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endlesswaltz123 wrote: It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.
What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.
Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.
How is she a female Marine? Does she have the Astartes keyword? ATSKNF? Chapter Tactics?
She's a high ranking Sister with great wargear. S/T5 comes from the suit and her spear does a lot of lifting in melee. She's just a souped up named Canonness in a warsuit with a nice pointy stick.
Stats and Wargear are very marine like, but that wasn't the point I was making, the special rules are basically marine special rules, specifically Bobby G, there's more nuance in sisters rules to do something more favourable that fits into their special rules rather than just re-doing the marine special rules on a different army (that then start to act more like marines also, castle up etc).
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Yeah, it's a really boring model in terms of rules. Just brute force stuff - rerolls, half damage, etc. Not nearly as interesting as the Triumph, or Celestine for that matter.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.
What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.
Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.
How is she a female Marine? Does she have the Astartes keyword? ATSKNF? Chapter Tactics?
She's a high ranking Sister with great wargear. S/T5 comes from the suit and her spear does a lot of lifting in melee. She's just a souped up named Canonness in a warsuit with a nice pointy stick.
Stats and Wargear are very marine like, but that wasn't the point I was making, the special rules are basically marine special rules, specifically Bobby G, there's more nuance in sisters rules to do something more favourable that fits into their special rules rather than just re-doing the marine special rules on a different army (that then start to act more like marines also, castle up etc).
Speaking as a fluff bunny; Garbage fluffy rules are worth garbage.
Her rules need to add to the army in a way that makes sense and is useful. That's a hard thing to do, so as Supreme High Canoness she gets a really souped up versions of regular HQ abilities.
As powerful as she is, she probably still won't hit as hard as the other melee beatstick models out there. In return she gets a lot more survivability, and a pretty good buff. (Celestians were already getting full hit rerolls within 6" of a Canoness, after all.) I'm assuming that she won't benefit from <Order> keyword abilities. So yeah, she's meant to team up with a bodyguard of paragon suits or those shield Celestians and create a smash unit that won't immediately get slaughtered after its first melee combat phase.
Compared to daemon princes, redemptor dreads, flyrants, blight drones, Talos engines...her abilities just don't seem terribly shocking. And like everyone points out, it will really depend on her point cost.
Now narratively... The idea of the leader of the entire Adepta Sororitas organization is also going to be their most badass face-puncher, jetting around the galaxy getting into skirmishes with orks instead of doing her real job? That's fething stupid, but sadly is now the norm in our post-Guilliman-Heresy era of game lore.
Hankovitch wrote: As powerful as she is, she probably still won't hit as hard as the other melee beatstick models out there. In return she gets a lot more survivability, and a pretty good buff. (Celestians were already getting full hit rerolls within 6" of a Canoness, after all.) I'm assuming that she won't benefit from <Order> keyword abilities. So yeah, she's meant to team up with a bodyguard of paragon suits or those shield Celestians and create a smash unit that won't immediately get slaughtered after its first melee combat phase.
Compared to daemon princes, redemptor dreads, flyrants, blight drones, Talos engines...her abilities just don't seem terribly shocking. And like everyone points out, it will really depend on her point cost.
Now narratively... The idea of the leader of the entire Adepta Sororitas organization is also going to be their most badass face-puncher, jetting around the galaxy getting into skirmishes with orks instead of doing her real job? That's fething stupid, but sadly is now the norm in our post-Guilliman-Heresy era of game lore.
Yeah! It's as dumb as kings and queens appearing on battlefi- nevermind.
Lore until now has had the position vacant, it's not a position that can't have work delegated out or covered, she doesn't *need* to be in the office building.
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I'm not sure comparing 40k to the real world is very useful one way or the other in terms of how it "should be," but rulers historically very rarely fought on the front lines, even if they were present in the general vicinity of the battle.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.
What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.
Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.
How is she a female Marine? Does she have the Astartes keyword? ATSKNF? Chapter Tactics?
She's a high ranking Sister with great wargear. S/T5 comes from the suit and her spear does a lot of lifting in melee. She's just a souped up named Canonness in a warsuit with a nice pointy stick.
Stats and Wargear are very marine like, but that wasn't the point I was making, the special rules are basically marine special rules, specifically Bobby G, there's more nuance in sisters rules to do something more favourable that fits into their special rules rather than just re-doing the marine special rules on a different army (that then start to act more like marines also, castle up etc).
