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Snrub wrote:Gotta say, not super enthused about what ever it is coming off his sword. If it's fire, then it's the worst attempt at flames ever. If the blade is in a state of chaotic flux, then that's also not super great either, as I don't feel that it matches Be'lakors general aesthetic.

And from that video preview they showed, it doesn't even look like he's taking on aspects of all 4 chaos gods. So if they have some Tzeentch warpery on the sword, that's going to look pretty off.

It looks more like they're trying to make his sword look daemonicly ethereal or something. Dark energy, as H.B.M.C says.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Unaligned, yes. "Chaos Undivided", that's a different story.

Had it drilled into me during my Black Crusade days that we weren't allowed to capitalise the 'U' in 'unaligned' as GW were de-emphasising the power of "Chaos Undivided".

Well that certainly explains the direction they've been taking with the last few CSM codexes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's not fire. Look at the posted trailer a few posts up. It's like dark energy coming off of it.

Ya know I watched the trailer and I either I didnt see the sword bit or my brain glossed over it.
Ok thats not too bad then. Certainly looks better then what the teaser pic makes it look.

EDIT: Does Be'lakor take on aspects for all 4 Chaos Gods? I can't say that ever came across in his original miniature, or any of the artwork. He's mostly all dark and shadowy, a true unaligned Daemon.

No, I dont think he ever has had aspects of the gods incorporated into him, lore wise (certainly not model wise), but I wouldnt have been shocked if they had have went in that direction with this version.

Yeah, the current 40k Daemon codex is very weird about it. Everything has an allegiance to one of the big four, some things like Princes, Furies and Soulgrinders can choose, but they _must_ choose.

...except Be'lakor, who is actually written into the <Allegiance> rule as an exception. Giving him one (or all) would be really very strange.

The quirk of it is, he doesn't get anything. He isn't Unaligned, or Undivided. He just... doesn't have an allegiance. He does, however, have a universal buff (reroll 1s) for _all_ friendly daemons.

His statline is also utterly inadequate for the new model.

All the greater daemon statlines were smaller before their new larger models came out. I expect belakor to get updated rules to match his new stature.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
All the greater daemon statlines were smaller before their new larger models came out. I expect belakor to get updated rules to match his new stature.

How big are we thinking? Size of a Bloodthirster, size of a Wraithlord?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Looks like we get to see Belakor tomorrow!

At last!

Leman Russ has returned from the Warp!

Hail the Great Wolf!

A safe bet would be 2 or 3 rumour engine pictures solved with this one...

We already know it’s the wing and chain/rock piece.
There’s another I think but can’t think of it..

Edit: the tail!

Danny76 wrote:
We already know it’s the wing and chain/rock piece.
There’s another I think but I can’t think of it..

There’s the tail, which also had a rock/chain in it.

We’ve seen his feet. It’s not his.

That foot is also tiny, and no chain I can see?
Maybe I’m looking at wrong date, what one you looking at?

EDIT.
Scratch that yeah I know the one

 techsoldaten wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
All the greater daemon statlines were smaller before their new larger models came out. I expect belakor to get updated rules to match his new stature.

How big are we thinking? Size of a Bloodthirster, size of a Wraithlord?

Around Bloodthirsters

Danny76 wrote:
We’ve seen his feet. It’s not his.

That foot is also tiny, and no chain I can see?
Maybe I’m looking at wrong date, what one you looking at?

EDIT.
Scratch that yeah I know the one

I’m curious which other one you were looking at now haha. Sorry I should have found the date really, I was just going off memory.

Ha ha, you said tail, so I was just looking through unsolved, and saw that little vargheist harpy sized one.
With the wing membrane piece that everyone kept saying was a tail.
Thought you meant that..

 Snrub wrote:

EDIT: Does Be'lakor take on aspects for all 4 Chaos Gods? I can't say that ever came across in his original miniature, or any of the artwork. He's mostly all dark and shadowy, a true unaligned Daemon.

No, I dont think he ever has had aspects of the gods incorporated into him, lore wise (certainly not model wise), but I wouldnt have been shocked if they had have went in that direction with this version.

Would be weird considering his entire lore is his utter spite for the gods because of his lot in life and attempting to ascend to godhood himself since his introduction in Mordheim.

It's important to remember that whilst the 4, no 5 Chaos Gods define huge regions of Chaos, they are not all there is to Chaos itself. They are simply demons who are the most powerful within the realm and who interact with the mortal world.

There have been other Gods of Chaos who have dwindled into nothing in the past; new gods that arise (Slaanesh arose, the Great Horned Rat is also now a Chaos God) and a whole host of neutral demons and creatures that owe no allegiance to the core 4 gods.


Indeed I'd be interested to learn how the Great Horned Rat now exists and interacts within the Chaos Realm. From other stories we know that Skaven do not die and to to the Chaos Realm itself, they die and go to the Realm of the Dead where they've their own afterlife (which is one of the few that is holding out and resisting Nagash).

