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Dire avengers are probably the best craftworlds troops choice at the moment, definitely for me.
But eldar players are all terrible people so screw them, eh Karol?

I imagine that the number of people who'd want to buy Heavy Intercessors if they were the worst unit in the game would still be higher than if DA were the most broken unit GW had ever made, just by virtue of how numerous Marine players are.

 Galas wrote:
10€ per infantry sized trooper.

GW is insane. Just like the new slaanesh myrmidons.

They have certainly reached a point of charging so much people will look to other options. I rarely play sigmar but I started collecting the realm lords because I always liked high elves. Really wanted the swordsman but FFS. 5 tiny elf models for 50 bucks? No way.

The thing is if GW is targeting upper middle class parents or single professional people then it isn't that expensive. That doesn't make people "insane", it means they have a decent amount of disposable income. Way too rich for my blood though.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Heavy Intercessors are in Gravis Armour, and are actually cheaper per-model than the other Gravis units (Aggressors & Eradicators).

Also, didn't Blood Knights go down in cost with the switch from finecast to plastic?

Just because the other boxes are also over costed doesn't make this box a steal. The old blood knights were criminal over the top robbery.

You tell me, they weren't even that good looking, and i know more than one person appropriating chaos knights and bretonian ones or others to get "bloodknights".

Also another thing, it isn't like GW is just expensive, f.e. AoS troop boxes are somewhat priced sensibly.
Heck i get 20 Skelletons for 45 Euro.... the new ones. Which addmittedly look snazy, same with the new Wightking, which i honestly could build a Diorama or a whole army out off, especially with gave guard , and black knights aswell as the new skeletons...

Which is then absurd in a way... because there you have decently and addmittedly great looking troops priced pretty good ( in general AoS has quite good prices on their 20 / box troops) you could probably do really awesome things with and otos you have these supposed core units which just scream "late"- WHFB type monetisation /milking.

Yeah, I got why WHFB died, they make an edition based on hordes, but then to make a horde it costs hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Like for me, I have vampire counts, grave guard boxes came out at 25USD for 10, that was alright to me. Bit down the line, they up the price to 50 USD for 10, no reason. Empire Greatswords get a nice plastic kit, I believe they were 50 USD for them, for a unit you'd need like 30 or 40 of to really get use out of. That happened pretty much across the board and they wondered why no one bought in, who would at those costs ? When a single workable unit was around 150, 200 USD or more at minimum ? When that unit is cheap points wise so its not even like that is a hefty amount of the force you need. It was awful and all GW said is " People must hate the game, that's it. " Beyond out of touch.

They are heading there again with these prices, it's intense. I bet as well you'll have those who would buy it regardless of cost say how reasonable it is and that is why they keep cranking the dial, until they hit the point people say F this and walk away and then it'll be our fault the game failed, we just wouldn't be milked nicely enough.

The Heavy Intercessors kit does seem pretty steep, but at least you get a decent kit – multi-part, variety of bits/options – for your money. The Flayed Ones kit is *gak* – zero possible variation of bits/poses; literally just one tiny sprue to make 5 little guys. And a complete bastard to put together to boot.

 Nazrak wrote:
The Flayed Ones kit is *gak* – zero possible variation of bits/poses; literally just one tiny sprue to make 5 little guys. And a complete bastard to put together to boot.

Yeah - after seeing it in the Kill Team box I though it would be a box of 10 or even 20...

beast_gts wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
The Flayed Ones kit is *gak* – zero possible variation of bits/poses; literally just one tiny sprue to make 5 little guys. And a complete bastard to put together to boot.

Yeah - after seeing it in the Kill Team box I though it would be a box of 10 or even 20...

Problem with that is then it would be incredibly apparent it was just the same five guys twice. It’s an *incredibly* disappointing kit for the price, imo.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:


Yeah, I got why WHFB died, they make an edition based on hordes, but then to make a horde it costs hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Like for me, I have vampire counts, grave guard boxes came out at 25USD for 10, that was alright to me. Bit down the line, they up the price to 50 USD for 10, no reason. Empire Greatswords get a nice plastic kit, I believe they were 50 USD for them, for a unit you'd need like 30 or 40 of to really get use out of. That happened pretty much across the board and they wondered why no one bought in, who would at those costs ? When a single workable unit was around 150, 200 USD or more at minimum ? When that unit is cheap points wise so its not even like that is a hefty amount of the force you need. It was awful and all GW said is " People must hate the game, that's it. " Beyond out of touch.


They are heading there again with these prices, it's intense. I bet as well you'll have those who would buy it regardless of cost say how reasonable it is and that is why they keep cranking the dial, until they hit the point people say F this and walk away and then it'll be our fault the game failed, we just wouldn't be milked nicely enough.

