Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
You are in the US, if there is a machining shop nearby you could go and order one with just a pentagon on the right place. GW cannot copyright what's basically a geometrical shape.
You'll pay through the nose but it's not like high prices scare us at this stage, right?
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
Do we know if the Kill Team: Octariusstarter set will be out for a few years or after the made towers have been done it will be retired and just the individual parts will be available?
it's a limited box while supplies last only. get it while you can, once the maid to order. is gone and all the inventory and shop sells out it won't be coming back.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Ragweek wrote: Do we know if the Kill Team: Octariusstarter set will be out for a few years or after the made towers have been done it will be retired and just the individual parts will be available?
Sorry if this has been already answered.
Sadly, its just a launch set. Get your order in now if you really want it.
chaos0xomega wrote: it's a limited box while supplies last only. get it while you can, once the maid to order. is gone and all the inventory and shop sells out it won't be coming back.
Here gw finally went to mto for last 5.5h. Took surprisingly long. Wonder how uch it was large stock, mto reducing scalpers and bad reviews driving buyers away.
Miguelsan wrote: You are in the US, if there is a machining shop nearby you could go and order one with just a pentagon on the right place. GW cannot copyright what's basically a geometrical shape.
You'll pay through the nose but it's not like high prices scare us at this stage, right?
Why would you even bother? Pick up a piece of wood and cut it.
Go to a Lowes or Home Depot if you want it fancy, or give it to a teenager to take into the school's shop class.
Cut it, sand it, doodle or carve the shapes, stain it, call it a short afternoon.
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2021/08/15 15:49:51
with a new KT product every quarter it does not need to come back
and that it is a bad game but only worth the (for now) exclusive minis is nothing new, you could this from the preview articles alone
and not all reviews are bad, all but 1 that got the box for free was very positive on how cool it is to have a game different from 40k and how awesome the minis are
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
Miguelsan wrote: You are in the US, if there is a machining shop nearby you could go and order one with just a pentagon on the right place. GW cannot copyright what's basically a geometrical shape.
You'll pay through the nose but it's not like high prices scare us at this stage, right?
Why would you even bother? Pick up a piece of wood and cut it.
Go to a Lowes or Home Depot if you want it fancy, or give it to a teenager to take into the school's shop class.
Cut it, sand it, doodle or carve the shapes, stain it, call it a short afternoon.
The point is to get a metal one.
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
Miguelsan wrote: You are in the US, if there is a machining shop nearby you could go and order one with just a pentagon on the right place. GW cannot copyright what's basically a geometrical shape.
You'll pay through the nose but it's not like high prices scare us at this stage, right?
Why would you even bother? Pick up a piece of wood and cut it.
Go to a Lowes or Home Depot if you want it fancy, or give it to a teenager to take into the school's shop class.
Cut it, sand it, doodle or carve the shapes, stain it, call it a short afternoon.
The point is to get a metal one.
M.
I'm not sure why anyone would want a metal one anyway, it'll be more likely to scratch up your models when you inevitably bump or drop it on them. It makes a lot more sense having it plastic.
Miguelsan wrote: You are in the US, if there is a machining shop nearby you could go and order one with just a pentagon on the right place. GW cannot copyright what's basically a geometrical shape.
You'll pay through the nose but it's not like high prices scare us at this stage, right?
Why would you even bother? Pick up a piece of wood and cut it.
Go to a Lowes or Home Depot if you want it fancy, or give it to a teenager to take into the school's shop class.
Cut it, sand it, doodle or carve the shapes, stain it, call it a short afternoon.
The point is to get a metal one.
M.
I'm not sure why anyone would want a metal one anyway, it'll be more likely to scratch up your models when you inevitably bump or drop it on them. It makes a lot more sense having it plastic.
I would have wanted the entire gauge set as metal, since GW bothered to make one of the gauges as a metallic one in the first place. What use do I have for an incomplete set of metal gauges? Take it to work and place it next to the obligatory family pic to show the world what a weirdo I am?
Anyways, back to the rules themselves. I found screenshots of most of the core book pages, as well as the datasheets & ops etc for the two Spec Ops teams in Octarius, and have been reading through them just now.
The Krieg have a lot of interesting combos and synergy benefits you can pull off with them.. like the Confidant Veteran being able to make any friendly model within 6" essentially GA2 with him, or the Vet Zealot giving every friendly within 3" a "Lethal 5+" to all their shooting & fighting attacks. Also interesting is the "Combined Fire" ploy for 1 CP, which gives shooting attack rerolls against a target which was already shot at in that turning point, this ploy would be nasty with those 2GA Vet Troopers, for example. I have to say, the Compendium forces are very modest in comparison, although they will also be much more straightforward to play with.
