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 Dysartes wrote:
If the Great Horned Rat is now a fully-fledged Chaos God in AoS, has there been any sign of anyone other than Skaven worshiping him?

Not really no and honestly he doesn't need it. He's got countless Skaven who worship him and have done for generations. So the Great Horned Rat has no need to sully himself by reaching out to mankind or aelves.

Lovely model, would be even better with a force of undivided demons to lead. Guess he will have to make do with the god aligned ones in a matching colour scheme

 DaveC wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Does anyone know when the original Be’lakor was released? Just out of curiosity.

2004 I believe so nearly 17 years old.

Cheers, I was pretty sure it was already out when I started (2005). It’s aged pretty damn well really.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Lovely model, would be even better with a force of undivided demons to lead. Guess he will have to make do with the god aligned ones in a matching colour scheme

In AoS there is a force of mixed daemons and he has his own sub faction within it, which actually isn't bad and is quite viable so long as you have him as part of the list.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Does anyone know when the original Be’lakor was released? Just out of curiosity.

2004 I believe so nearly 17 years old.

Cheers, I was pretty sure it was already out when I started (2005). It’s aged pretty damn well really.

It's nice sculpt.i'll get one to work as reqular daemon prince　so all aren't same looking.

Very, very impressed. And the optional chains for 40k vs AOS are nice (though I wish it was a grey knight helmet, and not another primars one.)

Wonder why they decided to do a chaos warrior and a primaris lieutenant, instead of doing a dead chaos warrior and CSM, or a dead stormcast and lieutenant?

He has a bigger beef with Archaon than with Abaddon.

So, what do we reckon?

£100? £110?

I really like that he has enough bits to make him clearly AOS or 40k.

Ignoring the corpses (and wings), there's a bunch more stuff sprinkled around the base. There's a bolter, what looks like a salamander helmet. And an imperial fist shoulder pad and something else behind him.
And with AOS, some skull piles with crowns.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I really like that he has enough bits to make him clearly AOS or 40k.

Also enough bits to make him both Dead chaos warrior, space marine helmets... let's merge the settings!

 Azreal13 wrote:
So, what do we reckon?

£100? £110?

Current greater daemon kits plus 0 to 10 (depending on currency).

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
What? So Chaos players have to purchase this new Primaris Lieutenant just to get their new daemon prince? Outrageous!

Think of it the other way, free Primaris Lieutenant with every purchase of a demon prince!

You'll have to sculpt your own leg though.

Jooooooooke.

Bless ya.

 Azreal13 wrote:
So, what do we reckon?

£100? £110?

Optimistically £100 but my pessimist side is undecided between the 'second kidney' or 'soul of your firstborn' additional charge.

Unless they reveal that he's also part of a huge and varied demon prince set - then I'd wager his price will be higher because as a character GW can expect to sell him once to any customer. With the regular Greater Demons they've a regular form and a named character form so they can hope for 2 sales per customer and perhaps more - heck for Keepers they might hope for 3 or 4 sales per customer with the way the old Battletomes was setup.

That makes a big difference to projected sales of the model and might have a big impact on prices.

The only saving grace is that the price on Gargants caused a bit of a wobble and I think, going by how the community reacted to the price, that GW might not price anything that high for a long while yet. Unless its seriously massivehugemonster.

 Overread wrote:
Unless they reveal that he's also part of a huge and varied demon prince set - then I'd wager his price will be higher because as a character GW can expect to sell him once to any customer. With the regular Greater Demons they've a regular form and a named character form so they can hope for 2 sales per customer and perhaps more

Except Bloodthirsters... Skabrand is a unique sprue (legs/arms/wings, which replaces the standard sprue in the BT kit) coupled with the BT body sprue. He's also a 'one buy' (if at all).

I based my guess on Magnus, which I figure is the closest unique character of very similar dimensions. He's at £90 currently.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I based my guess on Magnus, which I figure is the closest unique character of very similar dimensions. He's at £90 currently.

Yeah, Mags and Morty are probably the best comparisons. No overlap with other kits, entirely 'unique' codex entry.

I hope his rules are drastically improved. At the moment he can't be placed into a mono-god daemon detachment without ruining the locus, has no distinct forces of his own in 40k, and can't be summoned, making it almost impossible to use him in any effective capacity.

Astonishingly cool model. Love the game-specific touches with the details.

Really want this guy.

 Azreal13 wrote:
£100? £110?

Same price as those massively overpriced new giants.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I based my guess on Magnus, which I figure is the closest unique character of very similar dimensions. He's at £90 currently.

But he's also old sku. Gw keeps upping prices. Old equilavent prices aren't that relevant

It's hard to tell what GW will do. The Void Dragon kit cost waaay more than I expected. But Sigvald cost less than Guilliman, despite prices steadily rising on newer models. Still, if he's like a greater daemon, than probably 140 USD. Daemon Primarchs costs $10 more, but it's hard to say if GW will consider him on that tier.

I wonder how many will magnetise the models (Corpses) on his base.

 Overread wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
If the Great Horned Rat is now a fully-fledged Chaos God in AoS, has there been any sign of anyone other than Skaven worshiping him?

Not really no and honestly he doesn't need it. He's got countless Skaven who worship him and have done for generations. So the Great Horned Rat has no need to sully himself by reaching out to mankind or aelves.

Their is the whole Cawdor Gang from Necromunda who have rats and rat bombs, so maybe. Plus they could always redo the Ratskins to be were-rats or humans who worship rats to the point they are "Blessed" with mutations.

I'll be very surprised if he's not the same price as mega gargants.

That's one darn good looking kit.
The designers sure can make great things if they put their mind to it.

On his right wing, on the far left, is that an elf/eldar skull? It doesn't look human, but also not like a mutant chaos thing

Boy is new Be'lkor too much. Yikes. And those silly open-winged poses, just begging to be torn to shreds by lascannons..... The sculptors have gone out of control with ZBrush.

Stunning model, glad they didn’t ruin this one.
My bet is £85-100 on this one.

AoS players talking about a daemon army, but wasn’t belakor always leading mortals?
Pretty certain that he despised daemons and used to lead mortals in to battle instead.

I would almost certainly expect that in 40k, he will be a Supreme Commander LOW for Chaos Daemons Undivided.

Not sure quite how they'll represent the Undivided; a good litmus test will be how they handle DE Raiding force updates; both armies were similar in requiring players to isolate the sub-factions of their lists into separate detachments. We know that the new dex will provide an alternative to this system for the DE.

Whatever that alternative ends up being, it may also apply to Chaos Daemon armies that have Be'lakor as Supreme Commander.

I think the AoS demon army thing is coming from the promotional video of him leading a demon army of demons. Also don't forget it wasn't that long ago that in AoS (or rather Old World) Chaos Demons were a single army and I'm sure there are those who would welcome those times back.


Personally I sort of feel that the separation in AoS is pretty strong now. Allies and such work, but I don't really want to see united Chaos Demons return. I think each army is stronger having its own toolbox of options. And I say that as someone who wishes Khorne and Slaanesh could ally so I can have fiends and hounds in the same army.


I think if they recombine that will dash hopes of new demon models. 2 Big updates to Slaanesh and not a single new demonic unit. A few leaders yes, but no core troop or monster. Even the mindestealer cat is a Slaves to Darkness model.