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**Sabotage!**

Sersi wrote:
DaveC wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
In that army shot for Soulblight it looked like there were some new skeletons in the upper right of the picture, up on the ridge. Could be an alternate build of the new kit maybe? It was only on the screen pretty quickly.

I think they are just Grave Guard as the old kit carries over. The Corpse cart, Zombie dragon and Vargheists are up there too.

No, those aren't grave guard, its the new skeleton kit, not even alt build from the look of it jest more bare heads.

Ah, right you are. I hadn't really taken a close look at the new kit and didn't realize the small differences from the Cursed City ones.

**BertBert**

Sersi wrote:
LOL... Well so much for a new Zombie Dragon.

I believe this is still a likely release down the line, as it is rather prominently featured on the cover of the battletome. Same as the Dire Wolves, really.

**Papa-Schlumpf**

The new Radukar looks like an action figure.

Grandma Vyrkos looks nice

, the rest of the models were pretty solid in my eyes.

**Crimson**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Really disliking how character heavy Soulblight are, and how they seem to just be a rehash of old Vampire Counts, minus the ghosts, but with Vampires that are also half werewolf. I was hoping they would lean more into the Blood Knight theme (the new Blood Knights look amazing, but I also already have four units of the old Blood Knights, so...) and go for a more elite army. Was thinking generic Blood Knight style lords and heroes, maybe a blood knight inspired infantry kit ("Vampires-at-arms"?), and bat-monsters for support (the new bats also look amazing, but don't fit with the ones I already own, so I need to figure out what to do there). Instead they just put out more zombies and skellies that I have no interest in. The Wight King on Horse looks incredible though, probably going to pick one up even though it doesn't really fit with my army, also one of only two generic heroes being released (the other being the semi-meh vampire lord mini). Correction - three generics, forgot about the Vengari Lord or whatever its called, don't hate the centaur dragon-bat look, but I don't know that I entirely like it either, will probably pick one up. The Crimson Court had me real excited for the potential of vampiric blood knight infantry though.

I think they want to avoid having rank and file 'mook' vampires, they want all vampires to be really powerful and scary, so they're mostly characters. I agree with this direction.

**chaos0xomega**

ImAGeek wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:
zombies and skellies are very consistently themed across both releases.

Thats because they are literally the same kit.

No, they’re not.

Aren't the deathrattle skellies identical? I know there are slight differences in the zombies

**Sersi**

Red Corsair wrote:
The weird half vampire half vorgulf model cracks me up.

It's like the designer made two amazing and seperate models and GW told them they only have the production capacity for 1 so he just loped the legs of the gal and the head off the beast and mashed them together.

You can even see in the design that her entire portion is a seperate assembly.

meaning all you need to do is find her some legs (or sculpt your own dress from GS)

and take any left over Crypt fiend head and bang you have two great models again lol.

No, I don't think you can save the top half of the model. Look at the turnaround her human torso is 2-3 times the thickness of a human. She'd have to been a female ogor before being turned. I might still get one though as something cool can still be converted out of the bestial parts.

A crypt fiend head is going to be to small for that body, maybe a spare dread abyssal head from the Mortarch kit.

**chaos0xomega**

Crimson wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Really disliking how character heavy Soulblight are, and how they seem to just be a rehash of old Vampire Counts, minus the ghosts, but with Vampires that are also half werewolf. I was hoping they would lean more into the Blood Knight theme (the new Blood Knights look amazing, but I also already have four units of the old Blood Knights, so...) and go for a more elite army. Was thinking generic Blood Knight style lords and heroes, maybe a blood knight inspired infantry kit ("Vampires-at-arms"?), and bat-monsters for support (the new bats also look amazing, but don't fit with the ones I already own, so I need to figure out what to do there). Instead they just put out more zombies and skellies that I have no interest in. The Wight King on Horse looks incredible though, probably going to pick one up even though it doesn't really fit with my army, also one of only two generic heroes being released (the other being the semi-meh vampire lord mini). Correction - three generics, forgot about the Vengari Lord or whatever its called, don't hate the centaur dragon-bat look, but I don't know that I entirely like it either, will probably pick one up. The Crimson Court had me real excited for the potential of vampiric blood knight infantry though.

I think they want to avoid having rank and file 'mook' vampires, they want all vampires to be really powerful and scary, so they're mostly characters. I agree with this direction.

If they can have rank and file 'mook' vampires on horses (Blood Knights), they can have rank and file 'mook' vampires on foot.

