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Dang. Those prices make me regret not throwing in for encounters because I needed to clear out space in the hobby room before buying anything else. But on the other hand, I mostly just wanted the trees so maybe it works out.

Deuslair previews

I like the treeman except those little fellas riding it. Dwarf is cool too.

first look at the big T

I'm more interested in the MOTU stuff in the back!

New blog post with faction details and more minis/concepts

https://archon-studio.com/blog/plenty-is-no-plague-400-models-in-the-campaign

Love the Naga concept art.

 DaveC wrote:

- Kazumi Temple needs a slight tweak before they can release it to retail (but they can't find the files at the moment).

They can't find the files. That's unfortunate, but kind of funny, and very relatable.

I'm glad they're still interested in releasing the Kazumi Temple; I'd heard that the set sold poorly during the KS, so I figured they'd just shelved it. Slann scenery isn't easy to find, especially if you don't have a 3-D printer handy.

Does anyone know when or if Archon are going to turn their attention back to sci-fi releases, terrain or otherwise? (Beyond Starfinder figures, I mean.). Do they still plan to release their own 40K hard plastic rival some day? They debuted that little "Starcide" promo box of figures in the past, and while the name "Starcide" wasn't so good, some of those designs - the snake men particularly - looked great.

They’ve said they’ll go back to Sci-Fi at some point but the funding figures show that the money is in Fantasy. Rampart made €338k vs €938k for Encounters and €1.4m for Woodhaven.

They still have their sci-fi game in development you might need to go back a few pages to find it.

Pre-campaign survey for D&LVI!

You wanted trees, right? (:

https://archon-studio.com/content/dungeons-lasers-v-add-ons-survey

Thanks for the link

I honestly just don't trust them to get the scale right. The D&L 3 townfolk were ridiculously small.

I'm probably sitting this one out.

I'm very picky about how miniatures look together on the table, and since the vast majority of my collection is roughly 32mm in height...I don't have use for Archon's stuff which looks small even next to the diminutive Frostgrave plastics.

Archon said they're increase the scale, so we'll see. I definitely would prefer 32mm as well!

Weird to invalidate the 200 or so models they already released tho.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Weird to invalidate the 200 or so models they already released tho.

While invalidating current miniatures might be odd, given there were lots of complaints about the scale being small, it might make sense to do the shift now rather than continue to see the complaints.
Not sure if that will be the case though.

 DaveC wrote:
They’ve said they’ll go back to Sci-Fi at some point but the funding figures show that the money is in Fantasy. Rampart made €338k vs €938k for Encounters and €1.4m for Woodhaven.

They still have their sci-fi game in development you might need to go back a few pages to find it.

Outside of GW, this is generally the case, right? That fantasy outsells sci-fi? There are certainly many miniature companies whose lopsided fantasy to sci-fi publishing ratio suggests this is the case. I suspect many of them now see GW's 40K success as fool's gold, given how hard it's been for a major sci-fi rival to endure over time and find anywhere near the same level of commercial success. And I suppose one could argue that in a way, 40K is science fantasy, benefitting from the Warhammer association and Gothic trappings in ways that could have crossover appeal to fantasy fans.

(For the record, I strongly prefer sci-fi to fantasy and mostly buy non-GW products, so I'm not writing any of the above happily.)

It's nice to hear Archon haven't shelved all plans for sci-fi, at least.

On the subject of miniature sizes, as someone who hasn't bought any of Archon's fantasy minis, here's my two cents: When I hear miniatures are "too small" (and smaller than Frostgrave is certainly too small for me,) that's a lost sale.

 GreenScorpion wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Weird to invalidate the 200 or so models they already released tho.

While invalidating current miniatures might be odd, given there were lots of complaints about the scale being small, it might make sense to do the shift now rather than continue to see the complaints.
Not sure if that will be the case though.

Are there some comparison shots, all I found they look fine sized to me. I would prefer them not to go too big, but I guess it depends what minis you are putting them with.

Apple fox wrote:

 GreenScorpion wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Weird to invalidate the 200 or so models they already released tho.

While invalidating current miniatures might be odd, given there were lots of complaints about the scale being small, it might make sense to do the shift now rather than continue to see the complaints.
Not sure if that will be the case though.

Are there some comparison shots, all I found they look fine sized to me. I would prefer them not to go too big, but I guess it depends what minis you are putting them with.

Couldn't find much in terms of scale comparisons or reviews of the minis, other than this picture from Archon in the third page of the thread:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/797368.page#11112295

While they seem to be roughly in scale with what would be regular 28mm miniatures, I have seen some complaints on the forum and in kickstarter about the size or the thinner proportions.
If I end up getting one of those sets I might get a picture with some other miniatures.

That’s the one I found, they look great size to me and would fit in with the lines common in the RPG community I thought.

So I dunno, I been wanting to buy a set. But haven’t found much option yet here.

