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This boyz kit is not even monopose. Is easy to build.

I never played 40k orks but I played Fantasy greenskins. Chopping all the bitz of the sprues and separating them in little piles (heads, torsos, etc...) and just miximg then on the fly was the most fun I had building anything in this hobby.

This new boyz look great. Much better than the old ones. But I'm sad that this is, again, a "Chaos Warrior" thing. A monopose, extremely cool looking and easy to build remake of a troop unit that doesn't even exist outside a starter box. I just cannot understand the reasoning behind this.

Dare we hope this is just a simplified option for this box, and we’re getting a proper one for general retail?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Right. This is actually monopose.

This is pretty typical. It's been this way - in 40k at least - since the Death Guard release. Sorry you don't see that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dare we hope this is just a simplified option for this box, and we’re getting a proper one for general retail?

I really hope so. I bought the Kill Team set with the hope of restarting my Ork army, but if it's like this, I won't be.

H.B.M.C. wrote:This is pretty typical. It's been this way - in 40k at least - since the Death Guard release. Sorry you don't see that.

What is typical is to have monopose in some combobox and multipose later as a separate kit. Happened with many different sorts of Primaris marines, happened with CSM, happened with SoB. Granted, it doesn’t always happen and as GW obviously focuses more on Imperials than Xenos so it might not happen with orks.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dare we hope this is just a simplified option for this box, and we’re getting a proper one for general retail?

I am just about 50-50 riding the ol' line at this point. I want to believe that GW doesn' thave their head far enough up their butt to not realize that people who play freaking ORKS want to customize their miniatures, but it's possible that they've gotten up the minor and major intestine at this point and the stomach acid might be affecting their brain enough that theyre actually going with a Chaos Warriors style release, where a new player gets their mono-pose boyz kit, they build it, and then they buy a second boyz kit to build out the squad and go

"What.....what the hell? Why are these half the size??"

 the_scotsman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Right. This is actually monopose.

This is pretty typical. It's been this way - in 40k at least - since the Death Guard release. Sorry you don't see that.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE! Every kit gw comes out with is equivalently monopose! ignore the fact that all ten kommandos in the new kill team box can either be built with their special weapon option or a choppa/slugga! GW only ever does full monopose! There is no such thing as a kit with two intended poses and a kit with swappable heads and arms, the sisters of battle kit does not exist!

Yeah, is a little tiresome at this point.

GW produces enough true monopose kits to critizise them about them, you don't need to crap in the multipose or better kits they also do. The problem is that back in the day GW had a clear design philosophy behind their model lines. Now is basically a lottery. Will you receive a Rock Troll, Krieg, Sisters of Battle, Primaris Intercessors style release? A full monopose one? WHO KNOWS!

Interesting little detail I noticed recently is that Dark Sphere have the old Boyz kit with an image of new 9E-style box art:

https://www.darksphere.co.uk/p.php?p=1843

That's not something they'd have just mocked up themselves in photoshop, it'll have come officially from GW. And if GW have bothered to do that it means the old Boyz might not actually be going away.

GW could plausibly plan to keep both kits going side-by-side by releasing new Boyz separately under the ETB label, while the old kit is still available to cover a wider range of options. That explains why the codex entry doesn't now say "unit consists of 3 shoota boyz and 6 slugga boyz".

the thing that kills me always with this kind of thing is that I can see the good, sensible business strategy in the ruins of the dump GW took on the project. It's like a monkey got fifteen letters into hamlet and then smeared gak all over the paper and typewriter.

Putting a monopose kit in the starter box is actually NOT a bad idea, business-wise, for GW. it cuts down on the number of people who are going to buy multiple copies of the box to get a discount and it cuts down on the people who will 'pull a black reach' and just go to ebay to buy the starter box version instead of buying the full kit.

Then, it would just be so, so easy to release a new boyz kit where you update the torso and legs with the new proportions, while keeping the heads and arms roughly the same size with the same joins so that theyre still fully compatible with the existing range.

That allows you to include the kind of zany, highly unique, dynamic poses in the starter box, like the sister with the flamer and the flaming corpse, because you assume someone who's going to collect the army is going to buy the bundle box ONCE, and then the multipart kit multiple times, and you get the best of both worlds - one in ten of your orks doesn't have to be kick-flipping off a dynamic rock, and you get to have one guy doing a cool thing you can't make out of the standard kit in your army.

They got the formula...allllmost perfect with Sisters (still a couple of overly-unique poses in that kit tbh that could have been in the starter box) but since then theyve flubbed it with CSM Chaos Warriors and now, apparently, orks.

 Galas wrote:
This boyz kit is not even monopose. Is easy to build.

Some would say easy to build is a subset of monopose.

 xttz wrote:
Interesting little detail I noticed recently is that Dark Sphere have the old Boyz kit with an image of new 9E-style box art:

https://www.darksphere.co.uk/p.php?p=1843

That's not something they'd have just mocked up themselves in photoshop, it'll have come officially from GW. And if GW have bothered to do that it means the old Boyz might not actually be going away.

