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 Oguhmek wrote:
...let's just hope the pricing is within reason. I mean it's a start box, right, you'd want it accessible if you want people to get into the game?

You must be new to GW

I'm half expecting it to cost a fortune and also be sold out within a few minutes of the preorders going up.

I'm trying to decide how much I'm willing to pay given what comes in the box so I can decide at the moment of release whether or not I want it.

Hmm yea come to think of it, the contents of this box look like it's on the level of Necromunda Dark Uprising, and that was like £175/€230, right?

So maybe I shouldn't expect Shadow War: Armageddon levels of savings (because that was an amazing deal).

 Olthannon wrote:
The one thing I would say is I kind of wish it wasn't the death korps. The models are extremely cool but I don't really like them in the lore. I would have much preferred Valhallans or Steel Legion as the ultimate anti Ork regiments.

Some veteran style Valhallans in the same vein would have been incredible.

I mean they're a head swap away from being Valhallans. And overall super similar to Steel Legion. You don't need to use the models as Krieg.

I've been musing what to do with these, I really like the models, but I want to personalise them somehow. But yeah, finally great looking plastic IG troopers! I'll be expanding my guard force for sure.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
Okay, here you can see how frigging huge that chariot is:

This is the one bad model of the bunch, it looks like one of those action figure vehicles with awkwardly oversized seating positions to accomodate 6" figures while keeping the overall size managable for sale, and with the obligatory spring firing turrets

Agreed. They should have.done a squiggoth instead of that thing

 streetsamurai wrote:
They should have.done a squiggoth instead of that thing

Yeah, it would fit much better. This one should be used for some chariot sized vehicle or as separate beast.

Those new orks are really godawful.

I like kommandos but they're basically a gang for the skirmish game Kill team, not a proper 40k unit. Of course monopose.

Boyz are terrible: too dynamic and their faces look dumb, just like the snaggas. I do like the nobz sculpts except also them are monopose. I have more than 30 nobz already and they all look very different. Orks are not like power armour dudes, necrons, etc that can be duplicated and no one cares: each model, especially leading dudes like nobz, should look like a specific unique individual. That's one of the things that always contributed to make the orks line amazing.

Overall I can't stand that feral vibe that the new line of models have. Most of those upcoming models look like silly cartoons. And I won't definitely like the prices .

Deffkoptas are great though.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Hmm yea come to think of it, the contents of this box look like it's on the level of Necromunda Dark Uprising, and that was like £175/€230, right?

So maybe I shouldn't expect Shadow War: Armageddon levels of savings (because that was an amazing deal).

My guess is that it won't be as expensive as Necromunda-DU. That box is truly massive with I believe 16 full sprues of terrain plus a sprue of orange translucent plastic for the measuring tools. KT:O has six sprues of terrain, plus a half sprue of terrain and measurement tools. The Necromunda-DU armies are also 1.5 frame kits similar to KT:O

WarCry Catacombs ($210) also has six full sprues of terrain. The KT:O Ork/DKoK sprues are slightly larger than the WarCry armies, but they aren't too far off.

My hunch is that given they're touting it as a "Launch Box" it'll fit into this new $199 Indomitus/Dominion pricing scheme. That said, given that launch boxes usually have big rule books and offer a substantial discount, I wouldn't be shocked if this fell into the "Dual Box" $170/$185 price point. I could also see it at the Christmas Bundle/WC:C $210 point as well. That said, given the popularity of these two armies, Necromunda-DU isn't fully off the table. Anyway, just early morning rationalizations

 Blackie wrote:
I like kommandos but they're basically a gang for the skirmish game Kill team, not a proper 40k unit. Of course monopose.

They said there are options on the sprue to build them as 'normal' Kommandos instead of the Kill Team Specialists.

And to sum it all up: no bugs love as expected. At least we nids fans are not disappointed

 Crimson wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
The one thing I would say is I kind of wish it wasn't the death korps. The models are extremely cool but I don't really like them in the lore. I would have much preferred Valhallans or Steel Legion as the ultimate anti Ork regiments.

Some veteran style Valhallans in the same vein would have been incredible.

I mean they're a head swap away from being Valhallans. And overall super similar to Steel Legion. You don't need to use the models as Krieg.

