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yukishiro1 wrote:
Kragnos feels like a lazy "we want to milk destruction players for a big centerpiece model, but we don't want to make one for each faction, so let's just make one that fits none of them at all and let them all take him!"

More likely the design studio going "We made a giant Centaur. Figure out how he fits into AoS.".

Well, the obvious answer to that was BoC. If I play orcs, it's because I want to play orcs. And maybe goblins too, I'm still not 100% sold on splitting those into two armies. But it's definitely not because I wanted to play a centaur that sticks out like an absolute sore thumb.

If i'm honest, i found the whole show to be a bit lacklustre and it didn't really hold my attention.

I did have a "WTF?" moment when they trailered the mobile game... which will almost certainly be some form of p2w.

As for the "show stopper" Kragnos - i found him pretty boring. Maybe it's just the bland paint scheme that doesn't really draw your attention, but, this one has kinda put me off my idea of building a collection of all the big centre piece models. From the rules they've mentioned he'll almost certainly be an auto-include but... meh.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Kragnos feels like a lazy "we want to milk destruction players for a big centerpiece model, but we don't want to make one for each faction, so let's just make one that fits none of them at all and let them all take him!"

More likely the design studio going "We made a giant Centaur. Figure out how he fits into AoS.".

It sadly isn't even the first time they've pulled shenanigans on BoC players. When they had silhouettes of the underworlds deer-elfs, I was thinking centigors then as well. But nope. Bait and switched.


@Kdash. The boring part feels like a mercy in some way. It's like if the 'Order' mega-giant had just been a giant ork with longer tusks, but no other significant changes from a standard ork model, beyond a different set of runes and glyphs on its shield.

Huh. Reading the end of the Ork Painboss article makes me think we won’t actually see Beast Snaggas for Warhammer fest. They said they’ll be back with another article in 2 weeks looking at a new dude who has some ideas about Gretchin. I hope I’m being a dope though, cos I’d very much like to see things!

Man, I am so happy right now I could cry.

The new vampires are freaking amazing. We're getting the best of both worlds, which to me was unexpected. We get the neat and more down to earth older style of skeletons and zombies, and then these new hybrid vampire creatures which really fit into the AoS design aesthetic. I really dig both of the characters, and the Radukar beast mode model was quite unexpected! I really dig it, he looks brutish and quite frightening. Would definitely not want to meet him in an ally after hours! I really like the look of his little servants as well. They come across as both fearing him and respecting him, I wonder what role in the lore he will have to play?

I'm not sure if the sculptor was going for it, but I get the feeling the two big vampires are sort of like "morphing" into these monsters from the feet up. If that's the case, they nailed it 100%. If they're going for something else, that's fine, I still really like them. The wing hands look sick and though I'd guess they'll be a nightmare to paint, I'm really excited and already dreaming up scheme ideas for colors for both the wings and the armor! I also love their bases, giving them perches makes me think of all kinds of cool other poses they could have had. It's too bad they'll likely only have the poses shown, having the wings stretched out for flight would have looked awesome. But probably would have been a pain in the rear to transport so I'm okay with the end result.

The other vampire character, the wolf rider one was sick! Great design, and amazing posing on the model. Defiantly going to be a purchase and I'm wondering if she will work well with either of the two Radukar models? I already have some great ideas for paint schemes and I hope the undead Ogres from CC get printed in a future update to the army. They will look great as some kind of elite guard for her and the other vampires. The Vengorian Lord also has that look of the old black and white movie Nosfaratu vampires which I appreciated. I kind of wonder if Soulblight will get a second release later like Lumineth did? I sort of hope so, it was nice not to have to wait a long time to get more models to add to the force.

The direwolves are sort of the meh part for me. The models are simple and fun, but I've never really liked the little hoard type creatures, stuff like necron scarabs or fenris wolves. The sculpts are well done, so I might get a box to paint up. We shall see.

I was really excited to see that it looks as though FEC are either being rolled into this Battletome, or they're definitely going to be allies for the Soulblight factions. That will be really interesting.

Kragnos is flipping amazing. I've been wanting a large centerpiece type model to make it into the destruction side and I'm really happy to see that any of the Destruction factions can take him. He seems like an absolute beast of a model too, 2+ with 18 wounds! I just hope that club hits as hard. I think Kragnos is the big hit for me of the show though, which I did not expect. I wasn't sure if he was going to be tied to the Beasts of Chaos, or if this was going to be some kind of Dwarf thing or what. But I'm happy none the less.

My guess is that we will see Kragnos set up his own faction down the line, a new group of destructo-centaurs or something? Some kind of elemental creatures? The ideas are endless and the AoS side of the hobby has been absolutely killing it in model releases lately.

The fact that the little totems are Goblin in origin intrigues me even more, I keep wondering if a new faction of Goblins isn't on the horizon in the near future?

The two vampire hunters are also a lot cooler than I was expecting. I'm tempted to start a witch hunter army, assuming one is coming.

Soul Arena looks neat. I've been sad that to date there hasn't been much in the way of AoS games...in fact I think this is the first one. I'm excited to give it a try and see how it comes out. These little mobile games can be really profitable if they're done well and o this might be a good entry into the market for them. The art style is great too, and it's going to be on steam as well, so that's a plus!

