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If you think there were only 2 good units in the old codex is suggests you were running repentia/retributor cheese builds.

Yes, it's junith who gives the light cover, so not cover.

Thinking thats the best build in the book though really tells me about your thinking. It's a goddamned meme build.

Lammia wrote:

 Duskweaver wrote:

Lammia wrote:
*sigh* Spears can be used one handed. Lets not start this again.

Spears can. Halberds can't. They are very different weapons.

Not really... Halberds are just poorly weighted

Like, I legit don't care that warhammer models can't effectively use their weapons if you tried to make them a real life mock up since the setting is high octane ridiculousness, but let's not get so far the other way that we start pretending that it was totally effective and realistic to do gak like wield halberds one handed because the pretty models are posed that way.

Halberds are a two handed weapon, as are almost all polearms. It is a simply case of leverage and body mechanics. Not even weight handwaved by space magic or whatever.


Though without a two handed model, it limits the utility for gw doing cool action poses. There are neat things you do with a halberd (which is why halberds were invented and you didn't just use spears), though they're probably better suited for formation visuals. I'd love to see a model posed going in for a hook.

dammit wrote:
If you think there were only 2 good units in the old codex is suggests you were running repentia/retributor cheese builds.

Yes, it's junith who gives the light cover, so not cover.

Thinking thats the best build in the book though really tells me about your thinking. It's a goddamned meme build.

Of course there were more than two good units in the book, but people who whine about 'cheese' tend to focus down on the best of what's available.

Large blobs of battle sisters have the most overall synergy with the rest of the book. With almost every good offensive unit being stripped of a good amount of their damage the best bet you'll have is to sit on objectives and hope your opponent kills you too slow to win.

So yeah, what should be a meme build is likely one of our most competitive options now.

Omfg, the bloody rose build seems better than ever. I'm really debating between them or our martyred lady.

One thing that the goonhammer review mentioned, was how hard it's stack up inv save to 4++. The indomitable belief warlord trait gives +1, while dogmata prayer gives another +1. So I guess not that hard really.

you're the person claiming 2 good units, not me.

You're going on ignore until you stop chicken littling.


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 Spreelock wrote:
Omfg, the bloody rose build seems better than ever. I'm really debating between them or our martyred lady.

One thing that the goonhammer review mentioned, was how hard it's stack up inv save to 4++. The indomitable belief warlord trait gives +1, while dogmata prayer gives another +1. So I guess not that hard really.

The thing is it's no longer two auras.


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More reading looks like you might be able to put beneficence on a sister superior, or is that canoness with chainsword only? (edit-any model with chainsword, with the 1cp strat)

dammit wrote:
you're the person claiming 2 good units, not me.

You're going on ignore until you stop chicken littling.


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 Spreelock wrote:
Omfg, the bloody rose build seems better than ever. I'm really debating between them or our martyred lady.

One thing that the goonhammer review mentioned, was how hard it's stack up inv save to 4++. The indomitable belief warlord trait gives +1, while dogmata prayer gives another +1. So I guess not that hard really.

The thing is it's no longer two auras.


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More reading looks like you might be able to put beneficence on a sister superior, or is that canoness with chainsword only? (edit-any model with chainsword, with the 1cp strat)

Whine about cheese builds, gets mad when he realizes cheese builds weren't ever a thing. Typical.

ERJAK wrote:
Battle sisters bump up to 20 comes at the expense of MSU units no longer getting 2 specials.

Which is a doggak trade.

This book wants you to blob infantry sooooo badly. Imagifier is worthless for defense. -1 to wound for S3 attacks isn't even an ability. Repentia superior completely worthless. Yeah, let's have a character that can only buff a unit that doesn't have a save use their ability in the COMMAND phase. Stupid.

Paragons are terrible. Vehicles with a 6+ invul don't work for 80pts a pop. Zephyrim lose reroll to wounds, so they're gak.

And of course they nerf flails. I hate this book so goddamn much.

You are soo disingenuous but expected from you. Zephyrim lost the reroll to wounds and gained a innate +1 to wound and +1 attack. Less rerolls is always better. They were flying rodent gak insane with damage in meele before.

So what Sisters units are now limited in their weapon choices?

 Galas wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Battle sisters bump up to 20 comes at the expense of MSU units no longer getting 2 specials.

Which is a doggak trade.