As it stands, they've created the concept of actual mook vampires already with the introduction of those bizarre dwarf-children wolf-vampire things that are accompanying Radukar, plus the trio of teen-wolf vampires from Cursed City.

**Sersi**

Crimson wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Really disliking how character heavy Soulblight are, and how they seem to just be a rehash of old Vampire Counts, minus the ghosts, but with Vampires that are also half werewolf. I was hoping they would lean more into the Blood Knight theme (the new Blood Knights look amazing, but I also already have four units of the old Blood Knights, so...) and go for a more elite army. Was thinking generic Blood Knight style lords and heroes, maybe a blood knight inspired infantry kit ("Vampires-at-arms"?), and bat-monsters for support (the new bats also look amazing, but don't fit with the ones I already own, so I need to figure out what to do there). Instead they just put out more zombies and skellies that I have no interest in. The Wight King on Horse looks incredible though, probably going to pick one up even though it doesn't really fit with my army, also one of only two generic heroes being released (the other being the semi-meh vampire lord mini). Correction - three generics, forgot about the Vengari Lord or whatever its called, don't hate the centaur dragon-bat look, but I don't know that I entirely like it either, will probably pick one up. The Crimson Court had me real excited for the potential of vampiric blood knight infantry though.

I think they want to avoid having rank and file 'mook' vampires, they want all vampires to be really powerful and scary, so they're mostly characters. I agree with this direction.

Agreed, they needed to keep the Vampires special. We already have two non-character vampire units in Vargheists and Blood Knights. Although the cynic in me thinks GW just wants that sweet special character money.

**Eldarsif**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
Hmm.

But the flood of constant named character vampires (we're on, what, 5 or 6 now?) is ridiculous when there's some armies with a single named character (Seraphon, DoK, Gloomspite) and some without a single one (Beasts, Ogors, Cities of Sigmar) - and it's not like they DIDN'T have an abundance of named characters before.

FEC don't have any named character unless you count the Direchasm band.

**Kanluwen**

If they wanted that? All of the characters would have been clamshell sized rather than monster. I'm ballparking around 400pts each on these characters.

**lord marcus**

I'm probably going to buy the vengorian lord if he ends up being around $50 like the liege kavalos.

Then up armor the beast part.

**Albertorius**

Holy feth, that Radukar seems designed by Rob Liefeld!

**Thargrim**

So they didn't slip a plastic varghulf into the army.....bummer. This army seems too focused on named characters for my liking. As opposed to having my own generic leaders that I create my own lore for.

**BertBert**

Thargrim wrote:
So they didn't slip a plastic varghulf into the army.....bummer. This army seems too focused on named characters for my liking. As opposed to having my own generic leaders that I create my own lore for.

If you have a 3D printing service available in your region, check this out: https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-feral-vampire-148290

**Danny76**

To me after reading all the comments about splitting them.
If you look at her waist up only, yeah just looks like a normal vampire.
And the bottom half literally has shoulders that come in to the waist.
Should easily be able to make that two models if the skirt piece doesn’t attach to the shoulders of the beast too badly..

**Commodus Leitdorf**

Well I very much like everything but I also don't play any of those armies so my wallet is safe.

**Albertorius**

Danny76 wrote:
To me after reading all the comments about splitting them.
If you look at her waist up only, yeah just looks like a normal vampire.
And the bottom half literally has shoulders that come in to the waist.
Should easily be able to make that two models if the skirt piece doesn’t attach to the shoulders of the beast too badly..

Yeah, that's kind of the only fix I see to that model: find a decent head ad two sets of legs suitable.

**ImAGeek**

Thargrim wrote:
So they didn't slip a plastic varghulf into the army.....bummer. This army seems too focused on named characters for my liking. As opposed to having my own generic leaders that I create my own lore for.

The Varghulf is a FEC unit now.

**lord_blackfang**

ImAGeek wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
So they didn't slip a plastic varghulf into the army.....bummer. This army seems too focused on named characters for my liking. As opposed to having my own generic leaders that I create my own lore for.

The Varghulf is a FEC unit now.

Except the one in Cursed City that's Soulblight but comes bundled with 500 points of other crap.

**ImAGeek**

lord_blackfang wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
So they didn't slip a plastic varghulf into the army.....bummer. This army seems too focused on named characters for my liking. As opposed to having my own generic leaders that I create my own lore for.

The Varghulf is a FEC unit now.

Except the one in Cursed City that's Soulblight but comes bundled with 500 points of other crap.