This is preciscly the effect i am fearing is happening. Except that i think something else is at play there.
i think it's whalehunting, atleast with the SM releases i honestly think it's gw's marketing team attempting at whaling like mobile games.



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 Nazrak wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
The Flayed Ones kit is *gak* – zero possible variation of bits/poses; literally just one tiny sprue to make 5 little guys. And a complete bastard to put together to boot.

Yeah - after seeing it in the Kill Team box I though it would be a box of 10 or even 20...

Problem with that is then it would be incredibly apparent it was just the same five guys twice. It’s an *incredibly* disappointing kit for the price, imo.

I remember a time, where GW prices got justified by beeing modular kits. Beeing a revolution.

I am not sure if i would count the Heavy intercessors as being particulary modular if i look at the sprue, as in it seems pretty clear what legs fit with which upper torso.
But indeed, compared to the new flayed ones it's a positively nice kit...

beast_gts wrote:
Heavy Intercessors are in Gravis Armour, and are actually cheaper per-model than the other Gravis units (Aggressors & Eradicators).

Actually nope, ETB Aggressors were cheaper for 6 than HI are for 5. Ditto with DI Inceptors. And that's probably why they were axed, people would just buy them and convert. I'd buy multiple boxes if GW bothered to tell anyone these are last chance to buy earlier

 Nazrak wrote:
The Heavy Intercessors kit does seem pretty steep, but at least you get a decent kit – multi-part, variety of bits/options – for your money.

No it's not. All the "option" you have is a gun, not even a frakking power sword or fist for the sarge, even though terminator ones work perfectly and anyone who ever built even a single TDA box has tons of leftovers. Would it kill GW to give them option to take one?

I think GW's intention is that 40K and AoS are the 'whale-hunting' games, for people who are willing to spend £100 on a big centrepiece model and then buy 2-4 boxes of regular-sized models for each unit at £30-40 a box. If you can't afford to spend several hundred £££ on an army, then these games just aren't for you.

But then there's Warcry, Kill Team and Necromunda for those of us on a budget, where we ignore the giant centrepiece models altogether (except as the occasional painting project) and can put an 'army' together from a couple of the regular boxes or a Start Collecting box. Sixty quid, and that's your 'army' sorted.

Giving up on 40K and AoS and sticking to the skirmish games has been quite liberating for me. I no longer need to really care how stupidly expensive GW's new kits are, because I never need to buy more than one of each. It's even better when one kit can build two different unit types, because I can go half-and-half with them and still use all the models. And the rules are simple and flexible enough that I can homebrew rules for any model I like that doesn't have official rules, without breaking the game.

If it wasn't for the skirmish games, I'd have stopped buying any GW products at all years ago. GW knows what they're doing.

I think if they can sell the kits at that price more power to them. I won't be buying them. Plenty of better value options out there if I want power armoured space men.

 Irbis wrote:

No it's not. All the "option" you have is a gun, not even a frakking power sword or fist for the sarge, even though terminator ones work perfectly and anyone who ever built even a single TDA box has tons of leftovers. Would it kill GW to give them option to take one?

Not versed in the primaris models, but aren't the heavy intercessors guns different from each other only in the sense that they get a different type of magazine attached, just like the regular intercessors?

Magazine shape and scope size is huge variety offered, huge. Well worth the price of admission.

Though seriously other than GWs whale hunting tactics there is no reason why the 5 heavy ints should cost more than 10 regular Ints.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Magazine shape and scope size is huge variety offered, huge. Well worth the price of admission.

Though seriously other than GWs whale hunting tactics there is no reason why the 5 heavy ints should cost more than 10 regular Ints.

I guess what makes this even worse is the random drop of GW's own pricing system based on FoC slot, since they are a troop.
Which basically is the biggest head scratcher.

I don't think GW's pricing system is really FoC, I think it's more like role.
Granted, elite units normally fall in the Elites slot, however, I think GW has considered these Heavy Intercessors as more similar to Terminators in size and role, and so they're priced like Terminators.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
I don't think GW's pricing system is really FoC, I think it's more like role.
Granted, elite units normally fall in the Elites slot, however, I think GW has considered these Heavy Intercessors as more similar to Terminators in size and role, and so they're priced like Terminators.

Except that would also still be a terrible purchase considering most terminator kits offer more bits and options overall...

Not Online!!! wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:
I don't think GW's pricing system is really FoC, I think it's more like role.
Granted, elite units normally fall in the Elites slot, however, I think GW has considered these Heavy Intercessors as more similar to Terminators in size and role, and so they're priced like Terminators.

Except that would also still be a terrible purchase considering most terminator kits offer more bits and options overall...