Canoness does the re-rolls to hit of 1 already, and we can bet money the Palatine does the re-roll to wounds of 1.
And if she got anything it'll likely be a bonus to Acts of Faith, or Faith Dice or something similar. That's the big Sisters mechanic after all.
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Hankovitch wrote: As powerful as she is, she probably still won't hit as hard as the other melee beatstick models out there. In return she gets a lot more survivability, and a pretty good buff. (Celestians were already getting full hit rerolls within 6" of a Canoness, after all.) I'm assuming that she won't benefit from <Order> keyword abilities. So yeah, she's meant to team up with a bodyguard of paragon suits or those shield Celestians and create a smash unit that won't immediately get slaughtered after its first melee combat phase.
Compared to daemon princes, redemptor dreads, flyrants, blight drones, Talos engines...her abilities just don't seem terribly shocking. And like everyone points out, it will really depend on her point cost.
Now narratively... The idea of the leader of the entire Adepta Sororitas organization is also going to be their most badass face-puncher, jetting around the galaxy getting into skirmishes with orks instead of doing her real job? That's fething stupid, but sadly is now the norm in our post-Guilliman-Heresy era of game lore.
Nah. Abbess usually make a pilgrimage before they can claim their seat from Terra to Ophelia VII and back again before they claim their high seat and we had rules for one in 2nd edition. Plus martyrdom is a major theme for the faction. If she dies on the battle field in the Emperor's name then she's an example to all others in the Sisterhood.
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endlesswaltz123 wrote: It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.
What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.
Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.
How is she a female Marine? Does she have the Astartes keyword? ATSKNF? Chapter Tactics?
She's a high ranking Sister with great wargear. S/T5 comes from the suit and her spear does a lot of lifting in melee. She's just a souped up named Canonness in a warsuit with a nice pointy stick.
Stats and Wargear are very marine like, but that wasn't the point I was making, the special rules are basically marine special rules, specifically Bobby G, there's more nuance in sisters rules to do something more favourable that fits into their special rules rather than just re-doing the marine special rules on a different army (that then start to act more like marines also, castle up etc).
Canoness does the re-rolls to hit of 1 already, and we can bet money the Palatine does the re-roll to wounds of 1.
And if she got anything it'll likely be a bonus to Acts of Faith, or Faith Dice or something similar. That's the big Sisters mechanic after all.
It's such a Sisters mecanic there are is already a named character and a slew of unnamed characters/models that do that. None of which feature in most lists.
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endlesswaltz123 wrote: It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.
What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.
Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.
How is she a female Marine? Does she have the Astartes keyword? ATSKNF? Chapter Tactics?
She's a high ranking Sister with great wargear. S/T5 comes from the suit and her spear does a lot of lifting in melee. She's just a souped up named Canonness in a warsuit with a nice pointy stick.
Stats and Wargear are very marine like, but that wasn't the point I was making, the special rules are basically marine special rules, specifically Bobby G, there's more nuance in sisters rules to do something more favourable that fits into their special rules rather than just re-doing the marine special rules on a different army (that then start to act more like marines also, castle up etc).
Canoness does the re-rolls to hit of 1 already, and we can bet money the Palatine does the re-roll to wounds of 1.
And if she got anything it'll likely be a bonus to Acts of Faith, or Faith Dice or something similar. That's the big Sisters mechanic after all.
It's such a Sisters mecanic there are is already a named character and a slew of unnamed characters/models that do that. None of which feature in most lists.
If by named character you mean the Hover Pulpit, she is faction locked to the faction that generates bonus Faith dice as a mechanic. Everyone is more for Bloody Rose though because it lets the army (mainly Repentia) blend better and hard hitting melee is strong in this edition.
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endlesswaltz123 wrote: It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.
What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.
Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.
How is she a female Marine? Does she have the Astartes keyword? ATSKNF? Chapter Tactics?
She's a high ranking Sister with great wargear. S/T5 comes from the suit and her spear does a lot of lifting in melee. She's just a souped up named Canonness in a warsuit with a nice pointy stick.
Stats and Wargear are very marine like, but that wasn't the point I was making, the special rules are basically marine special rules, specifically Bobby G, there's more nuance in sisters rules to do something more favourable that fits into their special rules rather than just re-doing the marine special rules on a different army (that then start to act more like marines also, castle up etc).
Canoness does the re-rolls to hit of 1 already, and we can bet money the Palatine does the re-roll to wounds of 1.