This book wants you to blob infantry sooooo badly. Imagifier is worthless for defense. -1 to wound for S3 attacks isn't even an ability. Repentia superior completely worthless. Yeah, let's have a character that can only buff a unit that doesn't have a save use their ability in the COMMAND phase. Stupid.

Paragons are terrible. Vehicles with a 6+ invul don't work for 80pts a pop. Zephyrim lose reroll to wounds, so they're gak.

And of course they nerf flails. I hate this book so goddamn much.

You are soo disingenuous but expected from you. Zephyrim lost the reroll to wounds and gained a innate +1 to wound and +1 attack. Less rerolls is always better. They were flying rodent gak insane with damage in meele before.

They get a stratagem that gives them +1 to wound. Not an innate ability. They were also fairly strong as an out of deepstrike melee missile geared towards taking on a wide variety of targets with low or no invuls. 'flying rodent gak' is not an apt descriptor for a unit that was walled pretty effectively by a 5++.

Also, it's funny how it's SOOO disingenuous but the only specific objection you had was incorrect in at least 2 ways.

But then again, what I else could I expect from you.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So what Sisters units are now limited in their weapon choices?

BSS atm

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So what Sisters units are now limited in their weapon choices?

Battle Sisters can't take 2 specials in a 5 girl unit anymore.

Looks like just the standard squad.

1 special/heavy at 5-9
1 special + 1special/heavy at 10-19
2 special + 2special/heavy at 20

celestians and domions both seem the same

Sisters are still great. I just saw a battle report online. It featured the new sisters vs the new Admech. It was a nail biter fight down to round 5. Both sides gave as good as they got. It was just crazy how powerful both sides were.

dammit wrote:
Looks like just the standard squad.

1 special/heavy at 5-9
1 special + 1special/heavy at 10-19
2 special + 2special/heavy at 20

celestians and domions both seem the same

That's still a nerf they didn't need

No, you see, this 60 point model only makes 10 s5 ap-2 cc attacks now.


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Lammia wrote:
That's still a nerf they didn't need

It's basically nothing.

The text was tiny and hard to read, but did the Dominions get their pre-game movement INSIDE of a transport back... at the expense of it only being 6 inches instead of full?

I mean, there's a lot of the "sky is falling" going on, but it looks like they set out to bring back some overachieving units in-line and bring up anything not named Valorous Heart or Bloody Rose.

Overall, it looks like a power decrease (where it was due), but flavor increase.

Edit: also keep in mind that the 8th Codex was regarded as one of the best/strongest, even by 9th standards. So... seeing some tweaks downward shouldn't be as much of a shock as people are making it out to be.

yeah, dominions get to drive their rhino pregame.

And if their friends are in the back seat, they come along too.

dammit wrote:
No, you see, this 60 point model only makes 10 s5 ap-2 cc attacks now.


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Lammia wrote:
That's still a nerf they didn't need

It's basically nothing.

Well i need to repaint base squad markings and buy box or two bss to compensate for spare　superiors.

Might be month or two before i get to try sisters.


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Purifying Tempest wrote:
The text was tiny and hard to read, but did the Dominions get their pre-game movement INSIDE of a transport back... at the expense of it only being 6 inches instead of full?

I mean, there's a lot of the "sky is falling" going on, but it looks like they set out to bring back some overachieving units in-line and bring up anything not named Valorous Heart or Bloody Rose.

Overall, it looks like a power decrease (where it was due), but flavor increase.

Edit: also keep in mind that the 8th Codex was regarded as one of the best/strongest, even by 9th standards. So... seeing some tweaks downward shouldn't be as much of a shock as people are making it out to be.

Well as players want their army buffed to op as general if book power stays same it's worst book evah

I guess I'm lucky that the people I play with don't refuse to play because the artistic flourishes on my model aren't 100% identical

Is this a 2 wave release, haven’t seen that battle tank yet and was hoping for a combat patrol box too, want to start a collection and that’d be a nice start?

The expectation is all that is next week

dammit wrote:
The expectation is all that is next week

I’ll keep my fingers crossed, cheers for the reply.

Post the actual wording for the squads' special/heavy weapons or stop talking about it.

End of story. The Skitarii one is open-worded enough that it very well might be that your previous builds aren't invalidated, but rather you've interpreted it wrong.

The hell is your problem?

If less than 9 models, 1 battle sister can replace with 1 from special weapons, 1 from heavy weapons.

