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SamusDrake wrote:

Grimlineman wrote:
Yea I seen them. Not enough models in a box for a full unit and they kinda of expensive. Maybe they gonna be the new models......

Might be worth another look, as they make a legal unit called Cultists of the Abyss. In addition it also contains a character model called a Firebrand, which can be taken as an elite.

A bit of discount and its a winner, although the Firebrand is an awkward model to assemble. They also scrape by as a Necromunda gang.

Also, isn't the kit still just 25 bucks? It was earlier this year when I bought one (they are being fielded as a Raiders warband in This is Not a Test.)

I personally love the models. Especially compared to the 5-man Cultist set, which was a bare shadow of the variety of cultists from Dark Vengeance. I kick myself for not getting them when I had the chance back then.

For third party stuff Wargames Atlantic's new Cannon Fodder box looks good and will sure to be good value.

Maelstrom's Edge Broken are another option for generic cultists.

PenitentJake wrote:
Now that we have Traitor Knights, I'm almost certain that Traitor Guard will come. I feel like it's only a matter of time.

I don't. The fundamental problem is they overlap too much with both Guard and GSC, and would need a bunch of stuff from daemons or CSM to prop them up. Or a huge release, which seems unlikely.

They're in a weird spot, where a badly pointed unit in CSM is insufficient, but a bigger release is very unlikely.

AOS Chaos Marauders make great cultists if you give them guns. I grabbed a bunch of shootas from ork kits and geared them up.

PenitentJake wrote:
I'm really hoping that the Ambull does- it's the only BSF model that I really wanted and ended up missing out on.

Absolutely. I bought the expansion on its own just for that model and it was worth it. Later on I then bought BSF to go with it, strange as that might sound!

While not nearly as flash, the Umber Hulk from the D&D range is a bit similar. There is also a GF9 version and a rather awesome printable model from Etsy.

I have faith GW will bring it back as just a model- maybe only for a limited time... But hopefully all the BSF stuff just becomes available as a part of the regular product line.

I'd like to see more unaligned models in the range; I think they provide an interesting contrast to the formal detachment system that defines the rest of the game.

I really hope they make an HQ Spindle/Guardian Drone, and drop the fething "you can only have 1" restriction. I really want a small army of them to add into my Kroot army.

 Blndmage wrote:
I really hope they make an HQ Spindle/Guardian Drone, and drop the fething "you can only have 1" restriction. I really want a small army of them to add into my Kroot army.

Agree. I need an Unaligned HQ (a drone would be good, but really just "any") & I'd really like to be able to use more than 4 Spindle Drones.
I'd like to run a pure "Unaligned" detachment.

TBH there are enough human infantry models out there that losing a repackaged sprue that you need to buy like 3 of to use 2 squads with no cool champions or special weapons isn't really an issue.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Also, isn't the kit still just 25 bucks? It was earlier this year when I bought one (they are being fielded as a Raiders warband in This is Not a Test.)

Yup, still $25 on the website.

The problem with buying units to use a cultists is that cultists have such a poor set of warhead options that making the “counts as” unit work is difficult

I emailed GW and got a response today. They saying the cultist of the absye is the cultist for chaos now and all the options come in that box......sucks they only give you 8 instead of a full unit per box but what yea gonna do. Maybe after more marines we will get a repackaged box with 10.

I’m not a big fan of the sculps anyways so think I’ll just do the GSC guards men, brood whatever’s. Thanks for the replies!

Grimlineman wrote:
They saying the cultist of the absye is the cultist for chaos now and all the options come in that box..

So, GW thinks it is reasonable that if we want, say, a 20-man cultist unit (1 champion, 2 heavy stubbers, 17 autoguns), we need to buy 5 boxes at a total of £75 and throw away the other 20 models with unusable equipment? Haha! No, GW, we're not going to do that, feth you very much.

Grimlineman wrote:
I emailed GW and got a response today. They saying the cultist of the absye is the cultist for chaos now and all the options come in that box......sucks they only give you 8 instead of a full unit per box but what yea gonna do. Maybe after more marines we will get a repackaged box with 10.

I’m not a big fan of the sculps anyways so think I’ll just do the GSC guards men, brood whatever’s. Thanks for the replies!

What now?

Can you link a screenshot of it?

GW should just provide some additional war gear options and some sort of upgraded with auto gun/pistol and melee weapons so people can kitbash their own cultists from available units.

