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**StarFyre**

changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

they want them to be major centerpieces...

it also helps attract people to it cause they look cooler.

SF

**changemod**

Shadow Walker wrote:
changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

For example Bloodthirster is said to be about 10 metres tall so his model should be huge. Same with the others.

Ten metres? Sounds like gibberish and I’ve been in and out of 40k lore since at least 2001.

**Galas**

changemod wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

For example Bloodthirster is said to be about 10 metres tall so his model should be huge. Same with the others.

Ten metres? Sounds like gibberish and I’ve been in and out of 40k lore since at least 2001.

Great Demons have always been massive in the fluff. Just look at the old artwork of the war agaisnt chaos of High Elves in fantasy. Or stuff like videogame cinematics with the Age of Reckoning Lord of Change, Mark of Chaos Bloodthirster, etc...

Their miniatures were pathetically small just by limitations of the age when they were designed and made.

**Not Online!!!**

I mean, maybee they overdid it on the chains?

Otoh, that is one massive DP to match his ego.
And he looks damn cool

**Asherian Command**

https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1368971377886306307?s=20

Heres a cleaner look at his model (bigger image)

**dan2026**

changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

Be'lakor, the first Daemon Prince who all four gods poured power into, is now just an 'ordinary' Daemon Prince?

**changemod**

Galas wrote:
changemod wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

For example Bloodthirster is said to be about 10 metres tall so his model should be huge. Same with the others.

Ten metres? Sounds like gibberish and I’ve been in and out of 40k lore since at least 2001.

Great Demons have always been massive in the fluff. Just look at the old artwork of the war agaisnt chaos of High Elves in fantasy. Or stuff like videogame cinematics with the Age of Reckoning Lord of Change, Mark of Chaos Bloodthirster, etc...

Their miniatures were pathetically small just by limitations of the age when they were designed and made.

There’s a big difference between “dreadnought sized is a tad small” and “takes up as much space with wingspan factored in as an imperial knight”.

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dan2026 wrote:
changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

Be'lakor, the first Daemon Prince who all four gods poured power into, is now just an 'ordinary' Daemon Prince?

Yes? Undivided being super special rather than the default is a pretty new development.

**Kid_Kyoto**

SamusDrake wrote:
What? So Chaos players have to purchase this new Primaris Lieutenant just to get their new daemon prince? Outrageous!

Think of it the other way, free Primaris Lieutenant with every purchase of a demon prince!

You'll have to sculpt your own leg though.

**gorgon**

Galas wrote:
changemod wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

For example Bloodthirster is said to be about 10 metres tall so his model should be huge. Same with the others.

Ten metres? Sounds like gibberish and I’ve been in and out of 40k lore since at least 2001.

Great Demons have always been massive in the fluff. Just look at the old artwork of the war agaisnt chaos of High Elves in fantasy. Or stuff like videogame cinematics with the Age of Reckoning Lord of Change, Mark of Chaos Bloodthirster, etc...

Their miniatures were pathetically small just by limitations of the age when they were designed and made.

Yeah, weren't the old Epic greater daemons and daemon primarchs about the size of an Imperial Knight?

No GW games are really 'scale' games, but I don't see how this sizing is unreasonable.

**tneva82**

Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
Belakor was introduced in Mordheim? Guess it's fitting that he gets a new model when AOS:Mordheim debuts.

Is he going to be changed to some rocks? It certainly looks that way. Cool for a diorama pose, but weird choice for a mobile model to be tied down.

He most certainly was introduced in Mordheim fluff as the Shadowlord in 1999 though no one knew of Be'lakor at the time or what he was or represented. He then cropped up a few years later in the Dark Shadows WFB campaign, again as a background antagonist - The Dark Master. He was only really revealed and fully fleshed out during the now non-canon Storm of Chaos campaign.
Mordheim's "Shadowlord" did later become Be'lakor, or Be'lakor was made out to have been the same character who was the Shadowlord, but this was not actually Tuomas Pirinen's original plan. Whether or not the concept for Be'lakor even existed in the studio at this time, the Shadowlord was a completely independent character with different motivations and goals (though it has thus far not be fully revealed what they are). So, in current canon Be'lakor was retroactively introduced in Mordheim, but at the time, he neither was Be'lakor nor intended to become him, of that makes any sense.

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That's very common for gw. Random names and notes which are there to make fluff appear deeper and more pre-planned than it is actually. Lots of stuff like that which players are wondering what gw is planning while gw guys haven't thought at all what to make out of it

then in future some random hint from past might become actually useful

**Billicus**

You say that like it's a bad thing? That kind of passive, fill-in-the-gaps worldbuilding is great, much better for a game setting than anything too fixed and prescriptive

**Slayer-Fan123**

The new model feths hard. Anyone with a negative thought on it is just WRONG. THAT is what Belakor should've been and GW nailed it.

