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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

jivardi wrote:
Glad to see the $170 on the Piety, though unironically even though I play Sisters I really don't need/want any of the Sisters except Palatine and I'll just buy her seperate on ebay. The Drukhari half and the combat patrol box wouldn't be a bad start to an army.

Can anyone remember how much the Eldar/Dark Eldar box was, for comparison's sake?

fething 240$ if I remember correctly.

chaos0xomega wrote:
It could also be them pricing in logistics. Books are printed in China and with the global container shortage that has coincided with COVID the cost of overseas freight has skyrocketed. Pricing up accessory companion books might be their way of preserving margins or making up for losses, as its less likely to provoke backlash than if they upped codex prices ("What do you mean my Drukhari codex costs $60?? Space Marines only paid $50!"). Could also be hiked because of warehousing costs if these books are a product that GW ended up sitting on for some time.because of the delayed release schedule too.

Yeah, I don't believe that for a second. GW doesn't believe in this thing called "losses". Especially not for non-essentials like books.

Cronch wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
It could also be them pricing in logistics. Books are printed in China and with the global container shortage that has coincided with COVID the cost of overseas freight has skyrocketed. Pricing up accessory companion books might be their way of preserving margins or making up for losses, as its less likely to provoke backlash than if they upped codex prices ("What do you mean my Drukhari codex costs $60?? Space Marines only paid $50!"). Could also be hiked because of warehousing costs if these books are a product that GW ended up sitting on for some time.because of the delayed release schedule too.

Yeah, I don't believe that for a second. GW doesn't believe in this thing called "losses". Especially not for non-essentials like books.

Thats exactly my point. Thats why the books cost more.

Yes, but you implied they'd do it to keep the price of codexes down. Which never been the case, they'd just up the price of both. After all, they are Premium Brand...

 Eldarsif wrote:
I believe Blood of the Phoenix was GW testing what price they could get away with. Then, after the backlash, they started lowering the price to find the sweet spot where they could extract the most out of its userbase.

A part of me believes the Rust campaign book is them trying to find the price band where they can sell the book at maximum profit. Because as someone said 96 pages for 60$ is nuts.

Honestly people should take a stand here and not buy it. Especially not if you're just after a few pages. I'm not condoning piracy, but I'm also not condoning not-piracy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I was such a big advocate for GW doing campaign book releases.

Had I know where it would lead I never would have said a word.

Same here - I loved Shield of Baal - the art especially and that the rules and lore were seperate books.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Cronch wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
It could also be them pricing in logistics. Books are printed in China and with the global container shortage that has coincided with COVID the cost of overseas freight has skyrocketed. Pricing up accessory companion books might be their way of preserving margins or making up for losses, as its less likely to provoke backlash than if they upped codex prices ("What do you mean my Drukhari codex costs $60?? Space Marines only paid $50!"). Could also be hiked because of warehousing costs if these books are a product that GW ended up sitting on for some time.because of the delayed release schedule too.

Yeah, I don't believe that for a second. GW doesn't believe in this thing called "losses". Especially not for non-essentials like books.

Thats exactly my point. Thats why the books cost more.

GW seem to be shifting their printing to the UK, the Necron codex is the first I've seen that was printed here rather than in China.

This is no longer a price point where I can justify buying that book.

If the fluff part was good, I would understand, but I think we all know how PA went in that regard.

Nope thanks.

Preview Article up
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 Daedalus81 wrote:


Honestly people should take a stand here and not buy it. Especially not if you're just after a few pages. I'm not condoning piracy, but I'm also not condoning not-piracy.

Don't disagree, but I wonder how effective that strategy really is. 3rd party sales (I.E. independent retailers) make up a pretty significant chunk of GWs distribution channels (I calculate ~55-56% of sales by revenue, based on their most recent financial report). Many indy stores order new release inventory blind (i.e. no pre-orders or sales commitments behind them, they just get them in stock with the expectation that the demand exists). I assume GW doesn't really track what happens to these items once the indy stores get them - effectively speaking this is an item that GW has sold, regardless of whether or not an actual customer takes possession of it. I guess they would probably recognize poor sales if inventory allocated to direct online and retail sales doesn't move, but it kinda begs the question of how closely they monitor these things and what their expected sales thresholds, etc. are.

