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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Just to toss my two cents, i personally like it best when models have a torso-legs piece, and fully interchangeable arms and heads, like the Skitarii. Feels to me like it's the best compromise between having natural looking poses, and not being completly monopose. Bonus points if diffrent kits are compatibile, like with the regular Skitarii, the cavalry and all the drivers on their various vehicles.

I agree. That is exactly how Frostgrave/Fireforge/WGA minis are, and they are very popular being able to be interchangeable between various kits. I had built Fireforge zombies before and every mini looks different with just different head and arms put on 6 versions of available torso-leg piece.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Whomever suggest I simply save my last big post on this: Thank you. This saves so much time.

Saves time to do what exactly? Continue your endless crusade against monopose models? I am not sure what you are trying to achieve by repeating the same complaints over and over.

Don't bother calculating at which step of denial I am because I don't care. In fact, no-one does.

And for the record, I agree with many of your concerns.

do we have sprue pics of the new boyz? Unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree that this may end up being a Chaos Warriors situation and this fully monopose situation where we get only 10 new ork boyz solely in the combat patrol box with mixed shoota/slugga weapon loadout and no new ork boyz standalone box, or it could be a sisters of battle/chaos space marine situation where there's a monopose version of the kit unique to the start collecting box and a more poseable version of the kit to come later in a standalone box.

Hard to say where we're at right now, but if they really are updating the packaging of the old ork boyz kit, I'm caught between being sad and not sad.

Sad, because combat patrol box boyz are going to look incredibly silly next to the boyz you get to fill out your army (if you were crazy enough to actually want more boyz than what comes in the patrol, lol) and not sad because it means the old kit will stay available with its full compatibility with old models like lootas warbikers etc.

Literally all they had to do was upsize the models in the torso and legs only, and they could have kept the exact same arm and head style they had before to maintain the same kit swappability they had before. Stupidly easy stuff.they even kept the style of shirts that orks have always worn that make the common ork arm join less visible - but they removed the customizability that that silly style of shirt allowed for lol. You can even see the classic "Join hiding shoulder pad" and "join hiding shoulder strap" on several of the boyz, lol.

I'm the #1 guy that comes out in favor of new style kits but if there's no sisters of battle/csm style full box multipose kit coming, this is incredibly sad and low effort. They had such an easy slam dunk here if they'd just updated only the torsos and legs and kept the old arm and head join.

Funny you should ask that Scotsman!



Also, all three items have this:

Combat Patrol: Orks is the first chance to get your hands on this Warboss in Mega Armour.

This box is the only place to get the new Boyz for now, so snap it up this weekend.

Once again, this is your first opportunity to secure this kit, which is currently exclusive to Combat Patrol: Orks.

So they are planning a release.

Hmmm.

Looks like it’s the CSM issue - not enough Shootas or Sluggas & Choppas to equip the whole squad the same.

Unsurprisingly, the sprue looks exactly as I predicted - with the sole exception of an unexpected big choppa.

At least they didn't cut any options.

tneva82 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Gw hasn't done non-monopope kit for ages.

Almost all of the full Primaris kits are multipose, you can put any arms on any body and mix and match between the kits. SoB are almost the same, though there integrated shoulder plates and the robe sleeves limit combinations a bit. Still, most arms fit most bodies. I don't know how these orks are, but I really dislike how people use 'monopose' to mean 'torso and legs are in the same piece' That's not what it means. Skitarii aren't monopose, Necromunda gangs are not monopose.

If you can swap bolter to meltagun that's still monopose. Battle sisters are monopose. Same pose, different weapon. Key being it's monoPOSE.

Repentia is dual pose. Rest are mono.

Weapon option multipose makes not. Especially when it's for specific model.

Look at imperial guard commisar. You can give bolt pistol or plasma pistol but its still same POSE. It's monopose. Swappable pistol difference does not make. Pose is still same.

But Skitarii, Sisters, and Necromunda gangs are more than just weapon swaps apart.