DKoK seems like a faction for expert players, they aren't very robust, and without skill you'll probably end up taking a beating most of the time. The Kommandos seem much easier to start playing with, there are many strong models there which are effective even without planning for max synergy combos.
I think I really like the overall game mechanics of KT2. Already contemplating how one could play something like Space Hulk with the KT2 rules, obvsly we'd need Terminator datasheets first but yeh
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/08/15 18:43:42
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
M0ff3l wrote: I feel like DKoK is hindered a lot by not being able to take the +4 veterans option straight out of the box.
That's also a good point. 14 Krieg might be a lot less challenging to play with
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: But that removes the whole "One box is all ya need" aspect, now don't it.
That's not even a thing tho. The... positive people... have argued that no mixing allowed is Good Thing(TM) because one box is all you need... but a lot of factions, SM being the biggest exception, can mix sets and lots even have a rule saying you can't have both fire teams be from a particular box.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
I wasn't really argueing for or against the new list building thing. Just stating that the DKoK probably want the +4 guys in terms of power level especially vs the kommando kill team.
Aside from that, one box is all you need to play in this case, 1 box being all you need for a "top tier" list has never been a thing in warhammer afaik.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: But that removes the whole "One box is all ya need" aspect, now don't it.
That's not even a thing tho. The... positive people... have argued that no mixing allowed is Good Thing(TM) because one box is all you need... but a lot of factions, SM being the biggest exception, can mix sets and lots even have a rule saying you can't have both fire teams be from a particular box.
No mixing is definitely an opinion based thing. I personally like it, but I understand the arguments against it. Kind of funny how you make it sound like "positive people" is a bad thing. Does "liking a change" = "cringe" these days?
And most factions still can play the game out of one box. Space Marines fit this. One box of assault intercessors or reivers will get you rolling.
Having looked through most factions, the one that stands out as NOT following that unwritten 'ideal' (since it's not really a 'rule') is the Necron. You need 2 Fire Teams and cannot have more than one Warrior Fire Team, and the rest of the options are only 5-man boxes, making 4-man Fire Teams. So, you need at least 2 boxes to make a proper Necron Kill Team.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: But that removes the whole "One box is all ya need" aspect, now don't it.
That's not even a thing tho. The... positive people... have argued that no mixing allowed is Good Thing(TM) because one box is all you need... but a lot of factions, SM being the biggest exception, can mix sets and lots even have a rule saying you can't have both fire teams be from a particular box.
No mixing is definitely an opinion based thing. I personally like it, but I understand the arguments against it. Kind of funny how you make it sound like "positive people" is a bad thing. Does "liking a change" = "cringe" these days?
And most factions still can play the game out of one box. Space Marines fit this. One box of assault intercessors or reivers will get you rolling.
Having looked through most factions, the one that stands out as NOT following that unwritten 'ideal' (since it's not really a 'rule') is the Necron. You need 2 Fire Teams and cannot have more than one Warrior Fire Team, and the rest of the options are only 5-man boxes, making 4-man Fire Teams. So, you need at least 2 boxes to make a proper Necron Kill Team.
Demons are also 2 short from an single box.
I think the big issue is that we also don’t know what the future teams are, weather they are expanded from the compendium or just new teams that you have to hope line up with what you want to play.
The no mixing thing doesn't really bother me, I think people over rate having huge lists of options.
That said, I'm not at all happy about what GW has done with the compendium, so you could hardly call me a "positive people". It feels like it should have been a white dwarf article rather than a $50 book. When GW try to bleed customers for all they're worth, it's usually not to the benefit of the game.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: The no mixing thing doesn't really bother me, I think people over rate having huge lists of options.
That said, I'm not at all happy about what GW has done with the compendium, so you could hardly call me a "positive people". It feels like it should have been a white dwarf article rather than a $50 book. When GW try to bleed customers for all they're worth, it's usually not to the benefit of the game.
I think it depends a lot on the specifics, some feel off. Other stuff feels ok, our demons players are all running effectively the same lists.
Stuff like Eldar going to be a pain as well.
If it was a free book I do agree then it would be better, but at this point it’s going to be two years to get updates for factions that already feel less fresh than when they had nothing :0
Been playing the old KT, and in just 3 games my friend/opponent discovered the whole Comms, plus Auspex on a Missile Launcher with Sniper trick for the ol 2+ reroll one auto win, and just like in 2019 I'm bored with it.