Also, the truth is that the segment of the community that is active online seems to be in the minority when it comes to price (in)elasticity. Despite all the complaints about Blood of the Phoenix, for example, all the local stores still managed to find a way to sell out of it within a couple of weeks, and it didn't last online for much longer. Likewise, the Pariah Nexus Kill Team box evaporated from GWs online store on release day. Buying GW product from GW directly is the most expensive way you can interact with the hobby, and yet there is clearly still a volume of people who are buying GW products from GWs direct sales channels... but those people seem to be a rarity in the online community (if we did a poll on dakka I would be surprised if more than a quarter of dakkites would admit to purchasing direct from GW on the reg). Basically - I don't think organizing a boycott will be effective, because evidently theres a lot of folks out there who will pay whatever GW asks.

Talking about Drukhari rumors, here is the latest WarCom article.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/16/we-raided-codex-drukhari-and-found-7-rules-youll-want-to-see/?fbclid=IwAR3jdlPLq5jdwy9dQTGCutHTlMlpyRXDv3Sc2BsKlczJXws3wqKhfy4_8cQ

Feel no Pain is gone and replaced with a 6++ invuln save that improves to 5++ on turn 4.

Also, without having direct access to the rules it appears you are not limited to having to select one from each Combat Drug.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Despite all the complaints about Blood of the Phoenix, for example, all the local stores still managed to find a way to sell out of it within a couple of weeks, and it didn't last online for much longer.

You sure about that? It was still on sale on the GW website for months after its release. Same for various independent stores. A number of newer battle boxes came and went whilst it was still on sale. That box was not a success compared to all the others.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Despite all the complaints about Blood of the Phoenix, for example, all the local stores still managed to find a way to sell out of it within a couple of weeks, and it didn't last online for much longer.

You sure about that? It was still on sale on the GW website for months after its release. Same for various independent stores. A number of newer battle boxes came and went whilst it was still on sale. That box was not a success compared to all the others.

My store ordered very few copies as they knew it wouldn't sell well. Managed to sell all copies eventually, but only because they didn't order that many. Contrast that with all the other dual boxes(and Lumineth box) and my store ordered a lot that sold out very quickly.


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chaos0xomega wrote:

Likewise, the Pariah Nexus Kill Team box evaporated from GWs online store on release day.

To be fair GW did lock a few units a lot of people were waiting for and all in all the box was at the same price as other boxes. The difference with BotP is that BotP had a lot of dead weight units that were ticking up the price and even I couldn't justify getting more scourges, vypers, and Falcons for the collection. At least with Pariah you are getting all new units at most likely their normal prices.

(I didn't buy Pariah as I couldn't justify the cost as I am not playing Space Marines currently and Necrons are on hold)

 Imateria wrote:
GW seem to be shifting their printing to the UK, the Necron codex is the first I've seen that was printed here rather than in China.

Are they? If that is the case I'm a little more open to cost increases.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
GW seem to be shifting their printing to the UK, the Necron codex is the first I've seen that was printed here rather than in China.

Are they? If that is the case I'm a little more open to cost increases.

That was part, supposedly, of what the new manufacturing facility would be able to do.

I really like that we are getting trueborns back even if there is no sign that they will get more special weapons. A 2+ to hit for having a Master Archon makes special and heavy weapons slightly more appealing.

This article seems to have been largely ignored last year but given that Trueborn are a thing again...might not hurt to reup it for people who might want to make their Trueborn look unique?

Heavy nerf to Power from pain, but I like what I see for everything else. Poison Tongue getting 3+ to wound every non-vehicle in the game looks tasty, and a master archon with a dijon blade can dish out a lot of damage

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Despite all the complaints about Blood of the Phoenix, for example, all the local stores still managed to find a way to sell out of it within a couple of weeks, and it didn't last online for much longer.

You sure about that? It was still on sale on the GW website for months after its release. Same for various independent stores. A number of newer battle boxes came and went whilst it was still on sale. That box was not a success compared to all the others.

In the US it moved quickly, maybe it didn't sell as well in Oz?

My store ordered very few copies as they knew it wouldn't sell well. Managed to sell all copies eventually, but only because they didn't order that many. Contrast that with all the other dual boxes(and Lumineth box) and my store ordered a lot that sold out very quickly.

My store sold out a week after release (I ended up buying the last two copies). To date the only box that hasn't sold out at my store was the Aether War box.

Power from Pain as a mono-faction thing is interesting.


Guess Wyches try not to enjoy the killing now, when the Farseer is watching

Guess we might see more existing army rules such as AdMech Canticles turned into mono-faction boni, instead of giving the armies freebies on top like Marines?

Quite like the new rules tbh

Look forward to seeing the rest!