GW could plausibly plan to keep both kits going side-by-side by releasing new Boyz separately under the ETB label, while the old kit is still available to cover a wider range of options. That explains why the codex entry doesn't now say "unit consists of 3 shoota boyz and 6 slugga boyz".

The old Boyz are staying for now at least, they have been repackaged.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Galas wrote:
This boyz kit is not even monopose. Is easy to build.

Some would say easy to build is a subset of monopose.

Yeah but, normally monopose at least brings stuff like deathguard proper kits, multiple heads, some weapon choices, etc... Easy to Build are kits buildable without glue, with 0 options (like the old proper and cheaper ETB, great kits, or the scam that is the necron destroyers or primaris outriders). I know this one has options for the nobz and the heavy weapon but... as I said, is basically the Slaves to Darkness SC! over again.

 the_scotsman wrote:

They got the formula...allllmost perfect with Sisters (still a couple of overly-unique poses in that kit tbh that could have been in the starter box) but since then theyve flubbed it with CSM Chaos Warriors and now, apparently, orks.

I wouldn't say so. I mean, the CSM kit has his problems (the lack of full bolters and chainsword options) don't get me wrong but just look at his sprues compared with this ork boyz ones. And the CSM kit is fully compatible with the Havoc Kit.

 the_scotsman wrote:
the thing that kills me always with this kind of thing is that I can see the good, sensible business strategy in the ruins of the dump GW took on the project. It's like a monkey got fifteen letters into hamlet and then smeared gak all over the paper and typewriter.

Putting a monopose kit in the starter box is actually NOT a bad idea, business-wise, for GW. it cuts down on the number of people who are going to buy multiple copies of the box to get a discount and it cuts down on the people who will 'pull a black reach' and just go to ebay to buy the starter box version instead of buying the full kit.

Then, it would just be so, so easy to release a new boyz kit where you update the torso and legs with the new proportions, while keeping the heads and arms roughly the same size with the same joins so that theyre still fully compatible with the existing range.

That allows you to include the kind of zany, highly unique, dynamic poses in the starter box, like the sister with the flamer and the flaming corpse, because you assume someone who's going to collect the army is going to buy the bundle box ONCE, and then the multipart kit multiple times, and you get the best of both worlds - one in ten of your orks doesn't have to be kick-flipping off a dynamic rock, and you get to have one guy doing a cool thing you can't make out of the standard kit in your army.

They got the formula...allllmost perfect with Sisters (still a couple of overly-unique poses in that kit tbh that could have been in the starter box) but since then theyve flubbed it with CSM Chaos Warriors and now, apparently, orks.

Orks really stick out when ETB or mono-pose because they are so characterful, especially with no helmets, etc. It's easier to get away with it with Necrons, Space Marines, CSM or Sistsers because of the rank and file nature and due to the helmets.

Seems like both crowds can be happy now! Folks that wanted new boyz got ‘em! Folks that thought the old kit was the best thing ever! Get to keep them! Best of both worlds.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Galas wrote:
This boyz kit is not even monopose. Is easy to build.

Some would say easy to build is a subset of monopose.

I mean, all easy to build kits are without a doubt monopose, no? But not all monopose kits are easy to build.


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Dread Master wrote:
Seems like both crowds can be happy now! Folks that wanted new boyz got ‘em! Folks that thought the old kit was the best thing ever! Get to keep them! Best of both worlds.

When people said they wanted new Boyz i highly doubt this is what they wanted.

Seems like a really bizarre decision to model the new ork boyz like this, even if they ARE currently limited to the Combat Patrol box and are easy to build/monopose/whatever you want to call it. One of the big positives of the current/old ork boyz kit has always been that you can build a full 10 slugga boys or a full 10 shoota boys. Now with these new ones you'd need four(?) full squads in order to just build ONE 10-man shoota boy squad?

I guess they look cool, but what a huge miss by the design team.

You’d need three, as the base squad is 9 Boyz and a Nob.

It’s still crap though. Just not four box crap.

Ok so this is why the old Boyz kit is still around. These are just ETB Boyz.

So if you want a full Shoota Boyz mob you're supposed to also buy one of the old kits, right?

Good thing Shoota Boyz completely suck in the new codex so no one will have to.

Very strange move from GW. It feels like the new kit is missing a sprue. I get that you sometimes get a sprue budget and need to make do, but this is not even a full kit? It won't build a full mob. Or will they come 20 in a box, so you can build 12 Slugga Boyz, 6 Shoota Boyz and 2 Nobz. At least then you get a full mob but then you have 7 useless models collecting dust.

I dunno, I mean I got plenty of leftover Sluggas and arms so there really is no problem for me (on the other hand I already have all the Boyz I need), but I wonder what new players will think? It's such a strange decision.

 the_scotsman wrote:


WAKE UP SHEEPLE! Every kit gw comes out with is equivalently monopose! ignore the fact that all ten kommandos in the new kill team box can either be built with their special weapon option or a choppa/slugga! GW only ever does full monopose! There is no such thing as a kit with two intended poses and a kit with swappable heads and arms, the sisters of battle kit does not exist!

