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**Kanluwen**

Ghaz wrote:
I could see an option to replace the phosphor serpenta with any of a variety of Pistol weapons, but I feel that he'll keep the control stave regardless.

I'm guessing there's going to be, as options:
-A different pistol
-Power sword in lieu of the Control Stave, but control stave still somewhere on it.

**Ghaz**

Kanluwen wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
I could see an option to replace the phosphor serpenta with any of a variety of Pistol weapons, but I feel that he'll keep the control stave regardless.

I'm guessing there's going to be, as options:
-A different pistol
-Power sword in lieu of the Control Stave, but control stave still somewhere on it.

I'm expecting the control stave to be a melee weapon (maybe an arc maul equivalent) as well as a badge of office which is why I'm not expecting an option to replace it with another melee weapon.

**Kanluwen**

He literally has a power sword on his belt.

I'm expecting it to be closer to the Tempestus Command Rod than an Arc Maul.

**ImAGeek**

The video implies that it is a melee weapon. ‘Fondness for blunt objects. Thunder hammer? Weight exceeded. Command stave perhaps?’

**Dread Master**

I think Kragnos will be related to the Ogroids. It may be that the species will be fleshed out as part of the lead in to 3E.

**Danny76**

It doesn’t seem like something that particularly links to a centaur thing.
What’s the theory based on?

**Dread Master**

Not so much a theory as a hunch. The mane, the horns, the hammer and shield, the just seem to resemble the Ogroid design elements.

**H.B.M.C.**

Centogors, or, given it's GW, Thunderhoof Mancrushers.

**MajorWesJanson**

A return of dragon ogres would be cool

**jaredb**

Dread Master wrote:
I think Kragnos will be related to the Ogroids. It may be that the species will be fleshed out as part of the lead in to 3E.

My guess it has something to do with the Kuronoth, as they have centaurs and horns as well (from the Underworlds warband at least).

MajorWesJanson wrote:
A return of dragon ogres would be cool

They are already in the Beasts of Chaos book, but the guy from the teaser video doesn't look much like a Dragon Ogre to me. No Scales, and no clawed forlimbs, and Dragon Ogres have scaley tails, not horse tails.

**JSG**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Centogors, or, given it's GW, Thunderhoof Mancrushers.

That actually sounds alright.

**Matt.Kingsley**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Centogors, or, given it's GW, Thunderhoof Mancrushers.

...is it bad that I'm thinking "Thunderhoof Mancrushers" is actually an alright name and that GW would likely name them something worse?

**Mothman**

The thing that drives me nuts about GW naming is that the two words the usually use just half would be fine. "Thunderhoofs" or "mancrushers", "Myrmedesh" or "Painbringers". It ends up feeling like "cool name" + "copyrightable descriptive addition addition". Most end up just being shortened to one word in conversation like just saying "stormcast" and "Gargants".

Is it impossible for them to just think of one word names that are copyrightable. I think id prefer them to just say "faction name" "single name" like "Hedonite Painbringer" or "Gloomspite Boingrotz"

**H.B.M.C.**

It's always a case of less is more when it comes to GW's names. Pick some of the Nurgle units they make and cut off half the name (~~Sloppity~~ Bilepiper) and you get decent sounding names.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Centogors, or, given it's GW, Thunderhoof Mancrushers.

...is it bad that I'm thinking "Thunderhoof Mancrushers" is actually an alright name and that GW would likely name them something worse?

Either that or I'm getting really good at coming up with GW-ish names.

**lord_blackfang**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's always a case of less is more when it comes to GW's names. Pick some of the Nurgle units they make and cut off half the name (~~Sloppity~~ Bilepiper) and you get decent sounding names.

But then how will you tell them apart from Slobbering Bilepipers, Slathering Bilepipers and Squalterig Bilepipers

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Slobbering Billie Piper?

Down boy!

**Sasori**

Is anyone thinking Kragnos may lead a new destruction army?

Some people mentioned Kurnothi, but he doesn't seem very Kurnothi to me.

**JSG**

He may have something to do with those crude looking weapons that have been cropping up in the rumour engine.

**lord_blackfang**

Sasori wrote:
Is anyone thinking Kragnos may lead a new destruction army?

Some people mentioned Kurnothi, but he doesn't seem very Kurnothi to me.

He's pretty cleary connected to the insect-faced Silent People from Beastgrave

**drbored**

I'd be thrilled to have a race of insect-people in AoS...

But Kragnos is pretty clearly a centaur... and it's hard for me to think that centaur design elements fit at all with anything insect.

