar rules, as well as Death Guard, Ad Mech and Imperial Knights. Which thinking about it, puts those last two pretty high on the 'will be next' docket. It'd be weird for them to get new rules before an updated codex.

Back in November during the Decadence & Decay Preview we learned about all of these with Codex Supplement Dark Angels being stated as coming out in early January. That means Codex Drukhari were due out either in late January or early February.

Instead we are waiting for a late March release of Codex Drukhari after a February release fo Dark Angels. We don't even know what is coming out next, which is surprising. No word on War Zone Charadon or hints about the next codexes (possibly Adeptus Mechanicus & Imperial Knights based on Charadon factions).

We've seen updated box art for admech. I'd put them next in line, with Orks and Sisters coming along after.

Regarding the Vect problem they just need to create more proper power players in the city to rival him. He will lose a lot of his overwhelming power if you have other big type Drukhari vying for power. Like if Vraesque Malidrach becomes powerful enough to rival him then Vect won't feel as oppressive.

Regarding the release schedule I think we will have to suffer weirdness in it due to the plague. Although to be fair my wallet is sighing in relief over the sparse release schedule.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's a shame. Vect could be another Silent King-style centrepiece miniature. Make the Dias of Destruction really something worth the name, and give him tons of baroque platforms for chained slaves of all races ('cept maybe 'Nids... that wouldn't work).

But no. Here's another Lilith and (probably) wargear options based upon the assembly instructions instead. Enjoy!

That would be cool but no we need a nid slave as well. With a princess leia slave girl outfit, make it a genestealer with many boobs. Yes the evil must flow !

 Eldarsif wrote:
Regarding the Vect problem they just need to create more proper power players in the city to rival him. He will lose a lot of his overwhelming power if you have other big type Drukhari vying for power. Like if Vraesque Malidrach becomes powerful enough to rival him then Vect won't feel as oppressive.

I mean, we have those already - it wouldn't take much twisting of the lore for Archons like Malys, Aestra, or even Vraesque and Thyndrak to challenge Vect one way or the other. That the potential political intrigue has been minimized in favour of The Asdrubael Vect Show is a damned shame but it's not necessary at all.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
We've seen updated box art for admech. I'd put them next in line, with Orks and Sisters coming along after.

I'd put Sisters before AdMech. They're supposed to get the Palatine in the Drukhari/SoB battle box.

I dont want to see some rival for Vect. I like him as a Lord Vetinari level ruler of the Dark Eldar. But I could see the fluff expanding with Dark Eldar society starting to fracture in ways that Vect can't manipulate due to increasing influence of the Ynnari.

A new vect model would be grand, but what the range needs, rather badly, is variety. Give jetbikes to archons, skyboards to succubi.

 Leth wrote:
It was definitely going to be an end of january/early February release. The original schedule seemed to be 2 per month before delays.

Since we can be fairly sure gw didn't swap orders and just delay january. January was clearly said to have xenos　codex

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A new vect model would be grand, but what the range needs, rather badly, is variety. Give jetbikes to archons, skyboards to succubi.

At this point I'll just be grateful if we get plastic Grotesques. That's how badly GW has treated Drukhari.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A new vect model would be grand, but what the range needs, rather badly, is variety. Give jetbikes to archons, skyboards to succubi.

At this point I'll just be grateful if we get plastic Grotesques. That's how badly GW has treated Drukhari.

I thought we already had plastic grotesques?

Just for some reason GW perpetually mislabels them as Crypt Horrors.