Such is the trend of new Games Workshop kits :(

This is about the size of it, get less pay for more, the models can look better but all with the same poses pretty much and not much variety to speak of outside a magazine and scope from the kit. Such little difference most people who don't play marines would be hard pressed to tell you what the differences are looking at them and even some marine players don't really know.

 kirotheavenger wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:
I don't think GW's pricing system is really FoC, I think it's more like role.
Granted, elite units normally fall in the Elites slot, however, I think GW has considered these Heavy Intercessors as more similar to Terminators in size and role, and so they're priced like Terminators.

Except that would also still be a terrible purchase considering most terminator kits offer more bits and options overall...

Such is the trend of new Games Workshop kits :(

But then you have stuff like AoS troops and even elites partially beeing very well done for their price..
Especially troops.

There is no real intelligent design behind some of these design decisions I feel. Like chaff troops in boxes of 20 for an alright price, good idea, you know like they used to do with Imperial Guard troop boxes.

Makes it feel like they have two totally different outlooks for what players crave from both systems and that they think 40k players like to be ripped off, while AoS deserves that little classy touch of savings feel.

TBH I think that's exactly it.

40k is already a very established game. It doesn't really matter what GW does, it drives its own sales.

AoS on the other hand has a much more tenuous position. GW needs to actually put out a decent product to attract players.
It's why the datasheets are free, why the app is actually good and cheap, etc etc.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
TBH I think that's exactly it.

40k is already a very established game. It doesn't really matter what GW does, it drives its own sales.

AoS on the other hand has a much more tenuous position. GW needs to actually put out a decent product to attract players.
It's why the datasheets are free, why the app is actually good and cheap, etc etc.

GW allready did have an established game with WHFB and did run it preciscly that way into the ground, it's i fear, their MO and then they turn around surprised and see that they have less and less players.

Hence why i have that Déjà-vu...

I agree.
I've already seen a lot of people in my local groups moving to Star Wars Legion, a move that I'm happily following.

The blood knights really weren't a heavy priced one.
New plastic kit, larger models and nearly half the price that they were.

Some things are beyond a joke though.
Still think it was around the "goldswords" era that it started going mad.

Jackal90 wrote:
The blood knights really weren't a heavy priced one.
New plastic kit, larger models and nearly half the price that they were.

Some things are beyond a joke though.
Still think it was around the "goldswords" era that it started going mad.

Average scene during that time:
"Those new Zweihänder look amazing, tell me what's the price on em... 45 CHF? that's a bit steep, maybee i should ask the Imperium player how much i need--- 30 atleast, better 40!?! What, i guess i am going to buy a CSM starter set instead."



or so it felt.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
There is no real intelligent design behind some of these design decisions I feel. Like chaff troops in boxes of 20 for an alright price, good idea, you know like they used to do with Imperial Guard troop boxes.

Makes it feel like they have two totally different outlooks for what players crave from both systems and that they think 40k players like to be ripped off, while AoS deserves that little classy touch of savings feel.

I dunno, even in AoS it is pretty random. Lumineth and Mortal Slaanesh - new releases, crazy pricy. Vampires - new release, relatively reasonable.

Jackal90 wrote:
The blood knights really weren't a heavy priced one.
New plastic kit, larger models and nearly half the price that they were.

Some things are beyond a joke though.
Still think it was around the "goldswords" era that it started going mad.

Okey but this starts to sound like , we taxed your 200% before, now we will tax you only 100%. Enjoy our grace. Both prices are kind of a crazy. And when I hear stories about needing 4-5 boxs to build one unit, and then you needing 3 or more of such units, it stop to wonder why WFB had no new player and why almost all armies were 100% recast.

Karol wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
The blood knights really weren't a heavy priced one.
New plastic kit, larger models and nearly half the price that they were.

Some things are beyond a joke though.
Still think it was around the "goldswords" era that it started going mad.

Okey but this starts to sound like , we taxed your 200% before, now we will tax you only 100%. Enjoy our grace. Both prices are kind of a crazy. And when I hear stories about needing 4-5 boxs to build one unit, and then you needing 3 or more of such units, it stop to wonder why WFB had no new player and why almost all armies were 100% recast.

Well, for the Blood Knights in particular, there was no reason at all to build 3 units of 4-5 boxes each. Point-wise (and with rare slot restrictions) that isn't even doable, iirc.
So that's a happy little exaggeration.

Voss 798542 11135272 wrote:

Well, for the Blood Knights in particular, there was no reason at all to build 3 units of 4-5 boxes each. Point-wise (and with rare slot restrictions) that isn't even doable, iirc.
So that's a happy little exaggeration.

I was thinking about the witch elf box. From what I know, which is a story told info, here no one bought the vampyre cavalery, everyone just bought the 5 plastic elf heavy armoured cavalery. Or bought recasts, at the end of WFB majority of armies were recasted ones, and not even GW recasts, but done from metals from other companies and old GW models.