But sure, if I can't pose every single joint in my model, are we saying that's monopose? So all my old Tactical Marines, squatting down with their fixed leg positions, aren't multipose, because I can't straighten every leg, have every knee angled exactly where I want it, have every finger extended on those hands?

Could you show me a true multipose model, where every part of them is poseable?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmmm.

Looks like it’s the CSM issue - not enough Shootas or Sluggas & Choppas to equip the whole squad the same.

It's the same sprue, duplicated to give you 20 boyz in the box apparently.

Does mean that you'll always end up with the potential to build two squads out of one box...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmmm.

Looks like it’s the CSM issue - not enough Shootas or Sluggas & Choppas to equip the whole squad the same.

Zog it, you're right! It's even worse, it's 5 sets of choppa/slugga, 3 shootas, nob and big shoota or rokkit launcha.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Funny you should ask that Scotsman!



Also, all three items have this:

Combat Patrol: Orks is the first chance to get your hands on this Warboss in Mega Armour.

This box is the only place to get the new Boyz for now, so snap it up this weekend.

Once again, this is your first opportunity to secure this kit, which is currently exclusive to Combat Patrol: Orks.

So they are planning a release.

By Mork, the heads fused to arms and shoulderpads, it's even worse than i could imagine.

Guess you haven't seen recent gw kits. Common feature these days.

That sucks. Like really bad.
The old Boyz kit is dated for sure but it was compatible with everything from Savage Orks to Burnabommaz.

Well, I hope people like them, because they're gonna see them a lot.

In the same army.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
By Mork, the heads fused to arms and shoulderpads, it's even worse than i could imagine.

Really? Essentially all releases for the last four year or so have been that way.

Not being able to create a 20 Ork mob of either just shootas or choppas and sluggas straight out of the box is a baffling choice.

Is the new Ork boy unit a mix of both (much like skeletons in AOS can freely mix spears and swords in a unit) or is it either or?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Funny you should ask that Scotsman!



Also, all three items have this:

Combat Patrol: Orks is the first chance to get your hands on this Warboss in Mega Armour.

This box is the only place to get the new Boyz for now, so snap it up this weekend.

Once again, this is your first opportunity to secure this kit, which is currently exclusive to Combat Patrol: Orks.

So they are planning a release.

By Mork, the heads fused to arms and shoulderpads, it's even worse than i could imagine.

Indeed.
And worst of it all, only 3 (!?) shootas for 10 boyz?!

 Jidmah wrote:
Really? Essentially all releases for the last four year or so have been that way.

For basic Troop choices? Nah chief.
Basically all the Primaris stuff, Genestealer Cultists, Skitarii, the plastic Death Korps, Chaos Marines, the new Sisters, hell even special units like Incubi all have much greater ability for head/weapon swaps than these new Boyz. Even the more recent Ork and Orruk kits still follow the classic Ork head swap gimmick.

Right. This is actually monopose. Can you tell the difference between this and Primaris/SoB/Skitarii/Necromunda kits? Stop calling everything monopose, words mean things.

They can freely mix.

Slugga and Choppa is the basic one - but any Boy can swap out for a Shoota.

Of course, this is a set of 9 Boyz and one Nob (hehehe. Nob). But a Mob can only have one Nob….

Good luck fielding larger units, I guess?

 Jidmah wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
By Mork, the heads fused to arms and shoulderpads, it's even worse than i could imagine.

Really? Essentially all releases for the last four year or so have been that way.

No, not really.

 Crimson wrote:
Right. This is actually monopose. Can you tell the difference between this and Primaris/SoB/Skitarii/Necromunda kits? Stop calling everything monopose, words mean things.

Monopose is 1 pose. Hint is in the name even if you don't grasp it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They can freely mix.

Slugga and Choppa is the basic one - but any Boy can swap out for a Shoota.

Of course, this is a set of 9 Boyz and one Nob (hehehe. Nob). But a Mob can only have one Nob….