Belakor was introduced in Mordheim? Guess it's fitting that he gets a new model when AOS:Mordheim debuts.

Is he going to be changed to some rocks? It certainly looks that way. Cool for a diorama pose, but weird choice for a mobile model to be tied down.

If the Great Horned Rat is now a fully-fledged Chaos God in AoS, has there been any sign of anyone other than Skaven worshiping him?

 Overread wrote:
It's important to remember that whilst the 4, no 5 Chaos Gods define huge regions of Chaos, they are not all there is to Chaos itself. They are simply demons who are the most powerful within the realm and who interact with the mortal world.

There have been other Gods of Chaos who have dwindled into nothing in the past; new gods that arise (Slaanesh arose, the Great Horned Rat is also now a Chaos God) and a whole host of neutral demons and creatures that owe no allegiance to the core 4 gods.

In the Shadespire novel, whatever place the city is trapped, the inhabitants can see "gods" in the sky above them. Things described as older than the chaos gods, who no longer care what mortals do. More chaos goodness is never a bad thing.


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 Dysartes wrote:
If the Great Horned Rat is now a fully-fledged Chaos God in AoS, has there been any sign of anyone other than Skaven worshiping him?

In the same novel, a blood reaver accuses an unaligned chaos warrior as possibly following the Great Horned Rat, so it's possible. The dude in question wasn't a follower, however.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Looks like we get to see Belakor tomorrow!

At last!

Leman Russ has returned from the Warp!

Hail the Great Wolf!

Yes, All Hail the Great Wolf who is laying down on the base with Bel'Akor standing on him. Obviously he is just trying to lull him into a false sense of security.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Belakor was introduced in Mordheim? Guess it's fitting that he gets a new model when AOS:Mordheim debuts.

Is he going to be changed to some rocks? It certainly looks that way. Cool for a diorama pose, but weird choice for a mobile model to be tied down.

He most certainly was introduced in Mordheim fluff as the Shadowlord in 1999 though no one knew of Be'lakor at the time or what he was or represented. He then cropped up a few years later in the Dark Shadows WFB campaign, again as a background antagonist - The Dark Master. He was only really revealed and fully fleshed out during the now non-canon Storm of Chaos campaign.

Belakor is the ultimate chump. He exists only to get dunked on by others. All Daemons tend to suffer this fate since they can't actually die which makes them very appealing targets to show how powerful some other character is, but Belakor is the chumpiest Daemon of them all.

Model images now up:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/08/belakors-back-and-oh-wow-hes-enormous/

He’s massive!

Hah... and the 40k version does indeed have a primaris lieutenant on it. I like the burny wound effect

As most people predicted it's yet another primaris lieutenant. At least this time in a new pose, taking a nap.

Quite the chonker of a model and cool that they've made his dead friends fit their respective universe.

There's a lot going on but on the whole, very cool.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Belakor is the ultimate chump. He exists only to get dunked on by others. All Daemons tend to suffer this fate since they can't actually die which makes them very appealing targets to show how powerful some other character is, but Belakor is the chumpiest Daemon of them all.

Dunno, given none of the four gods can control him, and he can do more or less whatever he wants? That’s no chump.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Belakor was introduced in Mordheim? Guess it's fitting that he gets a new model when AOS:Mordheim debuts.

Is he going to be changed to some rocks? It certainly looks that way. Cool for a diorama pose, but weird choice for a mobile model to be tied down.

He most certainly was introduced in Mordheim fluff as the Shadowlord in 1999 though no one knew of Be'lakor at the time or what he was or represented. He then cropped up a few years later in the Dark Shadows WFB campaign, again as a background antagonist - The Dark Master. He was only really revealed and fully fleshed out during the now non-canon Storm of Chaos campaign.

Mordheim's "Shadowlord" did later become Be'lakor, or Be'lakor was made out to have been the same character who was the Shadowlord, but this was not actually Tuomas Pirinen's original plan. Whether or not the concept for Be'lakor even existed in the studio at this time, the Shadowlord was a completely independent character with different motivations and goals (though it has thus far not be fully revealed what they are). So, in current canon Be'lakor was retroactively introduced in Mordheim, but at the time, he neither was Be'lakor nor intended to become him, of that makes any sense.

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EDIT: and in the meantime, the model was shown!
Certainly like it, but don't love it. The wing-chain-decorations add some extra bling (quite literally), but the chain laundry lines don't quite do it for me. Nice touches on different versions though (laurels v crown, bionics and markings on the 40k skulls etc.). Bright Chaos star on his chest and extra mouth glow looks poor though, thankfully the fantasy version looks better. Unnecessary decorative base perhaps acceptable for a big display model, and not much work needed to get him standing on a normal flat base presumably. Optional left arm is nice enough, wished they had included a non-flaming sword too though. Not perfect, but still one of my favourite larger models they've done in recent times.

Wow he’s really cool! Love the alt pose more than his pointing one.