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I dunno, army wide 5+ ward that kicks in in what, turn 2, 3 if you aren't trying very hard? Is gonna be pretty good.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, I was surprised to not see Kurnoth Hunters as Battleline if General is a Free Spirit or something like that.

New style tied more to subfaction. Odds are such subfaction exists in book and they didn't bother with old style for short time between box and book

Prices

Battletomes Nighthaunt and DoK £32.50 €42.50 $55
Awlrach the Drowner £30 €40 $50
Craventhrone Guard £27.50 €35 $45
IDK Vanguard £80 €105 $130
Fyreslayer Vanguard £80 €105 $130
NH Dice £24 €31.50 $38
NH Cards £19 €24 $33

New Sylvaneth vs Skaven battlebox "Echoes Of Doom" due soon, first place to be able to get the Lady Of Vines, Gossamid Archers and new Skaven character.



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/09/avenging-sylvaneth-chase-the-skaven-across-the-realms-in-echoes-of-doom/

Treelord! Love that guy! And omg he's bought his girlfriend to the party too!

I know that the skaven side is supposed to be very very underwhelming compared to the treefolk.

But is it any better if you build the plague furnace instead? Plus, with the bell of doom, don't you get a plague priest as an extra HQ?

Also, I'm trying to think about how useful a skaven assassin would be against trees.

I should've known from the base size in the reveal pictures, but Lady of Vines is larger than I thought she'd be.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I know that the skaven side is supposed to be very very underwhelming compared to the treefolk.

But is it any better if you build the plague furnace instead? Plus, with the bell of doom, don't you get a plague priest as an extra HQ?

Also, I'm trying to think about how useful a skaven assassin would be against trees.

Warp goo on weapons + tree spirits = bad day.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I know that the skaven side is supposed to be very very underwhelming compared to the treefolk.

But is it any better if you build the plague furnace instead? Plus, with the bell of doom, don't you get a plague priest as an extra HQ?

I think it worth noting that Clanrats return D3 slain models at the end of the battleshock phase, per the warscroll leaks. So if you don't gank the whole unit in one go...they'll keep coming back.

Also, I'm trying to think about how useful a skaven assassin would be against trees.

The assassin is apparently there to screw up the Grey Seer's plans...but they just coat their blades with weedkiller otherwise

The lore definitely makes the one-sidedness more justified. I wonder if the lore came first, or that's how they justified it?

 GaroRobe wrote:
The lore definitely makes the one-sidedness more justified. I wonder if the lore came first, or that's how they justified it?

It is the plague of Skaven in battle boxes--for an even fight they'd need to outnumber the other side by a huge margin which has practical issues when trying to balance two halves of the product.


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 GaroRobe wrote:
I know that the skaven side is supposed to be very very underwhelming compared to the treefolk.

But is it any better if you build the plague furnace instead? Plus, with the bell of doom, don't you get a plague priest as an extra HQ?

Also, I'm trying to think about how useful a skaven assassin would be against trees.

Bell is the better go for this setup, and you would have the plague priest. Strange they don't show him.

Hnh, the only other Skaven battlebox (Island of Blood notwithstanding) that I can think of was Carrion Empire, and in that box the FEC outnumbered the Skaven (Skaven contents were 3 stormfiends, Warplock Bombardier, doomwheel, and warp lightning cannon, vs 20 crypt whatevers, 6 big chungus crypt whatevers, and abhorrent archregent).

When 1 box costs x money and gives y points and other for samn money more points it's always hard since gw tends to make sides about equal money wise(which does make splitting easier)

AoS' own janky Avatar gets some new rules!




I'm sure I'm not the first person to say that I really think they sculpted this and left it in the default T-Pose:

That's because it is meant to be a statue on top of a shrine, not a living model, but people kept using it as one so they gave it rules.

I really wish they just brought the Avatar from 40k over to AoS instead of trying to use the old statue as its own unit. I’m curious how the rules for both look (to see the disparity in their overall power)

It exists anyways and is left over if the bloodrack shrine is built, so it is essentially a free unit. It is part of another kit, so the alternative isn't a different sculpt--it's nothing at all.

Doesn't make it look any less silly...

No argument there, I'd just prefer having something to having nothing. There is no downside to it having a warscroll.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Doesn't make it look any less silly...

Why? Are you not entertained?

I mean, that's the pose. He's walking, his arms are actually pulled back, and he's vocally addressing someone. Yeah, he's been sculpted as a statue, but he's got motion and emotion going on. He's just not leaping and bouncing around like the rest of the army, but that shouldn't be an issue considering he's not a witch elf like the rest of the army.

Sure, if the model had actually been sculpted to detach from the shrine in the first place GW might have gone with a different pose, or included optional arm and torso bits to make the foot version different, but it's hardly sporting a problematic pose as it is.

