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If I'm following you correctly, wouldn't he have to had specified original AI for you to sensibly make that argument?

JWBS wrote:
If I'm following you correctly, wouldn't he have to had specified original AI for you to sensibly make that argument?

This started when I made a Warmaster crack, W:TOW was used as a whataboutism response, I refuted it and stated it was apples to oranges essentially. Someone brought up AI as a game that was released and then rereleased, so it almost fit but was never a major retail line like WM was, so it didn't apply. You should be all caught up now.

“New Warmaster” posts have a strong case of “Stop trying to make ‘fetch’ happen.”

drbored wrote:

Spoiler:

Some interesting nuggets here in the White Dwarf. The timing is very interesting. We know the White Dwarf comes out in the middle of the month now, and here we have hints at...

Lauka Val, the Mother of Nightmares... and a very tall, very creepy looking vampire model going up against the Lumineth in the battle report. I'm thinking this is a new thing we'll see revealed in Warhammer Fest, likely alongside the rest of the Soulblight release. I'm going to bet they'll want to push the Soulblight out pretty quickly in May. Like they do with many AoS releases, I'd bet it'll all come out in one week.

That isn't the May WD though, I already have it. So June WD at best.

But the June WD will come out in the middle of May is the point.

Okay, that makes sense.

It is fair to assume that any previously unrelevealed miniatures that are featured on WD will be officially revealed at Warhammer Fest before anyone starts leaking (more) potato pics.

New models being featured in WD means that they should have been released already if it weren't for delays. Given that WD is printed months in advance and release schedule is lagging months behind, I wouldn't draw any solid conclusions regarding release date.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

That isn't the May WD though, I already have it. So June WD at best.

Not sure what you are talking about. That picture is an official preview of white dwarf 464 which is the May issue.

There is also very good evidence that the model pictured is not a conversion but a new named character for AoS which will also have a generic version.

Is it?
I haven’t gotten one in a while, but I’m pretty sure they always used to come out prior to the month as it were.
Mid April is Mays,
Mid May is June’s.
And so on

Danny76 wrote:
Is it?
I haven’t gotten one in a while, but I’m pretty sure they always used to come out prior to the month as it were.
Mid April is Mays,
Mid May is June’s.
And so on

It says May in the article and they don't print the month on the cover any more. All that suggests that we should see the Soulblight pretty soon, probably before Broken Realms: Kragnos.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
“New Warmaster” posts have a strong case of “Stop trying to make ‘fetch’ happen.”

It is a pity tho, it was the best version of Warhammer GW ever put out and actually felt like you fought with armies. It happens all the time sadly, but I'm still not sure what happened with warmaster models that Just Tony has flashbacks to this day.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
“New Warmaster” posts have a strong case of “Stop trying to make ‘fetch’ happen.”

Which is why I made the crack about 17 people worldwide playing it...

Cronch wrote:
It is a pity tho, it was the best version of Warhammer GW ever put out and actually felt like you fought with armies.

Like I said, you and 16 other people think this. Also, because Warmaster brought no real change to actual army sizes you basically were playing Warhammer with tiny models and fidgety awkward rules. But apparently someone liked it, right? That's why it was a long lasting game...

Cronch wrote:
It happens all the time sadly, but I'm still not sure what happened with warmaster models that Just Tony has flashbacks to this day.

Let us see...

Game comes out trying to ape the success of Epic, fails to capture the epic feel AND fails to introduce units that only were available in that system, which is the one thing that REALLY drew people to Epic. Once you started getting those super heavies in 40K proper the interest in Epic died down fast. Warmaster started from the END POINT where Epic died.

So game shows up, nobody buys it, GW kills it off the shelves after SIX MONTHS and relegates it to Specialist Games, essentially mail order. Shortly after the 1-2 punch of this and Inquisitor imploding on arrival we got a 25% price hike almost across the board on all existing games. This was NOT coincidence. Since people lapped up the price hike, Warmaster was indirectly responsible for the end result of GoldSwords type pricing.

And for the record, as a combat veteran I find your snide use of the word "flashback" rather insulting in this context.

That's why it was a long lasting game...

Considering that the rules have found good use in Warmaster Ancients and (with serial numbers filed off) in Blitzkrieg Commander/Future War commander, the ruleset itself ended up being quite long lasting.

This was NOT coincidence.

