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 Trimarius wrote:
The locked sockets are to make the shoulder muscles line up realistically and allow poses other than the static, repeated ones you see in the current boyz kit.

As opposed to the static, repeated poses in the new Boyz kit.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Now, any third party arm for your Boyz or Kommandos has to be specifically made to attach to one single body, not only requiring much more effort, but also completly restricting the use of any 3rd-party bit to just one single body, absolutely gutting their use. Third party Ork arms or heads have gone from all being compatible with pretty much the entire Ork infantry range, to all having to be specifically made to fit one particular body.

Or, more likely, there just won't be 3rd party Ork bits made for the new kits.

Exactly what GW wants.

They're still plastic minis. If you're going to the effort of buying third party conversion bits, I'd expect you can handle a little trimming and maybe some gap-filling superglue to make a conversion work. People in this thread are acting like GW is going to come to your house and break your fingers if you try to build the new Orks any way other than what the instructions say.

The new Orks Boyz are a new kit with new features. They didn't invalidate or discontinue the existing boys. Everyone now has more model options, not less. This is not a crisis.

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Trimarius wrote:
How is preferring an interestingly posed miniature that's therefore obviously harder to kitbash "low standards"? Out of box quality and low impact conversion potential are different things.

It's only a better miniature if you're ever going to buy one since it can only be assembled one set way, meaning any new box is going to just give you identical clones of said interestingly posed miniature. That's out of box quality, and not low conversion potential.

 Trimarius wrote:
Also, how exactly does a square socket make it harder for third parties to produce bits or even whole replacement models? I'm sure the sculptors at victoria, kromlech, or wherever else have grasped the concept that a cube isn't a flat circle. It's not harder to model or cast up a bit with the appropriate connector

Ya don't get it do ya? Beforehand, since any arm could go on any body, regardless of the kit, so one could just knock out a load of new arm sculpts, that could be attached to any Ork body easily. Now, any third party arm for your Boyz or Kommandos has to be specifically made to attach to one single body, not only requiring much more effort, but also completly restricting the use of any 3rd-party bit to just one single body, absolutely gutting their use. Third party Ork arms or heads have gone from all being compatible with pretty much the entire Ork infantry range, to all having to be specifically made to fit one particular body.

Have you assembled boyz before? The current range of motion (that looks good and doesn't require any further work) is basically just a single plane for each of the slugga/choppa and which he's looking at. Every default ork boy stands in a generic squat with his arms more or less straight out in front of him. That single plane of movement helps disguise the six copies of "sword with skull handle" each unit has a bit, but they remain as obvious as the axis locked "zombie hug" arms are. Gork help you if you want shoota boyz, they're basically immobile besides some head tilt.

You get triple number of shoota poses in the new kit, for example: "charging", "hip fire", and "aiming" compared to the "all hip fire all the time" of the old one. The bizarre 3/5/1/1 split is annoyingly stupid (and I'm with anyone complaining about that), but you still get more poses. And it looks like it'll be easier to cut/swap heads than it currently is to reposition shoota arms.

Also, we know most of the kommando arms are swappable (according to people on here, I haven't picked any up), so you can still have most of them be reusable. Having a few bespoke arms (or altered sculpts that are just different connectors) that fit the odd men out isn't the end of the world. Just package them appropriately.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Trimarius wrote:
The locked sockets are to make the shoulder muscles line up realistically and allow poses other than the static, repeated ones you see in the current boyz kit.

As opposed to the static, repeated poses in the new Boyz kit.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Now, any third party arm for your Boyz or Kommandos has to be specifically made to attach to one single body, not only requiring much more effort, but also completly restricting the use of any 3rd-party bit to just one single body, absolutely gutting their use. Third party Ork arms or heads have gone from all being compatible with pretty much the entire Ork infantry range, to all having to be specifically made to fit one particular body.

Or, more likely, there just won't be 3rd party Ork bits made for the new kits.

Exactly what GW wants.

The new "ETB" boyz have ten unique, relatively dynamic poses that will be repeated a few times in a full size unit, yes. The old boyz had minor variations on one static, repeated pose but could repeat that one pose with different head/weapon combos. I'm not seeing how that's really any better? You're going to want to convert most of them, either way, if you want to avoid repetition.

GE’s job isn’t to make it easy for other companies to make money easily from GW product.

Third parties could always design and produce own orks.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
GE’s job isn’t to make it easy for other companies to make money easily from GW product.

Third parties could always design and produce own orks.

Woldn't GW make more money when you buy their Orks plus 3rd party bits than when you buy a whole third party Ork model? Or if they just offered conversion bits themselves?

The new "ETB" boyz have ten unique, relatively dynamic poses that will be repeated a few times in a full size unit, yes. The old boyz had minor variations on one static, repeated pose but could repeat that one pose with different head/weapon combos. I'm not seeing how that's really any better? You're going to want to convert most of them, either way, if you want to avoid repetition.