**JSG**

In the teaser he says he's escaped his prison. Maybe the silent people were the ones that imprisoned him and his people were something else.

**MajorWesJanson**

JSG wrote:
In the teaser he says he's escaped his prison. Maybe the silent people were the ones that imprisoned him and his people were something else.

Or they were the ones who helped him escape

**Sotahullu**

Stop the press! Here is a quote from todays article:

After all, Nagash is nothing if not a schemer, and the forces of Death are all too happy to enact a few grand plans of their own. We’ve heard rumours that something is going on under the mountains of Chamon too – so keep up to date, and don’t get caught out when their plans inevitably spill over.

So anyone wondering (unless there is a mistake in article) Beastgrave is based in realm of the Beast (duh) or otherwise known as Ghur.

But it makes sense why Kragnos would have that old dwarf influenced shield. Chamos (or realm of Metal) was main realm for duardin.

**DarkStarSabre**

Sotahullu wrote:
Stop the press! Here is a quote from todays article:

After all, Nagash is nothing if not a schemer, and the forces of Death are all too happy to enact a few grand plans of their own. We’ve heard rumours that something is going on under the mountains of Chamon too – so keep up to date, and don’t get caught out when their plans inevitably spill over.

So anyone wondering (unless there is a mistake in article) Beastgrave is based in realm of the Beast (duh) or otherwise known as Ghur.

But it makes sense why Kragnos would have that old dwarf influenced shield. Chamos (or realm of Metal) was main realm for duardin.

This may also be relevant as the Seraphon warband that has been sent to Beastgrave is NOT Koatl's Claw constellation (who are based in Ghur) but Thunder Lizard - who are primarily based in Chamon. (Indeed the fluff reasoning for why their dinos are better is that they've become adept at introducing Chamonite into the spawning pools for the beasts....)

**Mr Morden**

drbored wrote:
I'd be thrilled to have a race of insect-people in AoS...

But Kragnos is pretty clearly a centaur... and it's hard for me to think that centaur design elements fit at all with anything insect.

The Insects might be related to the ones that Gotrek and Felix fought in the Old World?

**Zhothac Thoth**

Morghot wrote:
Da Butcha wrote:
I'm just incredibly disappointed and a bit worried about the Ork releases, despite really liking the model.

We get at least one cool new plastic model.

Did we get the plastic deffkoptas that have been unavailable since AOBR? No.
Did we get plastic tankbustas? No.
Did we get plastic lootas? No.
Did we get a plastic weirboy? No.

The basic, core army stuff that should be getting produced in plastic, that ork players would order en masse, did not get produced.

Instead, we get a (very cool) squig-riding ork.

And we get told that Beast Snaggas, which haven't been mentioned before, are the biggest and toughest in any clan they are in. Which contradicts fluff since 3rd edition that orks grow from boys, to skarboys, to nobs, to Warbosses. We get told that clans that are obsessed with vehicles, like the Evil Suns, have guys who prefer to ride squigs. Not just any guys, but the biggest ones. We've been told, since at least 2nd edition, that Orks have an innate understanding of technology, and, since at least 3rd edition, that as their tribe grows, they develop that technology forward, abandoning a lot of primitive stuff and developing vehicles and guns, etc. This has been a major facet of GW lore from an entire series (The Beast Arises). We learn that Feral Orks, which have been a thing since the 3rd edition Codex, aren't this phase that isolated ork klans go through, but are, in fact, the biggest and toughest orks.

I may be over-reacting, but it sounds so much like the Ork version of Primaris Marines. "We don't want to develop the current range any longer, despite it being very popular and long-lived, with huge amounts of compatibility and cross-modeling potential. So here are entirely new models, in a slightly different scale and not easily compatible. This subfaction has always existed, but just now showed up, and is superior, stat-wise, to your entire old faction. We aren't retiring that old faction, but, guess what? We aren't doing anything more to support it. Enjoy!"

Maybe I am wrong entirely. I do like the model!

Sadly i have exactly your feeling, happy to see new orks, also quite nice for me, but worried. And i really dont understand why they dont update some old (some very very old) kit instead of adding only... with necron they have done a WONDERFUL job: old units redone, new units added. Perfect. I was expecting same for greenskins honestly . And i would expect that also for poor imperial guard and eldar.

I think They are updating some old models. Before being killed by the beast snagga ork the first narrator mentioned new trukks and shootas. Which is a weird thing to say for a general overview of Orks. Most likely that's hinting at new trukks and boyz kits are on the way along side the beast snagga Orks.