That’s a Vargskyr, completely different

**Goose LeChance**

Love the Dire Wolves and Blood Knights, hopefully they can rank up decently. I'm a bit worried the Blood Knights will be 9ft tall like the Characters.

Zombies remain a complete failure due to their static poses, a horde of these will look terrible on the table. I don't understand the design philosophy, surely some more variance/poseability would sell more boxes. What's the downside? I would have bought 4 boxes of these, instead I'll buy zero and go 3rd party or convert.

Skeletons aesthetic is very nice, but again the poses just kill it for me. They look like they're dancing to 'Thriller'.

Don't care about the rest, zero interest in Centaur-Vampires or Wolf-Vampires who ride wolves. Typical AoS overkill.

**VonGerrow**

That Vyrkos model looks like it could be converted into a Vostroyan.

The big centaur guy is cool, but, well, huge.

**Brutus_Apex**

Those are two very cool vampire torso’s that could have been great models if they were just normal vampires.

What a waste.

**lord_blackfang**

ImAGeek wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
So they didn't slip a plastic varghulf into the army.....bummer. This army seems too focused on named characters for my liking. As opposed to having my own generic leaders that I create my own lore for.

The Varghulf is a FEC unit now.

Except the one in Cursed City that's Soulblight but comes bundled with 500 points of other crap.

That’s a Vargskyr, completely different

I think it's just icelandic for low-fat Varghulf

**Ghaz**

I've always preferred the backgrounds that GW uses on their Facebook pics from these previews.

Spoiler:

**Argive**

My god those vamtaurs or whatever you can call it are shocking terrible. When I saw the blood knights a while back and the varghskyr in cursed city I was mighty impressed.

I thought teclis was bad. I thought the cow people and cow head warriors were bad... These make them look like the sistine chapel in comparison.
Yieks..

**Gene St. Ealer**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Hollow wrote:
God Dakka is a cesspit sometimes.

GoD DaKkA iS a CeSsPiT SomEtiMes

What were they even saying this in response to? I couldn't even tell, this thread has been pretty civil IMO

**Goose LeChance**

Brutus_Apex wrote:
Those are two very cool vampire torso’s that could have been great models if they were just normal vampires.

What a waste.

I agree, some of the best armoured vampires GW have made, completely ruined by the lower body. They look way too big for leg conversions too.

**NAVARRO**

Crimson wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Really disliking how character heavy Soulblight are, and how they seem to just be a rehash of old Vampire Counts, minus the ghosts, but with Vampires that are also half werewolf. I was hoping they would lean more into the Blood Knight theme (the new Blood Knights look amazing, but I also already have four units of the old Blood Knights, so...) and go for a more elite army. Was thinking generic Blood Knight style lords and heroes, maybe a blood knight inspired infantry kit ("Vampires-at-arms"?), and bat-monsters for support (the new bats also look amazing, but don't fit with the ones I already own, so I need to figure out what to do there). Instead they just put out more zombies and skellies that I have no interest in. The Wight King on Horse looks incredible though, probably going to pick one up even though it doesn't really fit with my army, also one of only two generic heroes being released (the other being the semi-meh vampire lord mini). Correction - three generics, forgot about the Vengari Lord or whatever its called, don't hate the centaur dragon-bat look, but I don't know that I entirely like it either, will probably pick one up. The Crimson Court had me real excited for the potential of vampiric blood knight infantry though.

I think they want to avoid having rank and file 'mook' vampires, they want all vampires to be really powerful and scary, so they're mostly characters. I agree with this direction.

You know for me personally all the characters revealed today are not as scary as these ones:

Spoiler:

I find that the road to make all minis huge display pieces a trap sometimes. Sure the new half vampire half centaur have some amazing technical things going on there but I would rather have one of the above as my vampire of choice. In this particular case less is more.

**Cronch**

Kragnos is one way to escape the self-inflicted dead end of "Gorkamorka as only god of Destruction", even if he looks like 54mm centaur, not a 32mm monster. Pretty bland, but nothing technically wrong with him. I guess he'll let you soup orcs and ogres judging by the battle scene.

Vampires...dire wolves continue the tradition of being dire models, GW can barely do a living wolf right, so making them dead only compounds the issue.
The vampire-drakes are a bizarre choice, as it literally looks like someone transplanted a torso onto a dragon body.

Wolf grandma is ok, radukar looks kinda bad.
Bit annoying how special-char heavy the army seems to be.