All in all it was a great reveal. I'm sad it's over and I do wish there'd been a tab more, but a lot of people think Saturday will have more for AoS in terms of surprises and possibly 3.0 so we shall see.

I don't really play 40K anymore, it got too silly with its codex release schedule and model design so I'm not as hyped for today, but hopefully there will be some neat stuff for the 40K fans out there.

Other than today and Saturday, I'm excited for the specialist games day. I'm really hoping they're ready to show us an imperator for AT! Or possibly something like Epic 40K or Warmaster reboots!

I have a feeling if the 3.0 box DOES contain Destruction(and that's looking more likely than not), that's where we'll see a more Kragnos aesthetic Faction.

Soul Arena's far from the first Age of Sigmar game, but it looks just as terrible as the ones that preceded it

 Platuan4th wrote:
I have a feeling if the 3.0 box DOES contain Destruction(and that's looking more likely than not), that's where we'll see a more Kragnos aesthetic Faction.

Even if they don't want to give Kraggy more models than whats already existing with the destruction races, I'd be down if GW released orruks, ogors, etc that are clearly followers of him. Similar styled armor, helmets with his antlers, etc.

Is the streaming schedule the same throughout the week?

Nonetheless what you think about Kragnos being "lazy design" or not, the important point of having it on Destruction's side is another sign that it's not just Gorkamorka and his greenskins and traditionnal affiliated (first was the Sons of Behemath, even if in the end, they're nothing really new). So far, Destruction is pretty much a copy-and-paste from the Old World without much innovation. That they bring a giant centaur with horns and put it on Destruction means that it can have something radically different.

Wonder if beasts of chaos won't eventually go in Destruction as well in the future...because when you read their background in AoS, they don't really side with the Chaos gods and just want to destroy all civilisation until nothing remains. That some of them are devoted to a single Chaos god and that those are already in the said Chaos god's battletome (slaangors, tzaangors) is maybe another sign of change, when they'll really redesign the Beasts of Chaos faction in the future.

Beasts of Chaos shifting to Destruction might be fine for pure beasts players, but I know a lot of Slaanesh and other mono-god armies often use Beasts of Chaos models in their forces.

That said perhaps GW is considering making the next Beasts of Chaos army split between Chaos and Destruction. Introducing two basic sub-faction groups within the battletome - one pure wild destruction and the other tainted by chaos. Limiting some of the unit options with each so that they are distinct and yet related.

Or even do what they've done with other forces that share a lot of cross over units and just have the models cross over nad have two distinct battletomes and armies - again with their own unique flavour units as well.



Much like how we expect to see Soulblight and Flesheaters share a lot of units and yet be separate and perhaps even Soulblight and Legions of Nagash

Isn't there a warband of half-animal feral Wild Elves of some sort prancing around in Underworlds? Maybe they will get upgraded to full Battle Tome status at some point?
They certainly fit Kragnos better than Ogres or Orcs.

Kurnothi, but they're Order. Unless Alarielle switches to Destruction, swayed by Kraggy's handsome love handles.

Kragnos is a refreshing change for GW, it shows restraint. Most models that GW produce these days are too busy for my tastes, also makes them a pain to paint.

Kragnos is a nice clean sculpture that is posed in a way that look nice and isn't over the top, the level of ornamentation is just at the sweet spot.

If GW were to make a race of things like this, it may get me to buy some GW models, which is something I haven't done in about 3 years.

Having said that, doubt I'd use them in AoS, just port them over to Age of Fantasy Regiments.

Togusa wrote:
I was really excited to see that it looks as though FEC are either being rolled into this Battletome, or they're definitely going to be allies for the Soulblight factions. That will be really interesting.

Much like how we expect to see Soulblight and Flesheaters share a lot of units and yet be separate and perhaps even Soulblight and Legions of Nagash

I didn't see anything at all to indicate there would be a Soulblight/FEC crossover. Where are you guys getting this idea from? Is it because the Vargheists in the Soulblight image posted yesterday? I know they look a lot like a FEC unit/Crypt Flayers, but those have always been a Soulblight unit (and not a FEC unit at all).

Isn't there a warband of half-animal feral Wild Elves of some sort prancing around in Underworlds? Maybe they will get upgraded to full Battle Tome status at some point?
They certainly fit Kragnos better than Ogres or Orcs.

I keep thinking that the Kurnothi (i.e. Skaeths Wild Hunt/the guys you're referencing) will be a Destruction faction, but I don't think GW has the guts to make a non-Order aelf faction. They certainly have some commonality with Kragnos, but they worship Kurnoth instead so it doesn't seem like he would be associated with them.

So as 40k day is planned for 2 separate days does anyone have predictions or hunch what there is going to be?

I do think we see today rest of the SoB and announcement on codex (also for AdMech).

However, I really suspect that large reveal on new orks will not happen until friday.

After all that, we may see GSC and/or Eldar if going by rumour engine.

 Sersi wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
The weird half vampire half vorgulf model cracks me up.