 Geifer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Doesn't make it look any less silly...

Why? Are you not entertained?

I mean, that's the pose. He's walking, his arms are actually pulled back, and he's vocally addressing someone. Yeah, he's been sculpted as a statue, but he's got motion and emotion going on. He's just not leaping and bouncing around like the rest of the army, but that shouldn't be an issue considering he's not a witch elf like the rest of the army.

Sure, if the model had actually been sculpted to detach from the shrine in the first place GW might have gone with a different pose, or included optional arm and torso bits to make the foot version different, but it's hardly sporting a problematic pose as it is.

I agree. I actually prefer him over the eldar one. Which is a shame as I was looking forward to proxying in the eldar one as an alternative.

 Geifer wrote:
Why? Are you not entertained?

Because it's a giant dude in a default T-pose, and looks silly. I don't know how much more of an explanation I can provide.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I actually prefer him over the eldar one.

Ok well now you're being contrarian just for the sake of it.

No, not really. It actually fits in thematically too. As there's no way in hell Morathi's ego would allow her to have a statue being more impressive than herself. So no, just because people aren't jumping to agree with you, doesn't immediately make it contrarianism.

How big is the AOS Khaine? A lot smaller than the new 40K one, I presume, so it would be weird to use the latter as the former?

If Avatars of Khaine walking around are a thing in AOS, I don't see why they couldn't share the model with 40K like the daemons do, and have beefy rules to match. The model isn't super 40K-specific.

The AoS Khaine is not that tall because its designed to go on top of an already tall mobile alter.

 Crimson wrote:
How big is the AOS Khaine? A lot smaller than the new 40K one, I presume, so it would be weird to use the latter as the former?

If Avatars of Khaine walking around are a thing in AOS, I don't see why they couldn't share the model with 40K like the daemons do, and have beefy rules to match. The model isn't super 40K-specific.

Then we would need rules for 2 avatars. One on foot and one on cauldron.

Make it 3. Small and big on foot. Do we really need that many warscrolls?

Or new cauldron kit with room for big avatar and pricetag of 150 euros or so. Cauldron would be ridiculously big.

40k's Avatar has both IRL and narrative issues with AoS compatibility. In real terms there is a significant difference in the detail work--the aesthetic is very Craftworlds and distinct from DoK.

Fluff wise, it gets into what Daughters of 'Khaine' really are. Though they worship Khaine and believe they are worshipping Khaine it is Morathi who channels all the power of that worship (the iron heart her model is holding is literally Khaine's heart) and more recently has ascended to full godhood as Morathi-Khaine. In AoS Khaine's actual power as a deity has always been a lie, and it is now debatable if he even exists at all or what little was left has been subsumed into Morathi.

 Geifer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Doesn't make it look any less silly...

Why? Are you not entertained?

I mean, that's the pose. He's walking, his arms are actually pulled back, and he's vocally addressing someone. Yeah, he's been sculpted as a statue, but he's got motion and emotion going on. He's just not leaping and bouncing around like the rest of the army, but that shouldn't be an issue considering he's not a witch elf like the rest of the army.

Sure, if the model had actually been sculpted to detach from the shrine in the first place GW might have gone with a different pose, or included optional arm and torso bits to make the foot version different, but it's hardly sporting a problematic pose as it is.

Except for the fact that its holding the stupid modern Valentine's day heart (also used on several dark elf banners), that no one who actually cuts hearts out of people would actually use on a statue to their god of murder.

Fun fact: that heart is probably (if it isn't the seed pod of an extinct plant used to prevent conception) a symbolic rendering of testicles, just upside down. Because Romans, and the temple of Aphrodite, and the need for 20th century folks to sanitize everything before its smeared all over holidays.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
40k's Avatar has both IRL and narrative issues with AoS compatibility. In real terms there is a significant difference in the detail work--the aesthetic is very Craftworlds and distinct from DoK.

Fluff wise, it gets into what Daughters of 'Khaine' really are. Though they worship Khaine and believe they are worshipping Khaine it is Morathi who channels all the power of that worship (the iron heart her model is holding is literally Khaine's heart) and more recently has ascended to full godhood as Morathi-Khaine. In AoS Khaine's actual power as a deity has always been a lie, and it is now debatable if he even exists at all or what little was left has been subsumed into Morathi.

If they were going to release a new 'Avatar of Khaine' model for DoK based on the current lore, it would be a big statue of Morathi ala the Celestine statue from the Battle Sanctum kit. Not anything like the Eldar thing.

The t-posing is future proof of sculptor incase they need to make a big expensive Avatar in the future, and substitute it with the t-pose statue would look ridiculous, little did they know in the future the t-pose avatar was used and no one cares enough to make the big expensive AoS avatar.