Maybe there will be a little bit more to it with these restrictions.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: The no mixing thing doesn't really bother me, I think people over rate having huge lists of options.
That said, I'm not at all happy about what GW has done with the compendium, so you could hardly call me a "positive people". It feels like it should have been a white dwarf article rather than a $50 book. When GW try to bleed customers for all they're worth, it's usually not to the benefit of the game.
I think it depends a lot on the specifics, some feel off. Other stuff feels ok, our demons players are all running effectively the same lists.
Stuff like Eldar going to be a pain as well.
If it was a free book I do agree then it would be better, but at this point it’s going to be two years to get updates for factions that already feel less fresh than when they had nothing :0
Yeah, and I think when GW drip feeds releases like this it's going to get very expensive for anyone who wants to run more than 1 or 2 kill teams (which I assume is most people who are genuinely interested in the game).
Like, to play DKOK, you need the Octarius book, which means you need to buy a $200 boxed set full of Orks and terrain you probably don't want. Then on top of that you'll probably want to buy another box of DKOK when they come out as 1 squad doesn't give you all options.
Then when Tyranids come out, are you also going to have to buy some versus box for another $200 to get the book that they'll be included in? Even if you don't, even if they release the book separately, that's going to be another $50 book and whatever accessories you need.
Then maybe DKOK get an update in another campaign book, so you'll spend another $50 on that (this is basically what they did with Aeronautica Imperialis, where to play a full Imperial squadron you need to buy 2 separate campaign books).
It's getting very expensive to play a small scale skirmish game with only a couple of teams, which I think will put people off even more than the silly triangle circle square pentagon stuff.
Glass Half Dead had a stream with a KT2 playtester AMA last night
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
tauist wrote: Glass Half Dead had a stream with a KT2 playtester AMA last night
Spoiler:
Any interesting points to come out of it? 3 hours is a bit more time than I have to dedicate, lol.
It’s a listen why doing other things I think, good background info and worth it as a interest peace as a whole. But nothing jumped out for me as a must know.
Very restricted about what can be said sadly is my thoughts on it.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: The no mixing thing doesn't really bother me, I think people over rate having huge lists of options.
That said, I'm not at all happy about what GW has done with the compendium, so you could hardly call me a "positive people". It feels like it should have been a white dwarf article rather than a $50 book. When GW try to bleed customers for all they're worth, it's usually not to the benefit of the game.
I think it depends a lot on the specifics, some feel off. Other stuff feels ok, our demons players are all running effectively the same lists.
Stuff like Eldar going to be a pain as well.
If it was a free book I do agree then it would be better, but at this point it’s going to be two years to get updates for factions that already feel less fresh than when they had nothing :0
Yeah, and I think when GW drip feeds releases like this it's going to get very expensive for anyone who wants to run more than 1 or 2 kill teams (which I assume is most people who are genuinely interested in the game).
Like, to play DKOK, you need the Octarius book, which means you need to buy a $200 boxed set full of Orks and terrain you probably don't want. Then on top of that you'll probably want to buy another box of DKOK when they come out as 1 squad doesn't give you all options.
Then when Tyranids come out, are you also going to have to buy some versus box for another $200 to get the book that they'll be included in? Even if you don't, even if they release the book separately, that's going to be another $50 book and whatever accessories you need.
Then maybe DKOK get an update in another campaign book, so you'll spend another $50 on that (this is basically what they did with Aeronautica Imperialis, where to play a full Imperial squadron you need to buy 2 separate campaign books).
It's getting very expensive to play a small scale skirmish game with only a couple of teams, which I think will put people off even more than the silly triangle circle square pentagon stuff.
Just saying, if I had the DKoK models, I could play with them already. Their rules, polys etc are all posted online already.. This "getting very expensive" point isn't really as big of an issue IRL as people make it to be (Disclaimer: I already preordered Octarius, so I have already paid for the rules; in my case this isn't about piracy)
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Nightlord1987 wrote: Been playing the old KT, and in just 3 games my friend/opponent discovered the whole Comms, plus Auspex on a Missile Launcher with Sniper trick for the ol 2+ reroll one auto win, and just like in 2019 I'm bored with it.
Maybe there will be a little bit more to it with these restrictions.
All of those are option within a single tac squad, not being able to mix and pick your team composition wouldn't change if a single unit choice in the game is (allegedly) broken. Unit still have a Specialism and extra equipment choice like auspex.
The fireteam restriction force people to spam the same fighters in their team, which is pretty annoying for many niche units that people only want to bring 1 or 2, not 4,5.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/08/16 04:15:28
