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 porkuslime wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Would you say I have a plethora of bolt weapons?

I love that word.. it means so much to me..

It means a lot to everyone that understands it.

Awesome bundle for starting kill team with your existing models
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/kill-team-essentials-collection-2021

 privateer4hire wrote:
Awesome bundle for starting kill team with your existing models
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/kill-team-essentials-collection-2021

If "awesome" by your standards is "costs exactly the same as all the items individually" then be my guest...

 tauist wrote:

We have to assume this being a theoretical discussion since places such as R****t are filled with posts where "cheapskate" users are looking, and finding, the full rules and codecii for both games for free.

if we skip the theoreticals and go into practicalities, the costs of fielding a "tournament grade" army for these systems should also be factored into the costs.. and must we really even go there?

So I'll just counter your argument with another:

"The problem with the Warhammer 40,000 game is that the armies are more expensive to get into than Kill Team."

Your counter argument would be considered if I had outright said "40K is cheaper than Kill Team", but I specifically took point with only with the price of the rules of the game, and I also made it clear that I was talking about "a very casual game" of both systems. Tournament grade is on a totally different level and I made no attempt to even go there.

There is also a difference between being miserly and hoisting the jolly roger. At that point we might as well talk about 3D printing copies of GW sculpts.

Note to moderators - I am certainly NOT suggesting such behaviour, and nor do I wish to take the thread in that direction.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Awesome bundle for starting kill team with your existing models
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/kill-team-essentials-collection-2021

If "awesome" by your standards is "costs exactly the same as all the items individually" then be my guest...

I think thats the jest being made!

And it’s so much easier than last edition. That cost me $40 and included confusing lists that covered many of my models. Sometimes I would think: These army lists should be in a separate book and cost the same as the core rules by themselves.

Part of what makes that video so long, and visibility rules so confusing in KT, is GW deliberately using phrases that confuse people (kinda like using colored shapes instead of normal units of measurement)*.

Visibility and Line of Sight being different is just, intuitively, dumb. But if you contrasted Visibility with Line of Fire, then the reason for the difference becomes clear. Someone may be visible, in that you can see somebody is over there, but not in the line of fire, because there's just too much crap between you and them to have any reasonable chance of hitting them.

I can't fathom why the writers (not the designers) of the rules decided on some of the ways that they conveyed the rules in this game, though.



*I also think they could have written the same rules more clearly either way: This model can fire over this obstacle because he is really close to it, and can stand up and look over it if he wants. This model is so close to that model that, regardless of stuff in the way, he can shoot at him, unless he just can't see him at all.This model is sneaking around under a Conceal order and can be presumed to be taking cover behind this obstacle, where this model has an Engage order, so is presumed to be actively looking over these obstacles to find foes to fight, etc.

If the rumours are true that Squats are coming to KT, what are the odds they'll be up against Tyranids in a box set, rather than Catachans v Tyranids?

Ancient Otter wrote:
If the rumours are true that Squats are coming to KT, what are the odds they'll be up against Tyranids in a box set, rather than Catachans v Tyranids?

Rumor wasn't that Squats are coming to KT. That was people trying to make pieces fit.

Just that "Squats are coming".

Do we know anything about the Corsairs' opponents now?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Do we know anything about the Corsairs' opponents now?

Other than they're CSM, no

Wondering if it will be only a Corsairs expansion for the game. Maybe bringing an element of piracy to Kill Team, that we haven't seen before?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
If the rumours are true that Squats are coming to KT, what are the odds they'll be up against Tyranids in a box set, rather than Catachans v Tyranids?

Rumor wasn't that Squats are coming to KT. That was people trying to make pieces fit.

Just that "Squats are coming".

Nope there was another rumour form the accurate discord source that said Squats where getting their own Killteam but it was potentially a long way off [whatever that means]. It was day 24 of the discord rumour calendar. Also said that harlequins where getting a new unit via killteam.

 silverstu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
If the rumours are true that Squats are coming to KT, what are the odds they'll be up against Tyranids in a box set, rather than Catachans v Tyranids?

Rumor wasn't that Squats are coming to KT. That was people trying to make pieces fit.

Just that "Squats are coming".

Nope there was another rumour form the accurate discord source that said Squats where getting their own Killteam but it was potentially a long way off [whatever that means]. It was day 24 of the discord rumour calendar. Also said that harlequins where getting a new unit via killteam.

Harlequin killteam is getting rules in the next issue of White Dwarf so I really doubt they would get both a set of WD Killteam rules and then a new unit in a Killteam release.

lord_blackfang wrote:Do we know anything about the Corsairs' opponents now?

Not yet

SamusDrake wrote:Wondering if it will be only a Corsairs expansion for the game. Maybe bringing an element of piracy to Kill Team, that we haven't seen before?

They will be released firstin Kill Team: Nachmund set, so probably will have opponents with like the Octarius and Chalnath sets.

 silverstu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
If the rumours are true that Squats are coming to KT, what are the odds they'll be up against Tyranids in a box set, rather than Catachans v Tyranids?

Rumor wasn't that Squats are coming to KT. That was people trying to make pieces fit.

Just that "Squats are coming".

Nope there was another rumour form the accurate discord source that said Squats where getting their own Killteam but it was potentially a long way off [whatever that means]. It was day 24 of the discord rumour calendar. Also said that harlequins where getting a new unit via killteam.

Nope, sorry.


That was the first credible mention of Squats in the Bolter & Chainsword leak list.