For every 10 models, 1 battle sister can replace with 1 from special weapons

For every 10 models, 1 battle sister can replace with 1 from special weapons, 1 from heavy weapons.

Literally exactly what I put earlier but for some reason you wanted more letters.

dammit wrote:
This book sounds amazing. I wasn't looking to use any obnoxious cheese builds that existed in the 8th codex so no nerfs in sight.

I think I saw a setup that gives a 20 sister unit 4++, counts as in cover (did i imagine this part?), transhuman for a turn, ap-1/-2 reduced by 1, counts as 40 for obsec.

That's a warrior blob+++

Also 48 auto hit s6 ap-1 from flamers on penitent engines/moritfiers. This codex really wants you to take flamers.

Also, goonhammer suggested the remove invuln miraculous ability was a once-per battle but that hasn't been supported by the text as far as I can see (the warcom article said once per battle but I read that as the upgrade that gives the miraculous ability can only be used once per battle).

The Blessings are in 2 parts. A passive that is always working and an active that is once per game

These blessings are made up of two parts: the first is a persistent effect that applies all battle long, while the second can only be temporarily activated by expending a Miracle die.

Each blessing can only be used once per battle, so make sure your Canoness or Palatine of choice is geared up to take the best advantage of it before you get started.

Has anyone seen any pics of a full Sacresants unit with halberds? GW only appears to the showing the mace variants everywhere, aside from the 2 figures largely shown in the one webstore picture (also on the previous page), one of which is the one that was first previewed. Still curious how all standard poses work/look with halberds, which is difficult to tell from sprue pictures.

 Ordana wrote:

dammit wrote:
This book sounds amazing. I wasn't looking to use any obnoxious cheese builds that existed in the 8th codex so no nerfs in sight.

I think I saw a setup that gives a 20 sister unit 4++, counts as in cover (did i imagine this part?), transhuman for a turn, ap-1/-2 reduced by 1, counts as 40 for obsec.

That's a warrior blob+++

Also 48 auto hit s6 ap-1 from flamers on penitent engines/moritfiers. This codex really wants you to take flamers.

Also, goonhammer suggested the remove invuln miraculous ability was a once-per battle but that hasn't been supported by the text as far as I can see (the warcom article said once per battle but I read that as the upgrade that gives the miraculous ability can only be used once per battle).

The Blessings are in 2 parts. A passive that is always working and an active that is once per game

These blessings are made up of two parts: the first is a persistent effect that applies all battle long, while the second can only be temporarily activated by expending a Miracle die.

Each blessing can only be used once per battle, so make sure your Canoness or Palatine of choice is geared up to take the best advantage of it before you get started.

yeah, you can only take each blessing once. That does not mean you can only use the miraculous ability once. What it means that that you can't have two characters with the same blessing.

People seem to be reading it wrong, or not evidencing what they're saying. The blessing is not the miraculous ability. I'm going to check the review vids and see if there's some additional wording that hasn't been shown

Edit - each miraculous ability can be used once. It's written on the page, there, but is not the same rule that says each blessing can only be used once.

Lammia wrote:
We're talking about the weight of an unknown material in a post-hyperspace civ that has anti-grav tech...

"Anything goes because space-magic" is not a serious argument. Also, if you think making what is primarily a cutting weapon effectively weightless and/or not caring about leverage with a polearm are good ideas, then that suggests you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Unless you're talking about the weight of the shields rather than the halberds? In which case you sort of have a point, but it's not really relevant to whether the halberds could reasonably be wielded one-handed.

Putting the shield on a shoulder-strap and holstering the pistol would make wielding the halberd perfectly fine. No space-magic needed. But as the models are actually, um, modelled by GW, they just look a bit silly, like they're posing with all their weapons out rather than fighting.

But my original point was just that they'd look better converted to be two-handing the halberds, not that the models shouldn't exist or that they shouldn't have halberds and shields. If other people think they look cool as-is, then that's fine. People are allowed to be wrong.

Personally, I find the shield attached to the side of a pistol far more egregious than one handed halberds. I think, if I was going to use these minis, I’d ditch the shields altogether and give them new left arms, either empty handed or holding pistols.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Personally, I find the shield attached to the side of a pistol far more egregious than one handed halberds. I think, if I was going to use these minis, I’d ditch the shields altogether and give them new left arms, either empty handed or holding pistols.

Those shields must be an absolute murder on the wrists and finger, imagine holding up a man-sized slab of solid metal by only a one-handed pistol grip.