The old Orks could be mixed with parts from lootas, burnas, bikers, stormboyz or even the old fantasy battle Orks, so there was a whole lot of kitbash potential... no more of that with the new kit.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
They're still plastic minis. If you're going to the effort of buying third party conversion bits, I'd expect you can handle a little trimming and maybe some gap-filling superglue to make a conversion work. People in this thread are acting like GW is going to come to your house and break your fingers if you try to build the new Orks any way other than what the instructions say.

The new Orks Boyz are a new kit with new features. They didn't invalidate or discontinue the existing boys. Everyone now has more model options, not less. This is not a crisis.

That is, until such a time as they release these separate, of course.


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 TwilightSparkles wrote:
GE’s job isn’t to make it easy for other companies to make money easily from GW product.

Third parties could always design and produce own orks.

Well, some do. That's why some get C&Ds.

I’ve never understood GW (and others) attitude that 3rd party bits are bad for business, because every bit requires you to have bought a GW model to put it on in the first place. And more extensive conversions often require you to buy several kits just to make one unit or even a single model!

If anything this situation* is worse for business, because with very limited sculpts in an army that lives and breathes on variety, people are more likely to buy whole models from 3rd parties rather than just bits. That will actually be reducing GW sales. And “Space Orcs” is not something GW can easily C&D, it’s too generic.

*Assuming they start retiring the old kit(s), which fortunately doesn’t seem to be on the cards just yet…

 Jadenim wrote:
I’ve never understood GW (and others) attitude that 3rd party bits are bad for business, because every bit requires you to have bought a GW model to put it on in the first place.

Money isn't infinite. If you spend some of your disposable income on 3rd party bits that money isn't going to additional GW purchases. They want your entire hobby budget going to their products if possible.

So there is only 3 shoota boyz in the kit? If anyone want a full unit of them it's gonna be the same 3 repeated over and over? Or are the shoota arms free to go on any of the bodies? (Unlikely).

 Skywave wrote:
So there is only 3 shoota botz in the kit? If anyone want a full unit of them its gonna be the same 3 repetead over and over? Or are the shoota free to go on any bodies? (Unlikely).

Begun, the clone waaaghz have

 Skywave wrote:
So there is only 3 shoota botz in the kit? If anyone want a full unit of them its gonna be the same 3 repetead over and over? Or are the shoota free to go on any bodies? (Unlikely).

Just 3 per box.

That's why the current Boyz kit is still on sale.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Skywave wrote:
So there is only 3 shoota botz in the kit? If anyone want a full unit of them its gonna be the same 3 repetead over and over? Or are the shoota free to go on any bodies? (Unlikely).

Just 3 per box.

That's why the current Boyz kit is still on sale.

That's a bit of a relief, but too bad if someone see the new models, love the look of them, and want 10+ shootas of them I guess!

Oh yeah, shoota boy units will look terribly homogenous with only 3 models and the big shoota lad used over and over again.

No one will do that. They’ll buy the old box and mix them in.

That is my plan, BTW...


You seen the new prices for these new boyz, yet?

That army from just a few years ago is DONE, son!

I had that Beastsnagga army in hand, at the counter, hand in pocket... I was good putting it back.

These new guys look on par to the old boyz like a head taller NOB. You won't need any more then about three boxes, before you get tired of the clones.

My personal idea, is that you will see some Shoota specific boxes, or new type of Boyz later in the year. ORKTOBER is almost on us, expect to hear more.

Have we reached the point where Orktober is the new plastic Thunderhawk?
Always on the horizon, never getting closer.

My personal idea, is that you will see some Shoota specific boxes, or new type of Boyz later in the year. ORKTOBER is almost on us, expect to hear more.

GW is really bad at actually pulling off a proper Orktober, I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing anything new that we haven't seen before. For a better Orktober than anything GW does, take a look at Kromlech.

Dread Master wrote:
No one will do that. They’ll buy the old box and mix them in.

The issue with that might be that the new orks look sufficiently different that they will look weird in a mixed squad with the old ones. I'd like to actually see a side by side comparison.

There are already pics where they are in the same shot.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

My personal idea, is that you will see some Shoota specific boxes, or new type of Boyz later in the year. ORKTOBER is almost on us, expect to hear more.

GW is really bad at actually pulling off a proper Orktober, I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing anything new that we haven't seen before. For a better Orktober than anything GW does, take a look at Kromlech.

A) it was always one off. Never even suggested yearly
B) codex, discount box and about 7 kits. Not too bad for non-space marine month

Pre-orders are up at NZ. Warboss and Deffkoptas are also Easy-to-build as expected. Big 'Ed Boss Bunka looks better in 360° pic.

Everyone-1 being E2B will probably try to deter people from wanting to buy multiples. I wanted two and now I know I don't want three.

Perfect for stalling out actual posable new boyz for another edition at the very least.

Good thing I want a Speed Freek force, not so much infantry.

Bad thing I want Koptaz...