Good luck fielding larger units, I guess?

This is two sprues, building 9 Boyz and one Nob.

The Combat Patrol comes with 2 sets of those two sprues, allowing you to build 18 Boyz and 2 Nobs.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They can freely mix.

Slugga and Choppa is the basic one - but any Boy can swap out for a Shoota.

Of course, this is a set of 9 Boyz and one Nob (hehehe. Nob). But a Mob can only have one Nob….

Good luck fielding larger units, I guess?

Had not even considered the bigger unit issue...swing and a miss GW. Such a shame when these look great.

Oh feth off GW. I was gonna buy two of these but now I’ll buy zero. I wanted to make two units of twenty shoota boyz.

I was meaning if you want a mob of 30. You’ll end up with 27 Boyz, 1 Nob and 2 spare Nobz.


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Crimson wrote:Right. This is actually monopose. Can you tell the difference between this and Primaris/SoB/Skitarii/Necromunda kits? Stop calling everything monopose, words mean things.

Agreed - these actually *are* monopose, not just "torso and legs connected", which isn't monopose.

tneva82 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Right. This is actually monopose. Can you tell the difference between this and Primaris/SoB/Skitarii/Necromunda kits? Stop calling everything monopose, words mean things.

Monopose is 1 pose. Hint is in the name even if you don't grasp it.

Great, so we can agree that Primaris, Sisters, Skitarii and Necromunda models aren't monopose? Lovely.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Gw hasn't done non-monopope kit for ages.

Almost all of the full Primaris kits are multipose, you can put any arms on any body and mix and match between the kits. SoB are almost the same, though there integrated shoulder plates and the robe sleeves limit combinations a bit. Still, most arms fit most bodies. I don't know how these orks are, but I really dislike how people use 'monopose' to mean 'torso and legs are in the same piece' That's not what it means. Skitarii aren't monopose, Necromunda gangs are not monopose.

If you can swap bolter to meltagun that's still monopose. Battle sisters are monopose. Same pose, different weapon. Key being it's monoPOSE.

Repentia is dual pose. Rest are mono.

Weapon option multipose makes not. Especially when it's for specific model.

Look at imperial guard commisar. You can give bolt pistol or plasma pistol but its still same POSE. It's monopose. Swappable pistol difference does not make. Pose is still same.

But Skitarii, Sisters, and Necromunda gangs are more than just weapon swaps apart.

But sure, if I can't pose every single joint in my model, are we saying that's monopose? So all my old Tactical Marines, squatting down with their fixed leg positions, aren't multipose, because I can't straighten every leg, have every knee angled exactly where I want it, have every finger extended on those hands?

Could you show me a true multipose model, where every part of them is poseable?

...I can but it's a dire avenger I made in blender XD

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I was meaning if you want a mob of 30. You’ll end up with 27 Boyz, 1 Nob and 2 spare Nobz.


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Aye, you are also locked into taking heavy weapons as well. No idea how many of those you are permitted to take in bigger units.

At least the current Boyz kit avoids the Nob issue (fnarr fnarr) and heavy weapons. Really myopic from GW. Guess the sculptors were handcuffed into fitting it all onto just the 2 sprues so major compromises had to be made. A shame.

 Gert wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Really? Essentially all releases for the last four year or so have been that way.

For basic Troop choices? Nah chief.
Basically all the Primaris stuff, Genestealer Cultists, Skitarii, the plastic Death Korps, Chaos Marines, the new Sisters, hell even special units like Incubi all have much greater ability for head/weapon swaps than these new Boyz. Even the more recent Ork and Orruk kits still follow the classic Ork head swap gimmick.

Well, at least the *entire* DG range is like this.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmmm.

Looks like it’s the CSM issue - not enough Shootas or Sluggas & Choppas to equip the whole squad the same.

At least the CSM kit comes with the ability to make the whole squad as bolters, though. and there are more than just 10 heads...