I mean they should actively state that this is how you should create your cultist units and have a comp for the the best cultists units using AOS, necromunda etc

the_scotsman wrote:

 SergentSilver wrote:
I suppose alternatively you could just buy regular shock troopers and give them some chaosy stuff.

if you're stingy enough on the WYSIWYG that you're not interested in all the amazing looking AOS and Necromunda models then you have to go for GSC - guard shock troops have lasguns, and theyre supposed to have autoguns.

Also GSC come with a stubber.

Really if anyone is going to harp on your for having Lasguns instead of autoguns.....theres a fundamental issue with the game and you should concede. They are literally the same gun stats wise and theres no way for lasguns and their rules to interact with cultists in a meaningful way (ie strategems and orders)

Jeez. I just bought some of the Easy to Build Cultists before Christmas, really glad I did now! Between Dark Vengeance, that, and a couple of spare Goliath gangers, I have enough to do the two units of 20 I wanted for my Word Bearers.

Sucks for new Chaos players though. Cultists are a huge part of the background for chaos, we should have more than 8 monopose models for them, that's early 90s levels of variability for a horde unit.

 generalchaos34 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 SergentSilver wrote:
I suppose alternatively you could just buy regular shock troopers and give them some chaosy stuff.

if you're stingy enough on the WYSIWYG that you're not interested in all the amazing looking AOS and Necromunda models then you have to go for GSC - guard shock troops have lasguns, and theyre supposed to have autoguns.

Also GSC come with a stubber.

Really if anyone is going to harp on your for having Lasguns instead of autoguns.....theres a fundamental issue with the game and you should concede. They are literally the same gun stats wise and theres no way for lasguns and their rules to interact with cultists in a meaningful way (ie strategems and orders)

Yeah the brood brothers look like my they will work. There is a GSC upgrade pack to turn other units into GSC I assume. We need one for chaos cults

As a newer chaos player, I started a Flawless Host warband with shadowspear and had been building up the astartes before getting to work on mortals/daemons. In January I went to the local GW to buy a couple packs of cultists(30 bodies) and the dude said they've gone direct only, I'm like WTF...cultists, then said ok what about the ETB guard? Same answer, lame.

I've been looking at picking up some DV and the more recent ones just to add variety if the Abyss cultists are the new "norm". As I've said before I really like the Servants models but feel they'd get samey quickly. You could always cut them up and swap heads/arms whatever but not sure if $25 for 8 of them is worth it over necromunda boxes or some such.

Last year I had kitbashed some historical (I think prussian) bodies and leftovers from my Metallica Vanguards & Rangers. They basically cost me zilch and that's a very attractive price. I've used them both as wysiwyg(as dark mech thralls/skitarii) and as just generic cultists.

The aforementioned cannon fodder is basically the ideal price per model that one would expect for, well...cannon fodder.

The necro models are big though. I don't have them to hand but try standing them next to a chaos marine.

I think fluff wise they are at something of a cross roads. The new set up stresses CSM marauding in legion like formations of multiple warbands and hosts rather than the old warband raiding stuff. So I guess the reliance on cannon fodder has reduced and they are presented as separate forces now.

Whilst I love the old imagry of stuff like warbands being commanded or inspired by a hard core of Astartes, even as low as 3 or 4 veteran legionnaires, that isn't really viable anymore and I guess best left to narrative battles than competitive-ish army list design.

If you were the world eaters, for example, it would make khorne happy if you sent a legion of cultists in first to get minced up by loyal astartes before you run in with your chain axe

Thematically, canonically and practically cultists are needed to complete the chaos armies. GW just doesn’t have confidence in them selling I guess. Traitor guard would fly off the shelves in my opinion

Oh there no problem with the mechanic of chaff plus elite, it is just hard for GW to do it seems. Perhaps due to the specialness of Primaris meaning CSM can't be better. There is also the player desire to field armies of just power armour CSM and how to balance that in a list designed for chaff/elite.

Corpse Grinders are the best Khorne Cultists ever.

Those old plastic Cultists? I picked up two boxes quite a while ago; I'm glad I did, but at the time, I remember being bothered by the fact that only half of the plastic Cultists from the big box were available that way.

What they really need to do for a quick fix is simply rerelease the DV cultists as a box set similar to what they did with the models from Indomitus. The cultists would be like the ETB Outriders and ETB Eradicators until they can make a modular version.


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If they wanted to be nice about it, they would do an ETB Melee Cultist box and an ETB Autogun Cultists box for $25 each, but knowing GW they would probably just shove them all into one box of 20 Cultists (10x melee & 10x Autogun) and make it $60 so you have to buy both each time for more money.