I've been using what to do with these, I really like the models, but I want to personalise them somehow. But yeah, finally great looking plastic IG troopers! I'll be expanding my guard force for sure.

That's an extremely good point! I'd forgotten they were multipart. I don't know I think it's just me I just don't like the krieg much.

 Samsonov wrote:
Well, I have waited about 20 years for plastic Death Korps (after seeing the illustrations in the 3rd Guard codex I think)... If like modern 40k models then they are great but personally the chunkiness is a major let down for me. I mean, legs almost as thick as their heads and utterly massive weapons. Conveniently, I have another plan. Google "wargames atlantic german infantry death korps of krieg" and it comes up with convincing conversions for DKoK which are relatively cheap and quick to do.

Worked for me!

I love the Death Korps and I’m really hoping that they’re the first release in a full plastic Death Korps range. Imperial guard have been stuck with terrible minis for far too long.

I’m not interested in getting this box though. It’s far too Orky for my tastes. I think Orks are the only faction in 40K that I thoroughly dislike.

I hope it's:

Command Squad
Heavy Weapon Teams (3)
Death Riders

The infantry squad we have should cover everything else, right?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
And to sum it all up: no bugs love as expected. At least we nids fans are not disappointed

It's hard to be angry about what we get when we get nothing at all.

GW has done one off releases in the past like Rogue Trader. DKoK could be one of those. A one off or they could be the start of a general release. I hope its the latter

Some nice ork commandos there the bigger Squigs are inferior is every way in comparison with AoS Mangler Squigs... Its almost like its a rushed job with muscles and textures almost flat with no definition or interest... Big chariot is pants design wise.

Kriegs look like they had too many Big Macs on the spaceport.

Overall nice kits with some gems on the small kits. Big kits are disappointing.

 Overread wrote:
GW has done one off releases in the past like Rogue Trader. DKoK could be one of those. A one off or they could be the start of a general release. I hope its the latter

+1. With three SKUs you could change the profile of a popular and easily allied army. Considering the love untested factions like Lumineth Realm Lords have received it seems like a complete no-brainer of an investment.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I do prefer the shape of the old gas masks too. They look like hastily sewn together bits of leather, the new plastic ones look like they've been sculpted to look more skull shape.


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Actually they're not terribly different in size when you scale them so the bases are the same...

OMG the inferior legs almost doubled... makes the overall look much thicker.

I expect GW to do only one Kill Team box for some guard regiments like they did for WarCry with chaos cultists.
But I imagine if they see Krieg's box selling like hot cakes, they'll follow the money.

 NAVARRO wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I do prefer the shape of the old gas masks too. They look like hastily sewn together bits of leather, the new plastic ones look like they've been sculpted to look more skull shape.


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Actually they're not terribly different in size when you scale them so the bases are the same...

OMG the inferior legs almost doubled... makes the overall look much thicker.

FW Krieg and Elysian were s ale to human proportions, thus skinnier limbs, smaller weapons, and more broken parts. The GW plastic is using the heroic human proportions, which are different.

I think those Plastik DKoK look better, the FW Legs are too thin. I'm average and have thicker Legs than them...

TheGuest wrote:
I expect GW to do only one Kill Team box for some guard regiments like they did for WarCry with chaos cultists.
But I imagine if they see Krieg's box selling like hot cakes, they'll follow the money.

Adam Troke already announced during the Stream that they will expand that Range...

I think the proportions of the new Krieg look fine. More realistic scale tends to look better in close up photos, heroic scale looks better on tabletop. My only fear is that these are not 25mm bases, but 28,5mm bases and the models are giants like the Cursed City characters.

TheGuest wrote:
I expect GW to do only one Kill Team box for some guard regiments like they did for WarCry with chaos cultists.
But I imagine if they see Krieg's box selling like hot cakes, they'll follow the money.

Looking at the sprue and all the options do we think it's safe to conclude the Krieg will be available on their own for IG?

Or might this be like that first wave of sisters and disappear forever?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

TheGuest wrote:
I expect GW to do only one Kill Team box for some guard regiments like they did for WarCry with chaos cultists.
But I imagine if they see Krieg's box selling like hot cakes, they'll follow the money.