The sister of battle? Yes. Another monlpose kit.

Same pose is still same pose with different weapon. MonoPOSE means one pose. Not monoweapon.

I'm cool with the old ork boyz staying around. These new ones are...ehh. The old boys kit has aged pretty well, much better than eldar guardians and some of the other old kits in 40k.

This new kit even has heads attached to the shoulders. Probably best to look at it as a booster box to add more variety to your existing army.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You’d need three, as the base squad is 9 Boyz and a Nob.

It’s still crap though. Just not four box crap.

Three full squad boxes of newBoyz is still pretty bad though, and God help you if you, for whatever reason, wanted 20 or 30 boy mobs of shootas. Nevermind the required Nob build, so technically you're only getting 9 boyz per squad in the first place.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You’d need three, as the base squad is 9 Boyz and a Nob.

It’s still crap though. Just not four box crap.

Three full squad boxes of newBoyz is still pretty bad though, and God help you if you, for whatever reason, wanted 20 or 30 boy mobs of shootas. Nevermind the required Nob build, so technically you're only getting 9 boyz per squad in the first place.

For a single 30 boy mob of Shootas, you need 8 boxes if you want to include 3 Big Shootas. If you want a 30 boy mob of 29 Shoota boyz and a Nob, you need 10 boxes.

This makes me terrified for what they might do for a potential Eldar range refresh.

 dan2026 wrote:
This makes me terrified for what they might do for a potential Eldar range refresh.

Good thing most Eldar units don't get weapon options, eh?

tneva82 wrote:

 the_scotsman wrote:


WAKE UP SHEEPLE! Every kit gw comes out with is equivalently monopose! ignore the fact that all ten kommandos in the new kill team box can either be built with their special weapon option or a choppa/slugga! GW only ever does full monopose! There is no such thing as a kit with two intended poses and a kit with swappable heads and arms, the sisters of battle kit does not exist!

The sister of battle? Yes. Another monlpose kit.

Same pose is still same pose with different weapon. MonoPOSE means one pose. Not monoweapon.

....yeah, a model either holding a heavy flamer in two hands running forward is certainly posed exactly the same as a model holding a bolter in one arm and pointing with the other.

By your definition, literally every kit GW has ever made has been monopose. Ork Warbikers? Monopose, every model can only be posed riding on the warbike. Space Marine Tactical Squad? Monopose, models have to be standing, can't be running or kneeling or jumping. Drukhari Kabalite Warriors? Monopose, again, have to be standing. Wyches? Monopose, have to be running and 1/10 models has to be standing.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
This makes me terrified for what they might do for a potential Eldar range refresh.

Good thing most Eldar units don't get weapon options, eh?

Lol actually you are right. Can't screw Eldar when you never give them anything anyway.

 dan2026 wrote:
This makes me terrified for what they might do for a potential Eldar range refresh.

The new Howling Banshee kit is pose-limited, but at the very least you can create various types of motion by swapping which arms you attach to which model and which hair goes on each model. They're limited and it's frustrating as hell to pay as much for them as for a box of massively superior Harlequins, where they managed to fit not just a full 6 swords+pistols and sergeant specific parts but ALSO many different head options and ALSO a full equipment swap and ALSO 6 special weapons and they cost the same.

But if a new codex comes out and theyre no longer so trash that fielding 20 howling banshees might be in the realm of possibility for a sane person, I might pick up a box. For now, theyre not, so I won't cus I've already got 15 of various metal sculpts XD


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Overall the way I see it:

GW's got three ways they can go here

Best Case: 2-3 months down the line we get "The Real Ork Boyz Kit" and it turns out to be a Sister of Battle/Genestealer Cultist/Deathwatch/Space Marine/Chaos Space Marine situation where you've got an at least somewhat cutomizable kit with unique poses from the monopose kit.

Bad Case 1, looks to be how it's going now: GW just never releases new boyz but keeps selling the old ones, ala Chaos Warriors

Bad Case 2: We get Necron'd, the new monopose kit is the new kit have fun kids.

Best Case 2:
There's Easy to Build "booster" sprues coming, with 3 Slugga+Choppa Boyz and 6 Shoota Boyz.

The more I've been thinking on it the more weird this whole thing is. Necrons got both weapon options in their Warrior boxes. Why would Orks not?

Why did Chaos Marines get a weird mix for their infantry box?

 Kanluwen wrote:

The more I've been thinking on it the more weird this whole thing is. Necrons got both weapon options in their Warrior boxes. Why would Orks not?

I imagine probably because the "new" Boyz aren't actually meant as a replacement to the regular kit, and just an EtB kit that isn't very good, forcing you to buy more regular Boyz instead of just a lot of the new ones.