Battlewagon gonna be a bit pricey, but at least I could get all I want in a single box and magnetize it.

 CMLR wrote:
Everyone-1 being E2B will probably try to deter people from wanting to buy multiples. I wanted two and now I know I don't want three.

Perfect for stalling out actual posable new boyz for another edition at the very least.

The disappointment from me is I don't like the existing boyz. I like Orks in general, but the existing Boyz kit feels like a 20 year old kit, because it is a 20 year old kit.

I was looking for a new Boyz kit to kickstart an Ork army, especially after the really nice Kommandos I was hoping for some decent Boyz. With these monopose Boyz it basically sinks that idea.

I'm behind in the rules, is it even legal to take a mob with 3 shootas / 5 sluggas?

Battlewagon gonna be a bit pricey, but at least I could get all I want in a single box and magnetize it.

GW are one of the few that thinks bundling two items together in one box calls for a price rise


I saw on one of the 3rd party stores that the RRP in Oz for the new Battlewagon is $165AUD, up from $110 previously. I don't know what the upgrade sprue used to cost in AUD though.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Everyone-1 being E2B will probably try to deter people from wanting to buy multiples. I wanted two and now I know I don't want three.

Perfect for stalling out actual posable new boyz for another edition at the very least.

The disappointment from me is I don't like the existing boyz. I like Orks in general, but the existing Boyz kit feels like a 20 year old kit, because it is a 20 year old kit.

I was looking for a new Boyz kit to kickstart an Ork army, especially after the really nice Kommandos I was hoping for some decent Boyz. With these monopose Boyz it basically sinks that idea.

I'm behind in the rules, is it even legal to take a mob with 3 shootas / 5 sluggas?

Battlewagon gonna be a bit pricey, but at least I could get all I want in a single box and magnetize it.

GW are one of the few that thinks bundling two items together in one box calls for a price rise

It is legal to take mix and match sluggas and shootas, but usually there's no point in doing that since it dilutes the unit's ability to do shooting or CC, especially in this edition where choppas are clearly the superior option.

And yeah, agreed on the boyz situation. GW shouldn't have taken the half measure with the new sculpt, they should have gone all in and made it a proper multi-part plastic kit with modularity.

I saw on one of the 3rd party stores that the RRP in Oz for the new Battlewagon is $165AUD, up from $110 previously. I don't know what the upgrade sprue used to cost in AUD though.

The new Combat Patrol is $230AUD RRP and the Snagga Boyz $84AUD, so a bit more expensive than the Cadians that were re-released with the new upgrade sprue.

The new Battlewagon box should've been less expensive than the previous kit and the upgrade sprue togather - afterall, Start Collecting kits and Combat Patrols don't cost MORE than their individual contents, now do they?

Ok pre-orders are up in Oz and holy fething hell, GW really did put the Battlewagon up AUD$55 for by including a AUD$22 sprue.

It went from AUD$110 to AUD$165. That is literally a 50% price increase over the base price for one sprue that didn't even cost that much to begin with. 25% increase if combined... for nothing. Literally nothing.

My decision to get an "old" Battlewagon earlier in the week (for AUD$87) now seems incredibly prescient.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok pre-orders are up in Oz and holy fething hell, GW really did put the Battlewagon up AUD$55 for by including a AUD$22 sprue.

It went from AUD$110 to AUD$165. That is literally a 50% price increase over the base price for one sprue that didn't even cost that much to begin with. 25% increase if combined... for nothing. Literally nothing.

My decision to get an "old" Battlewagon earlier in the week (for AUD$87) now seems incredibly prescient.

That's highway robbery right there. I hate how regional pricing is so inconsistent for the different kits, I really feel for you guys in Australia considering how many times you get shafted for prices down there. Canada doesn't get treated much better considering we're right next to the U.S., so much for the commonwealth getting treated any better for staying loyal to the crown in history lol.

So has anyone gone through the new rulebook from the beast snagga box?

Are boys squads better in squads of 10 or? I know the go to used to be 30.

What about Beast snagga boyz? squads of 10 or squads of 20?

Honestly with that box being out for a month or so now I am surprised I haven't seen anything about boy squad sizes.

angel of death 007 wrote:
So has anyone gone through the new rulebook from the beast snagga box?

Are boys squads better in squads of 10 or? I know the go to used to be 30.

What about Beast snagga boyz? squads of 10 or squads of 20?

Honestly with that box being out for a month or so now I am surprised I haven't seen anything about boy squad sizes.

Currently boyz are generally best as 10 man squads of trukk boyz if you take them at all. There's no incentive with taking over 10 since they lost the Unstoppable Green Tide strat and the 20+ unit buff. Furthermore, morale greatly impacts their usefulness since they're easy to whittle down with the nerfs to mob rule and loss of other morale abilities in the Ork codex.

Beast snaggas are in a similar situation, taking 10 in a trukk is fine, but they also aren't that great. You're better off taking grotz as troops filler for detachments or trukk boyz for alpha strike capability.