Correlation does not mean causation.And this seems like such a strange reasoning, as it implies GW wouldn't have raised prices anyway. By that time if I recall, they were already a traded company, and those have to maximize profit. Both Inquisitor and Warmaster were essentially one book and handful of metal casts, with no plastics ever produced. But I guess it's easier to believe that two small-scale publishing blunders would cause the company to hike prices across the board than that it was the inevitable result of having shareholders to cater to over customers.

Also I didn't know you suffer from ptsd, im sorry if you found the phrasing offensive.

Lads you know there is a fan made Warmaster Revolution rule set supported by 3-d print models from different sculptors. The models look ace.. tempted to get a few just to paint..

 Just Tony wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
“New Warmaster” posts have a strong case of “Stop trying to make ‘fetch’ happen.”

Which is why I made the crack about 17 people worldwide playing it...

Cronch wrote:
It is a pity tho, it was the best version of Warhammer GW ever put out and actually felt like you fought with armies.

Like I said, you and 16 other people think this. Also, because Warmaster brought no real change to actual army sizes you basically were playing Warhammer with tiny models and fidgety awkward rules. But apparently someone liked it, right? That's why it was a long lasting game...

Cronch wrote:
It happens all the time sadly, but I'm still not sure what happened with warmaster models that Just Tony has flashbacks to this day.

Let us see...

Game comes out trying to ape the success of Epic, fails to capture the epic feel AND fails to introduce units that only were available in that system, which is the one thing that REALLY drew people to Epic. Once you started getting those super heavies in 40K proper the interest in Epic died down fast. Warmaster started from the END POINT where Epic died.

So game shows up, nobody buys it, GW kills it off the shelves after SIX MONTHS and relegates it to Specialist Games, essentially mail order. Shortly after the 1-2 punch of this and Inquisitor imploding on arrival we got a 25% price hike almost across the board on all existing games. This was NOT coincidence. Since people lapped up the price hike, Warmaster was indirectly responsible for the end result of GoldSwords type pricing.

And for the record, as a combat veteran I find your snide use of the word "flashback" rather insulting in this context.

You would needt to be　silly to claim it was played by 2 digit numbers and doing　so is just admitting　publicly you know nothing and are just sprouting stupidity to stir trouble.

It's also not just selling/not selling whether game gets killed or not. Gw killed off　game that exceeded their own sale expectations by 400%. Rather it　sold too well competing with main　game and gw couldn't have　that.

Cronch wrote:

That's why it was a long lasting game...

Considering that the rules have found good use in Warmaster Ancients and (with serial numbers filed off) in Blitzkrieg Commander/Future War commander, the ruleset itself ended up being quite long lasting.

So two game systems I've never heard of, let alone seen in a store. Unmitigated long lasting success...

Cronch wrote:

This was NOT coincidence.

Correlation does not mean causation.And this seems like such a strange reasoning, as it implies GW wouldn't have raised prices anyway. By that time if I recall, they were already a traded company, and those have to maximize profit. Both Inquisitor and Warmaster were essentially one book and handful of metal casts, with no plastics ever produced. But I guess it's easier to believe that two small-scale publishing blunders would cause the company to hike prices across the board than that it was the inevitable result of having shareholders to cater to over customers.

A 5-10% price hike wouldn't be out of place, but 25% That's not normal. Period. You also look into the fact that more went into Warmaster and Inquisitor that "one book and a handful of metal casts" would infer. With them being loss leaders, and doubly so with Warmaster, something had to be done to offset the loss. Essentially everyone playing any of GW's games from that point on were subsidizing their failure.

Cronch wrote:
Also I didn't know you suffer from ptsd, im sorry if you found the phrasing offensive.

Would you have used different phrasing had you known? That's your cue that the phrasing was fethed up from the start. It's no different than using the "R" word as an insult or as a benchmark for the lowest point in human intelligence. It didn't suddenly start becoming wrong because someone whose life is affected by that condition comes within earshot. I wouldn't use autism or any crass term like that in the first place because it's wrong, not because someone might be triggered, and I don't think it's wrong of me to expect the same from others. Be better. End of discussion.

Calm down Rambo, it's a common phrase.

 Just Tony wrote:

Cronch wrote:

That's why it was a long lasting game...

Considering that the rules have found good use in Warmaster Ancients and (with serial numbers filed off) in Blitzkrieg Commander/Future War commander, the ruleset itself ended up being quite long lasting.