Looking at the sprue and all the options do we think it's safe to conclude the Krieg will be available on their own for IG?

Or might this be like that first wave of sisters and disappear forever?

Nah they said everything in the box would also be sold separately.

I reckon new guard codex in autumn.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

TheGuest wrote:
I expect GW to do only one Kill Team box for some guard regiments like they did for WarCry with chaos cultists.
But I imagine if they see Krieg's box selling like hot cakes, they'll follow the money.

Looking at the sprue and all the options do we think it's safe to conclude the Krieg will be available on their own for IG?

Or might this be like that first wave of sisters and disappear forever?

They’ve said that everything in the box will be available separately.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hope it's:

Command Squad
Heavy Weapon Teams (3)
Death Riders

The infantry squad we have should cover everything else, right?

Grenadiers? One of the kneeling dudes has a grenadier style helmet, but grenadiers also have different guns and wear a bit of armour (chest plate, shin plates and more substantial shoulder pieces).

You also have crew for artillery pieces that are pretty iconic, maybe they'll go down that path.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hope it's:

Command Squad
Heavy Weapon Teams (3)
Death Riders

The infantry squad we have should cover everything else, right?

I’m hoping for a bit more than that. Some artillery would be nice, thudd guns or heavy mortars (perhaps a dual kits). Maybe a Centaur too.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hope it's:

Command Squad
Heavy Weapon Teams (3)
Death Riders

The infantry squad we have should cover everything else, right?

I’m hoping for a bit more than that. Some artillery would be nice, thudd guns or heavy mortars (perhaps a dual kits). Maybe a Centaur too.

People are getting bit greedy, eh?

I think the new Krieg overall look great, and i'm glad to see them in plastic, but at the same time they just don't seem as good as the originals. The small changes change the tone of them somewhat - the extra and more rounded shoulder pads makes them closer to cadians, and the shorter, less angular/sharp gasmask with a different lens shape feels somewhat less harsh and menacing. Both changes feel like a downgrade that makes them somewhat more generic.

 Sotahullu wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hope it's:

Command Squad
Heavy Weapon Teams (3)
Death Riders

The infantry squad we have should cover everything else, right?

I’m hoping for a bit more than that. Some artillery would be nice, thudd guns or heavy mortars (perhaps a dual kits). Maybe a Centaur too.

People are getting bit greedy, eh?

GW won't have any choice when Krieg become the second most popular army in 40k.

Can't wait to see other people's paint jobs. GW is not doing the models any favours with that colour scheme.

 Crimson wrote:
My only fear is that these are not 25mm bases, but 28,5mm bases and the models are giants like the Cursed City characters.

Yeah that worries me.

And the mask redesign is a downgrade too.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I think the new Krieg overall look great, and i'm glad to see them in plastic, but at the same time they just don't seem as good as the originals. The small changes change the tone of them somewhat - the extra and more rounded shoulder pads makes them closer to cadians, and the shorter, less angular/sharp gasmask with a different lens shape feels somewhat less harsh and menacing. Both changes feel like a downgrade that makes them somewhat more generic.

The mask one annoys me most, I really like the mask of the FW ones and the mask on these guys just doesn't look as good. I don't know why they thought that was a good idea to change as the Krieg mask is so iconic and mart of what sets them apart vs 3rd party options or historic models. The shoulder pads don't really bother me as they're not bulky like the Cadian ones.

Another one I didn't notice at first but am now, the FW models the greatcoat drapes straight down over the legs, and some of the models fold them up and clip them out of the way exposing the model's knees, but the plastic ones the greatcoat kinda just weirdly pulls away and around the knees, I'm guessing because the sculptor couldn't figure out how to do folds with the limitations of plastic.

But there's a lot of little things, like the proportions of the FW ones were perfect but these dudes look to have cankles, the air tube has less creases and they're bigger making it look less detailed.

Actually I didn't think about that before, supposedly the air tube means the head position is fixed. Or maybe there's enough flex in the plastic to just bend it into another position?

But overall I think they look good, they were never going to be as good as the FW ones because the FW ones are nearly perfect and also make use of the high level of detail achievable in resin but not in plastic.

I think once I'm holding them in my hand they'll look even nicer due to the small size of them.