And if she got anything it'll likely be a bonus to Acts of Faith, or Faith Dice or something similar. That's the big Sisters mechanic after all.
It's such a Sisters mecanic there are is already a named character and a slew of unnamed characters/models that do that. None of which feature in most lists.
Named character is faction locked to the faction that generates bonus Faith dice as a mechanic. Everyone is more for Bloody Rose though because it lets the army (mainly Repentia) blend better and hard hitting melee is strong in this edition.
Umm... no. Triumph isn't faction locked. I think we may have crossed wires...
endlesswaltz123 wrote: It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.
What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.
Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.
How is she a female Marine? Does she have the Astartes keyword? ATSKNF? Chapter Tactics?
She's a high ranking Sister with great wargear. S/T5 comes from the suit and her spear does a lot of lifting in melee. She's just a souped up named Canonness in a warsuit with a nice pointy stick.
Stats and Wargear are very marine like, but that wasn't the point I was making, the special rules are basically marine special rules, specifically Bobby G, there's more nuance in sisters rules to do something more favourable that fits into their special rules rather than just re-doing the marine special rules on a different army (that then start to act more like marines also, castle up etc).
Canoness does the re-rolls to hit of 1 already, and we can bet money the Palatine does the re-roll to wounds of 1.
And if she got anything it'll likely be a bonus to Acts of Faith, or Faith Dice or something similar. That's the big Sisters mechanic after all.
It's such a Sisters mecanic there are is already a named character and a slew of unnamed characters/models that do that. None of which feature in most lists.
Named character is faction locked to the faction that generates bonus Faith dice as a mechanic. Everyone is more for Bloody Rose though because it lets the army (mainly Repentia) blend better and hard hitting melee is strong in this edition.
Umm... no. Triumph isn't faction locked. I think we may have crossed wires...
I thought you were talking about Junith, but she gives rerolls to OoML:
Fiery Conviction: Re-roll hit rolls of 1 and wound rolls of 1 for attacks made by models in friendly ORDER OF OUR MARTYRED LADY units whilst their unit is within 6" of this model.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.
What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.
Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.
How is she a female Marine? Does she have the Astartes keyword? ATSKNF? Chapter Tactics?
She's a high ranking Sister with great wargear. S/T5 comes from the suit and her spear does a lot of lifting in melee. She's just a souped up named Canonness in a warsuit with a nice pointy stick.
Stats and Wargear are very marine like, but that wasn't the point I was making, the special rules are basically marine special rules, specifically Bobby G, there's more nuance in sisters rules to do something more favourable that fits into their special rules rather than just re-doing the marine special rules on a different army (that then start to act more like marines also, castle up etc).
Canoness does the re-rolls to hit of 1 already, and we can bet money the Palatine does the re-roll to wounds of 1.
And if she got anything it'll likely be a bonus to Acts of Faith, or Faith Dice or something similar. That's the big Sisters mechanic after all.
It's such a Sisters mecanic there are is already a named character and a slew of unnamed characters/models that do that. None of which feature in most lists.
Named character is faction locked to the faction that generates bonus Faith dice as a mechanic. Everyone is more for Bloody Rose though because it lets the army (mainly Repentia) blend better and hard hitting melee is strong in this edition.
Umm... no. Triumph isn't faction locked. I think we may have crossed wires...
I thought you were talking about Junith, but she gives rerolls to OoML:
Fiery Conviction: Re-roll hit rolls of 1 and wound rolls of 1 for attacks made by models in friendly ORDER OF OUR MARTYRED LADY units whilst their unit is within 6" of this model.
Sorry, in hindsight I should've been clearer. It was a response to the 'give sisters more MD stuff instead of this' that was suppose to point out that Sisters already have MD stuff we aren't using. We dont need more...
I don't see why people here are arguing to have her buff acts of faith or stuff like that.
That would be dumb. Like very very dumb. It would make her into a saintly figure, which she is not.
She is literally just a random canoness which was elevated to Lord of Terra for political reasons. She does exactly what other Canonesses do, except that she has an overwhelming autority given by her position. She doesn't boost faith like a procession of relics or a living saint. She doesn't hand out invulnerable saves.
She is just a random canoness in a big suit with a big weapon with a lot of autority.
Adding any buff related to faith or stuff like that would completely break her character, and THAT would be hero creep.