The thinner proportions were definitely a thing, but the size thing seemed pretty overblown.
Yeah, they may not be as tall as modern GW stuff like roided out chaos marauders or some of the Conquest models that have giant blood in them, but with "average" sized human models they'll work quite nicely. I thought Empire, Frostgrave, and LOTR stuff should work quite nicely with the Woodhaven offerings.

Plus you can always cheat with basing shenanigans if need be.

DaveC wrote:New blog post with faction details and more minis/concepts

https://archon-studio.com/blog/plenty-is-no-plague-400-models-in-the-campaign

It looks like the concept artist has a reasonable idea what they're doing. The sculptor, less so.

> I have seen some complaints on the forum and in kickstarter about the size or the thinner proportions.

Good point. Proportions can definitely differ between companies on the same scale. I've heard the term "realistic" proportions contrasted with GW. No need to buy a miniature that doesn't fit your collection!

> That fantasy outsells sci-fi?

Yep. With generic fantasy, you can pretty much make a generic fantasy miniature that fits in with the Tolkein-D&D-HeroQuest mishmash out there. I think part of the popularity of generic fantasy are the boardgames and RPG's that are generic fantasy based, such as D&D.

With SF, most of SF are specific franchises, often IP-related, and typically incompatible. That is, you can't exactly drop in a Star Trek or Firefly character into a Star Wars or Aliens universe, not that you can't homebrew a rules set for a crossover. Plus retail companies (eg. boardgames) would have to pay a licensing fee, which they don't need for generic fantasy.

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AMA 10th February

- D&L Encounters - shipping started today expected to take 3 to 4 weeks to complete, 1000 to 1500 expected to ship next week.
EDIT the mats won’t arrive until next week so if you have one in your order you’ll be waiting a bit longer

- Retail releases 26th February -

D&L Sewers includes Nubble mini,
Fantasy props pack 109 pieces inc bridge,
City scatter bits 93 pieces,
City Streets includes street lamps,
Wooden Cottage,
Roof Set,
Rampart Kazumi Temple,
Wolverine Tank,
MoTU Battleground Wave 4 - The Power of the Evil Horde
MoTU Battleground - Hordak on Mantisaur - trade shows or online direct only from Archon preorder 13th to 26th February limited release only available around trade show
dates also available from Legion Distribution stand at Cannes International Games Festival.

- MoTU Fields of Eternia new dragons expansion (no minis printed materials only)

- D&L 5 Deuslair - no launch date yet - when it's ready - end of March start of April but might be May depends on what they have ready to show, Jarek wants 3D minis to show rather than concept drawings.
various large minis shown - custom bases where required - see pictures
Base pack for smaller minis
KS exclusive mini for returning backers at €89 or above (mentioned Roblin related)
Community SG - first one for 8,000 followers on prelaunch page
First 48 hour backer mini

Only D&L 5 & 6 KS planned for 2023. No Rampart this year

"Lasers" - likely to become part of Rampart rather than D&L - also other project planned with "lasers" components. Focus on fantasy for D&L "lasers" needs to be it's own thing.

Curved walls planned for D&L 6

No Woodhaven minis (Townsfolk etc.) available in D&L5 only Encounters minis. No plans to upscale Woodhaven minis.

Bases from Encounters are slightly shorter in height than the Woodhaven set. Bases only in increments of 25mm for grids (25,50,75) so don't expect 40mm 60mm etc.

Expect more giants.

For D&L 6 Caves - 3 themes - Regular caves, Lovecraft/horror/body horror, 3rd is a surprise

D&L 5 Bestiary - 5e compatible but also allows for open play for other systems. Hardback book.

Thanks for the info! More they show less interested I am in Duslair. More giants is definitely good news as the current one has no options unless you count shoulder sitting goblin as one. So hopefully will they release a kit that could be close to current GW Mancrusher Gargant with variety of heads, armament etc. but cheaper (especially after the recent price increase announcement from GW).

Deuslair didn't really interest me but I think an €89 pledge will probably be worth backing even if I'm not interested in some of it. I'm more interested in the Desert themed add on.

 DaveC wrote:
I'm more interested in the Desert themed add on.

It will be minis only, right? No terrain like sand lost temples etc.?

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
I'm more interested in the Desert themed add on.

It will be minis only, right? No terrain like sand lost temples etc.?

Minis only is what they've said any terrain would be as part of bases etc. not stand alone.

 DaveC wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
I'm more interested in the Desert themed add on.

It will be minis only, right? No terrain like sand lost temples etc.?

Minis only is what they've said any terrain would be as part of bases etc. not stand alone.

Maybe they will bring a sphinx as a living statue? Not the same as a sand temple but still nice to have

Someone was not paying attention when they shot the Kazumi box art pics. One of the six-window walls is upside down. Check the upper left and upper right rear box art pics...

Deliveries are starting to show up and include a Deuslair sample box.

Pics (not mine )