**tneva82**

Uuh did i say it's bad? No.

**Cronch**

changemod wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

For example Bloodthirster is said to be about 10 metres tall so his model should be huge. Same with the others.

Ten metres? Sounds like gibberish and I’ve been in and out of 40k lore since at least 2001.

Greater demons were always massive, it's just making massive models in plastic is way easier than metal so now the model can match the lore. I'm not a fan of making the models quite so..snappably expansive, but they are accurate to lore.

**Mr Morden**

Dysartes wrote:
If the Great Horned Rat is now a fully-fledged Chaos God in AoS, has there been any sign of anyone other than Skaven worshiping him?

Its rare - even in the Old World there were humans who worshipped him hoping for mercy - which only proved they did not understand the god they were plendging themselves too. It has no mercy for the Skaven never mind other races!

**Tyel**

10/10 amazing model.

Agree with those saying its probably a nightmare to transport and to a degree, looks a bit silly due to its sheer scale compared with anything else. But hey, go big or go home.

**ph34r**

changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

He's not quite an "ordinary" Daemon Prince since he is The First Ever Daemon Prince so it makes sense he could be primarch-stature.

**Voss**

Tyel wrote:
10/10 amazing model.

Agree with those saying its probably a nightmare to transport and to a degree, looks a bit silly due to its sheer scale compared with anything else. But hey, go big or go home.

Well, in terms of scale compared to anything else, the video has him next to a Lord of Change and Bloodthirster. He fits right in:
https://youtu.be/CLW4Kk0fKao?t=20

**dan2026**

We definately need a new regular Daemon Prince kit now.
That guy is looking very small and old at this point.

**Esmer**

What exactly is his base supposed to be? It looks like a small set of steps leading...nowhere? At first I thought it was some sort of altar but it doesn't seem to have a sacrificial stone.

**Mr_Rose**

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
He kinda looks more dragonesque than Daemon in a way. I really like it.

Well, he would, wouldn’t he?
He was the first mortal to become the Everchosen, long before the arrival of the Old Ones and the Slann, which means he’s a native of the planet, which means either Dragon Ogre or pure Dragon. And we know what happens with dragon ogres so…

**NAVARRO**

Well chains are easy to clip out and the size is well good for display cabinets.

Too many big sized things and this is no exception in the world of GW... but in this case I can back the design, which is great.

Not going to buy for sure looks boring to paint those wings and price is going to match the scale XD

**Fayric**

Great model, I will most certainly get me one.
I think Bloodthirsters are good size as the smallest of the greater daemons, and Belakor actually looks about the same size.

Heres hoping Belakor at least give the 40k daemons some kind of loop hole to not be depressingly awful.

**The Power Cosmic**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
What? So Chaos players have to purchase this new Primaris Lieutenant just to get their new daemon prince? Outrageous!

Think of it the other way, free Primaris Lieutenant with every purchase of a demon prince!

You'll have to sculpt your own leg though.

Nono, it's not missing, he's teleporting in (or out).

GASP, he's a grey knight primaris lieutenant!

**ImAGeek**

Does anyone know when the original Be’lakor was released? Just out of curiosity.

**Dryaktylus**

dan2026 wrote:
We definately need a new regular Daemon Prince kit now.

Sure. but we needed it since it came out.

dan2026 wrote:
That guy is looking very small and old at this point.

Don't know if it's too small, but he looks far worse than the old metal CSM Daemon prince. It's just a bad comical kit.

**Strg Alt**

changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

Scale creep:

They do it in order to invalidate older models of the same type. So if you want to use older stuff in a GW shop or tournament you are screwed.

**tneva82**

Strg Alt wrote:
changemod wrote:
I really don’t understand why they’re making greater daemons, daemon primarchs, and now finally ordinary daemon princes basically imperial knight sized. It creates a vast size gulf between them and not only mortals, but lesser daemons too.

Scale creep:

They do it in order to invalidate older models of the same type. So if you want to use older stuff in a GW shop or tournament you are screwed.

Well that's due to plavers themselves. Funny. Players to blame, players blame gw.

**Danny76**

Well we all know why they make stuff big.
Money. So they can charge more and people want it.
It’s business.

Having said that DP have always been big fluff and as mentioned epic.

Bel isn’t just an undivided one. He’s the DP. So yeah he’s a big powerful fella, even if he fell from Grace.

**DaveC**

ImAGeek wrote:
Does anyone know when the original Be’lakor was released? Just out of curiosity.

2004 I believe so nearly 17 years old.