It's like the designer made two amazing and seperate models and GW told them they only have the production capacity for 1 so he just loped the legs of the gal and the head off the beast and mashed them together.

You can even see in the design that her entire portion is a seperate assembly.

meaning all you need to do is find her some legs (or sculpt your own dress from GS)

and take any left over Crypt fiend head and bang you have two great models again lol.

No, I don't think you can save the top half of the model. Look at the turnaround her human torso is 2-3 times the thickness of a human. She'd have to been a female ogor before being turned. I might still get one though as something cool can still be converted out of the bestial parts.

A crypt fiend head is going to be to small for that body, maybe a spare dread abyssal head from the Mortarch kit.

Yea sorry I didn't have the time earlier to really look at more then the solo shots and I assumed they were on 40mm bases since the upper halves look like normal vamps lol. Thats even worse, they just upsized the files lol. Well I suppose you could save the top for a 54mm bust to enter into a painting comp and turn the lowers into a monster with an actual head lol. But at GW pricing I wouldn't ever do it myself.

chaos0xomega wrote:

I didn't see anything at all to indicate there would be a Soulblight/FEC crossover. Where are you guys getting this idea from? Is it because you saw the Vargheists in the Soulblight image posted yesterday? Because I hate to disappoint you, but those have always been a Soulblight unit/never been a FEC unit, despite their commonality with Crypt Flayers.

The cross over is in terms of models. FEC are basically just their getting started set and two other models; with at least the dragon and terrorghat and varghiests being soulblight and those are all in the getting started set. There's a huge amount of cross over even without it being intentional. Like I said I don't expect to see FEC rolled into soulblight as an option; it could be done but I think not. That said FEC Will want a release after this otherwise they'll feel like just a corner of soulblight.

 stonehorse wrote:
Kragnos is a refreshing change for GW, it shows restraint. Most models that GW produce these days are too busy for my tastes, also makes them a pain to paint.

Kragnos is a nice clean sculpture that is posed in a way that look nice and isn't over the top, the level of ornamentation is just at the sweet spot.

If GW were to make a race of things like this, it may get me to buy some GW models, which is something I haven't done in about 3 years.

Having said that, doubt I'd use them in AoS, just port them over to Age of Fantasy Regiments.

My problem is this -

Which model would you prefer (if you were just buying a cool centre piece model)? Kroak or Kragnos?



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Sotahullu wrote:
So as 40k day is planned for 2 separate days does anyone have predictions or hunch what there is going to be?

I do think we see today rest of the SoB and announcement on codex (also for AdMech).

However, I really suspect that large reveal on new orks will not happen until friday.

After all that, we may see GSC and/or Eldar if going by rumour engine.

One day will probably be SoB and AdMech as we know a fair bit about them already and i'd be surprised if there were even more new models for them both.

I'd love the 2nd day to be something new, along with an estimated schedule of Codex releases. Just having that bit of scheduling would really help make it feel like the end is in sight.

I really don't think we'll get any kind of a schedule. It kept biting them in the butt when they had one already for 40k, Necromunda, and Underworlds.

Yeah, there is absolutely zero chance of them announcing a codex schedule more than three to four months in advance. Nil. I doubt even that at the moment.

Isn't AdMech just one mini and a codex? If so then I hope they don't waste time announcing it twice liek they did with Kroak and Co. yesterday. I guess today will be more sister (yay...) Fingers crossed for a cheeky Black Templar reveal at the end.

 The Phazer wrote:
Yeah, there is absolutely zero chance of them announcing a codex schedule more than three to four months in advance. Nil. I doubt even that at the moment.

They can announce the sequence, just not the dates.

I'd go with a quick cover of Admech, since that will probably be the preorder window after this current o e, and a full look at the new Sisters book and units tomorrow. Then Friday the orks and War of Rust part 2

yukishiro1 wrote:
Kragnos feels like a lazy "we want to milk destruction players for a big centerpiece model, but we don't want to make one for each faction, so let's just make one that fits none of them at all and let them all take him!"

Such a strange grab bag of stuff, none of which seems to fit with anything else.

Nice dire wolves, can't say the rest of it moves me much.

I liked the fluff for it, but I otherwise agree.

Admech, Ork, Sisters, and MoAr sPAcE maRInes.

I know it, you know it, we all know it.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Admech, Ork, Sisters, and MoAr sPAcE maRInes.

I know it, you know it, we all know it.

I'd be surprised to see more Admech models. Slightly less so with sisters. Marines are plausible.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Admech, Ork, Sisters, and MoAr sPAcE maRInes.

I know it, you know it, we all know it.

but what if no marines?
Also 2 separete streams, either something really wild is going to happen or we haven't seen half of it.

Whilst the aesthetic incoherence bugs me a lot, and I strongly feel Kragnos should have been Beast of Chaos or Kurnothi model, I still can't stop thinking what would it take to make him actually work with current Destruction range. Now orkifying things has long and proud tradition in warhammer games, so I can easily imagine cool orkified versions of Kragnos.



Make him green, then perhaps add some orky armour bits from Ironjawz. And you could convert the orcs a bit too; make some greenstuff cast of the amulets Kragnos has, and sprinkle them on the orruks.