Automatically Appended Next Post: As for the stats... she is a venerable dreadnaught in both melee and shooting output. Is that really broken for a model which is likely to be costed in the 300+ realm? Not to mention that she is VERY easy to kill in melee.
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Spoletta wrote: As for the stats... she is a venerable dreadnaught in both melee and shooting output. Is that really broken for a model which is likely to be costed in the 300+ realm?
Not to mention that she is VERY easy to kill in melee.
Very easy to kill?
32 hits(not attacks) from powerfist not enough.
24 hits from flat 3 damage power fist is needed to kill.
Shows how nutty 40k has gone if that's easy to kill.
10 Damage 1 attacks or 5 damage 3 attacks in close combat is a pretty sub-optimal build for a 60 point Succubus these days, lol.
That said, I am not really concerned about the characters.
It's basic battle sisters they need to up. If your basic Wych throws out 4 attacks, hitting on 2s on Ap -1 / -2 before any drugs or even choosing an Obsession, a more expensive Battle Sisters before Orders/Faith-stuff doing a single attack on 4+ with no AP is just ridiculous.
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Spoletta wrote: As for the stats... she is a venerable dreadnaught in both melee and shooting output. Is that really broken for a model which is likely to be costed in the 300+ realm?
Not to mention that she is VERY easy to kill in melee.
Very easy to kill?
32 hits(not attacks) from powerfist not enough.
24 hits from flat 3 damage power fist is needed to kill.
Shows how nutty 40k has gone if that's easy to kill.
No it's your math that has become nutty.
12 damage 3 hits kill her. 8 wound, 4 pass through -> 8 damage.
10 if they come from strenght 10.
She is about as hard to kill in melee as a Plague Marine 6 man squad, and for a (supposedly) 300 point beatstick, that's quite bad.
She is a model on the level of Ghaz or a C'than and among those she is without a doubt the easiest to kill in melee.
Dedicated MSU melee units can one round this model.
Sunny Side Up wrote: 10 Damage 1 attacks or 5 damage 3 attacks in close combat is a pretty sub-optimal build for a 60 point Succubus these days, lol.
That said, I am not really concerned about the characters.
It's basic battle sisters they need to up. If your basic Wych throws out 4 attacks, hitting on 2s on Ap -1 / -2 before any drugs or even choosing an Obsession, a more expensive Battle Sisters before Orders/Faith-stuff doing a single attack on 4+ with no AP is just ridiculous.
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Sunny Side Up wrote: 10 Damage 1 attacks or 5 damage 3 attacks in close combat is a pretty sub-optimal build for a 60 point Succubus these days, lol.
That said, I am not really concerned about the characters.
It's basic battle sisters they need to up. If your basic Wych throws out 4 attacks, hitting on 2s on Ap -1 / -2 before any drugs or even choosing an Obsession, a more expensive Battle Sisters before Orders/Faith-stuff doing a single attack on 4+ with no AP is just ridiculous.
Curious, I don't remember basic wytches having a 3+ armor, bolters, grenades, pistols and being able to carry special and heavy ranged weapons. Also, basic Wytches hit on 3+.
Basic sisters are fine like they are. Let's not ask for power creep thanks.
How about you try to build an army with her once the codex is there ? We'll then see how good she really is...and if it doesn't cripple the rest by being too expensive.
But for that, you have to wait for the full rules and point costs to come.
Until then, hyperboles will keep being hyperboles. Even more useless when it's done litterally for nothing, since we can't play her right now.
The whole suit just doesn't do it for me personally just on appearances alone. I find it also a bit ridiculous for a High Lord to be on the battlefield.
I think it would be darkly humorous if she gets charged for dereliction of a High Lord's duties. A High Lord can do the most good for the Imperium role by trying to steer and streamline (ha!) the bureaucracy, not by pulping random cultists or Orks.
Spoletta wrote: As for the stats... she is a venerable dreadnaught in both melee and shooting output. Is that really broken for a model which is likely to be costed in the 300+ realm?
Not to mention that she is VERY easy to kill in melee.
Very easy to kill?
32 hits(not attacks) from powerfist not enough.
24 hits from flat 3 damage power fist is needed to kill.
Shows how nutty 40k has gone if that's easy to kill.
No it's your math that has become nutty.
12 damage 3 hits kill her. 8 wound, 4 pass through -> 8 damage.
10 if they come from strenght 10.