So two game systems I've never heard of, let alone seen in a store. Unmitigated long lasting success...

Well if you are in a GW Bubble chance is high you never heard of it, yet the YX-Commander rules are very common here (specially Cold War Commander)

and for GW itself, Battle of Five Armies was sold for a very long time as being the Warmaster rules with LotR Minis

Gents, with genuine respect.

Who cares.

Warmaster came, went and may yet come back again. Nobody outside of GW knows it’s relative popularity during its time on shelves.

If you enjoyed it, and continue to do so? Awesome, good for you.

If you didn’t enjoy it? Awesome, good for you.

But it makes for a very, very boring read.

Like I said, you and 16 other people think this. Also, because Warmaster brought no real change to actual army sizes you basically were playing Warhammer with tiny models and fidgety awkward rules. But apparently someone liked it, right? That's why it was a long lasting game...

"fidgety awkward rules"? And this is a pretty dumb thing to say, considering people still play it, and a lot more people still play the many rules based on it's system or evolved from it. A lot more than the number of people who still play whatever edition of fantasy that was out at the time. So yeah, the rules weren't awkward at all and it is a long lasting game. I don't know why that hurts you so much.

 Just Tony wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Also I didn't know you suffer from ptsd, im sorry if you found the phrasing offensive.

Would you have used different phrasing had you known? That's your cue that the phrasing was fethed up from the start. It's no different than using the "R" word as an insult or as a benchmark for the lowest point in human intelligence. It didn't suddenly start becoming wrong because someone whose life is affected by that condition comes within earshot. I wouldn't use autism or any crass term like that in the first place because it's wrong, not because someone might be triggered, and I don't think it's wrong of me to expect the same from others. Be better. End of discussion.

Dude, that's a really harsh response and in no way warranted. The term "flashback" doesn't come anywhere close to the other words you are describing.

I hope we get a new thread once previews start rolling. This one is rubbish.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want plastic Mk.II though.

I'd take a plastic box with 20 mk II marines if it also included 10 mk vi beakie assault marines and a deimos rhino.

YES. PLEASE. Charge $140 for it and call it a day. Sell tons and watch as the money rolls in.

jullevi wrote:
I hope we get a new thread once previews start rolling. This one is rubbish.

Unfortunately, certain individuals were allowed to continue off-topic nonsense. I or someone else can start a new one up on Monday.

I had hoped people could restrain themselves to speculation and general banter in the run up as we've had with some other preview threads, but obviously that was too much to ask for.

Wow.. This all escalated quickly.. Only another 36 or so hours and we will have some answers

Lets try and keep it together peeps!

I keep seeing 'Warmaster' and think that people are talking about the Warmaster Titan that came out for Titanicus, which, I think, is the closest y'all are gunna get to a reprint of 'Warmaster'.

So, moving on from that.


Interesting bit for the Sisters of Battle. Clearly the image of something has been hidden from us, but it mentions 'free to a good home' and 'Flails - some bloodstains', which could be a poke at arco-flagellants, but it could also refer to regular flagellants or some kind of sisters of battle pet-creature (dog with flail weapons?)

Heh, yeah. Warmaster and HH - like wtf people, I know we aren't known for high level conversation around here but let's at least keep it somewhere within the realm of reality, come on now.

JWBS wrote:
Heh, yeah. Warmaster and HH - like wtf people, I know we aren't known for high level conversation around here but let's at least keep it somewhere within the realm of reality, come on now.

1/3 of the content in the W:TOW thread was Warmaster wishlisting. It was borderline unbearable.

The man who was the driving force behind the HH passed away, and the game has IMO gone dry ever since. I'd love mk II marines, but it seems like a pipe dream at this point. Could be HH battlefleet gothic, but another niche game might be a bad idea. Aeronautic imperialis was looking good at first with all it's plastics, but I feel like that's a game on it's way out at this point. I'd rather see a reveal and release window for the old world line but it might be too soon for that, might be a year or two away.

 Thargrim wrote:
The man who was the driving force behind the HH passed away, and the game has IMO gone dry ever since

Yeah, you know what's a great clue that it's likely gonna be a big HH reveal on Saturday? It's the fact that they've stopped producing HH stuff at FW They're warming up for a massive HH relaunch by literally ditching HH in all other regards over the past two years (and between WM and HH, HH is actually the more likely of the two )