Per Bob on War of Sigmar, Squats are "more than a Kill Team". He made that specific notation since the usual dumpsterfires of rumormongering immediately latched onto that list and said that Squats would be "just" a Kill Team like the Rogue Traders initially got released as.

Does that mean that a Squat KT isn't going to happen? No. But like I said:
The rumor started by people trying to make the leaks fit.

Oh yeah, and worth mentioning that the Discord leaker seems to have just been someone with a book. That doesn't actually mean they have knowledge of upcoming releases or the like. Just that they had a book.

So far the rumors from that have been spot on, and a lot of other rumor bundles have broken off from that one, some credible, some not.

As it is, the Chaos Marine rumors have been heating up with a rumor that the Corsairs will be going up against "Chaos Marine Legionaries" assumed to be a box of Chaos Marines with an extra sprue of kill team options, including a baleful tome for psychic stuff, a double-handed chainaxe, and a daemon blade for the aspiring champion. Will be real interesting to see how that shakes out, but GW is playing real cagey.

With the Eldar still not going up for preorder (delays surely hit them hard, since by now we know just about everything about them), they're likely playing things close to the chest to make sure that hype over a Chaos release doesn't stymie the Eldar or upcoming Tyranid Codex releases.

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 GiToRaZor wrote:

The measuring devices are actually not bad to be honest. I lol'ed at them first as well and the shapes could have been better, I would have gone for circle 1'', X 2'', triangle 3" and hexagon for 6", but even that is grasped quick enough. They tried a new concept that streamlines the game, boohoo. But they are very practical and I've come to no longer use the measuring tape. They really speed up the game process.

I've only played a single game (COVID) so far and I've not been able to discern any advantage to the shapes (the ones used are not intuitive and your version would have been preferable). Have you found there's a benefit to the shapes?

The thing about the shapes is that they want to get you into different form of movements, you don't move 6", you move 3 times 2" straight lines. Or less if you are injured.
All modifications are always in these discrete increments and what the shapes do is formalize this in a way that actually easier to grasp and formulate rules wise.

If you want an obnoxious counter example, see the Leman Russ Lumbering Behemoth Rule: If the tank moves less than half it's speed, it can fire twice. If it has 10" movement, that means, it can move 4.99999999999", but never 5". 40K is full of these way too granular rules that can be introduced, because the ruleset sets no minimal measuring distance. KT is more like moving on a 1" hexgrid in that respect and the rules have no way to cirumvent this (at this point). This greatly helps to speed up the movement process. Same as the tool. Because the board is small and usually tight (if you have decent terrain) you will actually have a hard time even just fitting the measuring tape. But with the tool, you can move quite quick along the increments. in combination, this makes the game a little less competetive, because you stop caring to measure every possible distance all the time and focus on the gameplay itself. Less standing around waiting, less reading your rules because they are so minimally different (looking at you 52 bolter variants) more time having fun with your friends. As I said, don't play KT for competetiveness, or you will have a bad time eventually.

The other advantage might be accessibility. I have no disability, but shapes/colors are supposed to be more accessible to people with calculatory/numerical/reading issues. But as I said, it doesn't affect me and as such I can't comment.

Brief interlude..

I have the 3 flat obstacles (the junk heaps with tires) from the Ork/Krieg box that I am not using.

If anyone wants them, send me a note and we can talk trade

Chaos Marines Kill team shown off

You’ll be able to dominate the battlefield with a range of operatives. Like to gun down your enemies from distance? The Heavy Gunner’s reaper chaincannon will cut a swathe through your foes. Prefer to get up close and personal? The Shrivetalon is bound to leave a mark with his flensing blades. Need some psychic support? That’s where the Balefire Acolyte comes in.

These operatives are painted up in Black Legion colours (the home for ambitious heretics of any persuasion) but these kit enhancements would look at home in most other Legions. The giant axe is perhaps indication of a Khornate mindset, while the Butcher’s fondness for flayed skin could be indicative of a Nostraman origin. The Balefire Acolite has a book and some flames – the symbolism is obvious for any follower of The Word.

Nice. I was hoping for some new terrain however, but alas.

Some very nice bits for us word bearers. Models are hit or miss, but I like that the chaotic mk vi helmet has an additional version with horns and a tongue. Love that style of helmet so it’ll be a fine addition to my collection

CSM team looks great. IMO better part of the box.

Not a fan of the faces. Look too much like Cartoon Network Bad Guys. Might be the paintjob though.

All I know is that the guy wielding the twin-pronged sword here is having a great Monday!

They look cool.
I would like to do a chaos warband so Kill Team fits great.
I’m not really sure what bits are new aside from the big noticeable gun/axe, and assumed champion and sorcerer pieces there.

 Kanluwen wrote:
All I know is that the guy wielding the twin-pronged sword here is having a great Monday!

Someone needs to make that meme with moe from the simpsons with his two knives

 Oguhmek wrote:
Nice. I was hoping for some new terrain however, but alas.

Agreed. How many times can they repackage the Sector Mechanicus terrain ?!!
I love it. I have LOTS of it. I just don't need or want more of it.
And especially not in a pricey box set of stuff I DO want.

I also wonder how much it’ll be solo.
What did the Guard and Kommandos solo release at?
Chaos Marines are already £35, so I guess it won’t be cheap with an extra Sprue.

My god, not that same terrain set AGAIN.

 Esmer wrote:
Not a fan of the faces. Look too much like Cartoon Network Bad Guys. Might be the paintjob though.

Dude! Holy gak. This is the first time I've ever liked bare heads. Loving these models.