She is about as hard to kill in melee as a Plague Marine 6 man squad, and for a (supposedly) 300 point beatstick, that's quite bad.
She is a model on the level of Ghaz or a C'than and among those she is without a doubt the easiest to kill in melee.
Dedicated MSU melee units can one round this model.
She is more comparable to a Lord of Contagion with 2 wounds more in a defensive profile. If theres a problem with this girl is not how hard she is in meele.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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Iracundus wrote: The whole suit just doesn't do it for me personally just on appearances alone. I find it also a bit ridiculous for a High Lord to be on the battlefield.
I think it would be darkly humorous if she gets charged for dereliction of a High Lord's duties. A High Lord can do the most good for the Imperium role by trying to steer and streamline (ha!) the bureaucracy, not by pulping random cultists or Orks.
They said she's a High Lord because of Roboute Guilliman. It's clear she's not a "regular High Lord of Terra", if such a thing does exist. Reason she went on Crusade with blessing of Roboute will certainly be explained in more details in the codex / Charadon book of fire.
Iracundus wrote: The whole suit just doesn't do it for me personally just on appearances alone. I find it also a bit ridiculous for a High Lord to be on the battlefield.
I think it would be darkly humorous if she gets charged for dereliction of a High Lord's duties. A High Lord can do the most good for the Imperium role by trying to steer and streamline (ha!) the bureaucracy, not by pulping random cultists or Orks.
They said she's a High Lord because of Roboute Guilliman. It's clear she's not a "regular High Lord of Terra", if such a thing does exist. Reason she went on Crusade with blessing of Roboute will certainly be explained in more details in the codex / Charadon book of fire.
I'd quite like if it they let slip that Roboute picks suicidal crusading fundamentalists for senior ecclesiarchy positions because they have a life expectancy of three weeks, and therefore can never build up too much of a power base or following that might prove inconvenient.
Iracundus wrote: The whole suit just doesn't do it for me personally just on appearances alone. I find it also a bit ridiculous for a High Lord to be on the battlefield.
I think it would be darkly humorous if she gets charged for dereliction of a High Lord's duties. A High Lord can do the most good for the Imperium role by trying to steer and streamline (ha!) the bureaucracy, not by pulping random cultists or Orks.
Which is and was true for every sufficiently high authority for all armies in 40K since they show up. There's no reason Eldrad or Aun'va or the Silent King or Mortarion or any Chapter Master or even a random GSC Patriarch would ever go into a fight of a few dozens or so soldiers fighting over a roughly 150 feet by 100 feet patch of battleground somewhere.
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Iracundus wrote: The whole suit just doesn't do it for me personally just on appearances alone. I find it also a bit ridiculous for a High Lord to be on the battlefield.
I think it would be darkly humorous if she gets charged for dereliction of a High Lord's duties. A High Lord can do the most good for the Imperium role by trying to steer and streamline (ha!) the bureaucracy, not by pulping random cultists or Orks.
Which is and was true for every sufficiently high authority for all armies in 40K since they show up. There's no reason Eldrad or Aun'va or the Silent King or Mortarion or any Chapter Master or even a random GSC Patriarch would ever go into a fight of a few dozens or so soldiers fighting over a roughly 150 feet by 100 feet patch of battleground somewhere.
This always irked me to no end, and is the reason why I always avoid any kind of unique/named char.
It even bothers me that the tyranids have "artifacts". I play bugs because they are 100% anonimous and would love if OOE became just an alpha strain of fex, same for Red Terror or Death Leaper. Unique things have no place in the bug's faction.
Sarouan wrote: They said she's a High Lord because of Roboute Guilliman. It's clear she's not a "regular High Lord of Terra", if such a thing does exist.
By the (old) fluff the most senior member of the sororitas holds one of the non-permanent seats of the high lords (whereas individuals such as the fabricator general always have a seat at the table).
The sisters had been voluntarily leaving the position vacant since the disappearance of it's previous holder, with the Ecclesiarch representing their interests at the top table.
Iracundus wrote: The whole suit just doesn't do it for me personally just on appearances alone. I find it also a bit ridiculous for a High Lord to be on the battlefield.
I think it would be darkly humorous if she gets charged for dereliction of a High Lord's duties. A High Lord can do the most good for the Imperium role by trying to steer and streamline (ha!) the bureaucracy, not by pulping random cultists or Orks.
Guilliman is a High Lord and he gets to stomp around on the table.