Pretty cool preview, look forward to seeing the book in its entirety

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
I believe Blood of the Phoenix was GW testing what price they could get away with. Then, after the backlash, they started lowering the price to find the sweet spot where they could extract the most out of its userbase.

A part of me believes the Rust campaign book is them trying to find the price band where they can sell the book at maximum profit. Because as someone said 96 pages for 60$ is nuts.

Honestly people should take a stand here and not buy it. Especially not if you're just after a few pages. I'm not condoning piracy, but I'm also not condoning not-piracy.

I agree. I won't be buying the book because that's too much money for too little. If I ever feel like I need those rules to play my DG or that the campaign turns out to be an unexpected wellspring of creativity, I might change my mind. If it's just a broken relic and two stratagems worth considering like vigilus was, I'm sure battlescribe will have me covered.


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 Eldarsif wrote:
Also, without having direct access to the rules it appears you are not limited to having to select one from each Combat Drug.

The article explicitly says it's possible for multiple wyches to use the same drugs.


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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Guess we might see more existing army rules such as AdMech Canticles turned into mono-faction boni, instead of giving the armies freebies on top like Marines?

To be honest having yet another special rule layered on top of power from pain would have been stupid. Better put that extra power elsewhere.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Despite all the complaints about Blood of the Phoenix, for example, all the local stores still managed to find a way to sell out of it within a couple of weeks, and it didn't last online for much longer.

You sure about that? It was still on sale on the GW website for months after its release. Same for various independent stores. A number of newer battle boxes came and went whilst it was still on sale. That box was not a success compared to all the others.

In the US it moved quickly, maybe it didn't sell as well in Oz?

My store ordered very few copies as they knew it wouldn't sell well. Managed to sell all copies eventually, but only because they didn't order that many. Contrast that with all the other dual boxes(and Lumineth box) and my store ordered a lot that sold out very quickly.

My store sold out a week after release (I ended up buying the last two copies). To date the only box that hasn't sold out at my store was the Aether War box.

One of the locals around here still has copies (of BotP), others didn't even bother ordering it- I think you're overgeneralizing.

 Jidmah wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Guess we might see more existing army rules such as AdMech Canticles turned into mono-faction boni, instead of giving the armies freebies on top like Marines?

To be honest having yet another special rule layered on top of power from pain would have been stupid. Better put that extra power elsewhere.

Yea I don't quite get Sunny's point. Marines are forced mono often.

The Raiding Forces/Realspace Raid
is the worst word salad I've seen yet in a GW product. If they weren't obsessed with KEYWORDS it could've flown so much better.

Its a shame trueborn are 1:1 with master archons but at least they exist... and hopefully means bloodbrides will be an upgrade for 1:1 with a master succubus if that is a thing.

..Yeah...honestly I'm glad to not have to deal with stupid marine/necron seven layer bean dip army wide special rules, but it does stink that those exist in the game and we have no answer to them. I'm guessing CWE will see some sort of major buff to battle focus and that will be their thing.

some big nerfs in there though - not just turn 1 going to 6++, but also turn 2 going to advance and charge from reroll charge. That makes drukhari deep strike much MUCH less effective, though I suppose they didn't do that too much anyway.

Wonder what Red Grief is getting totally redesigned into, seeing as that was their cult trait.

Realspace Raid is hyper-powerful. Each INDIVIDUAL UNIT can have their own drukhari obsession if you want - holy crap. I can have poisoned tongue kabalites and Black Heart ravagers and a custom close combat kabal archon and court if I want to.You give up on some aura synergy potentially, but given the archon's new aura power...,not THAT Much....

Realspace Raid is hyper-powerful. Each INDIVIDUAL UNIT can have their own drukhari obsession if you want - holy crap. I can have poisoned tongue kabalites and Black Heart ravagers and a custom close combat kabal archon and court if I want to.You give up on some aura synergy potentially, but given the archon's new aura power...,not THAT Much....

I don't think that's how it works. My reading is that you pick one Obsession and it applies to all models in that detachment, so if you pick Poisoned Tongue, even though it's a Kabal, your Wyches and Wracks get the Obsession too.

 warmaster21 wrote:
Its a shame trueborn are 1:1 with master archons but at least they exist... and hopefully means bloodbrides will be an upgrade for 1:1 with a master succubus if that is a thing.

yeah theyre mostly just a cute fluff rule. +1BS and ignore hit modifiers on one unit of kabs for hopefully minor pts increases. No extra specials/heavies, no change in minimum unit size to let you fit them into a transport with the HQ (I suppose we dont know, maybe we have TC6 venoms and TC11 raiders now but whatever)