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JSG wrote: GW keep dodging a plastic Inquisitor and retinue.
They could go half and half- an upgrade sized sprue could fit an ordo xenos inquisitor and then a few parts to upgrade a 5 man deathwatch unit with some more interesting xenos bits than just a xenophase blade.
That is a super-inspired idea…so GW will never think of it.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Orks? We already got kommandos with kill team. Tankbustas need a plastic kit, but lootas or nobz with upgrades would make more sense in a space hulk.
Well, we are getting Kroot when Tau already got Pathfinders.
I think Flash Gitz (with upgrade sprue) would be the best, they have the Freebooterz pirate vibe.
my dream would be a new freebooterz unit, with a wide variety of weapons, but this would be almost the same as kommandos. So it's probably what are you saying (lootas/flash gitz with new sprue)
so if we consider these factions to be true, and we add karskin for his base style.. only two other factions would remain. A good opportunity to rescue gallepox and elucydians.
That is an if, though. The odds of GW just namedropping three future factions, at least one of which won't be released for another six months at a minimum, is slim.
A more conservative read is that Genestealers and Orks are mentioned because GW happens to have Space Hulk themed Black Library stories they can cross promote to people fired up about the new setting.
World Eaters may stand a better chance of getting a Kill Team release since their link just goes to the Angron reveal article instead of trying to sell you something now. Which still does not rule out that it's also just a chance to promote stuff in general rather than a stealthy sneak peek.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Geifer wrote: A more conservative read is that Genestealers and Orks are mentioned because GW happens to have Space Hulk themed Black Library stories they can cross-promote to people fired up about the new setting.
World Eaters may stand a better chance of getting a Kill Team release since their link just goes to the Angron reveal article instead of trying to sell you something now. This still does not rule out that it's also just a chance to promote stuff in general rather than a stealthy sneak peek.
I'd argue that everything in the article was either meant to be a nostalgia trip or cross-promotion for a Black Library book. The reference to Angron is a nod to the lore for the First War for Armageddon, the art pieces are from the First and Third Editions of Space Hulk, and the hyperlinks go straight to Black Library stories about space hulks. And even then, the fact that Genestealers, Orks, and Renegades have always been mentioned as possible threats that one encounters in space hulks.
Looks like bell of lost souls has the price of the new kill team stuff and here is the link
[url]https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2022/07/this-weeks-warhammer-40k-products-pricing-confirmed-hello-kill-team.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Socia
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For those that don't want to go there here are the prices
Kill Team Nachmund Book: $45 €35 £27.50
Kill Team: Corsair Voidscarred $60 €45 £35
Kill Team Chaos Space Marines Legionaries: $70 €55 £42.50
It's what I expected.
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Well, there are 8 teams to be released for this coming "Space Hulk" season. We know two:
Imperial Navy
Kroot
We have many compelling reasons to believe these two will be coming:
Cadian Karskin
Leagues of Votann
The individual who shared the leak that Navy & Kroot were coming in this next box has stated that the following box will be Karskin versus:
Beastmen
So, we have 3 more to speculate wildly about. I think there is a decent chance that the reference to Blood Angels in the "Into the Dark" reveal may indicate a Terminator force coming.
Second, we are talking about Space Hulk here, so a Tyranid force must be coming, no??? Sure, it's likely to be all Genestealers, a disappointment for me personally...
And the last team is up in the air. If we assume the Votann will slot in to the "imperium" (i.e. good guys) side of whatever box it is released in, then we have our 4 good factions. We are short a bad guy force. Though I'd love Necrons (more likely to be a White Dwarf team), my suspicion is that it will be something wholly new as the rumor is that each box will contain a unit from a 40K army and a KT-specific force (e.g. Imperial Navy, Beastmen). So, give me a force of 4 Zoats please!
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We have zero reason to think Kasrkin or Leagues are coming in KT. Everyone leapt onto the Kasrkin because of the bases, but the pictures they're in should really disabuse you of that notion.
The bases for everything in the picture were different.
I am, however, expecting an AdMech KT at some point.
Well, there are 8 teams to be released for this coming "Space Hulk" season. We know two:
Imperial Navy
Kroot
We have many compelling reasons to believe these two will be coming:
Cadian Karskin
Leagues of Votann
The individual who shared the leak that Navy & Kroot were coming in this next box has stated that the following box will be Karskin versus:
Beastmen
So, we have 3 more to speculate wildly about. I think there is a decent chance that the reference to Blood Angels in the "Into the Dark" reveal may indicate a Terminator force coming.
Second, we are talking about Space Hulk here, so a Tyranid force must be coming, no??? Sure, it's likely to be all Genestealers, a disappointment for me personally...
And the last team is up in the air. If we assume the Votann will slot in to the "imperium" (i.e. good guys) side of whatever box it is released in, then we have our 4 good factions. We are short a bad guy force. Though I'd love Necrons (more likely to be a White Dwarf team), my suspicion is that it will be something wholly new as the rumor is that each box will contain a unit from a 40K army and a KT-specific force (e.g. Imperial Navy, Beastmen). So, give me a force of 4 Zoats please
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Mind posting the rumours?
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Mr_Rose wrote: Kasrkin vs. beastmen? Hope they don’t get covered in too much chaos bling because I have an idea for a Venators gang…
I expect that if we see Beastmen, it will be in the shape of Khorne dogs that tie in with the World Eaters codex.
That makes sense since they mentioned World eaters in the kill team article. It would also come out around the time the World Eater codex is rumoured to comes out.
Well, there were recently 40K rumours that included Primaris Terminators and new Genestealers, so if they were to release such anyway, it would make sense to tie them to space hulky stuff too.
Olthannon wrote: It would be daft of GW not to do a terminators vs genestealers box. I would think that is practically a given.
To be a balanced Kill Team though, it would be what? Three terminators? I think GW will instead have no Astartes teams in this hulk-themed season.
If you’re looking for a balance Astartes vs Genestealer match up? I could easily see the Astartes side being Deathwatch Veterans.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this season features a box with updated/bespoke rules for the Deathwatch Veterans. Their current kit already has the gearing options for loads of specialist: a Leader, Warriors, two Gunners (Shotgun and Stalker Boltgun), two Combatants (Power Maul w/ Stormsheild combo and Heavy Thunderhammer), and two Heavy Gunners (Inferno Heavy Bolter and Frag Cannon). And releasing them would also allow GW to cheekily go “See, people who guessed Inquistion? You were right! We released the chamber militant of the Ordo Xenos!”
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JSG wrote: GW keep dodging a plastic Inquisitor and retinue.
They could go half and half- an upgrade sized sprue could fit an ordo xenos inquisitor and then a few parts to upgrade a 5 man deathwatch unit with some more interesting xenos bits than just a xenophase blade.
Id hope for something more interesting and unique than some Deathwatch.
I'm not going to re-read the lunacy that is the last few pages of this thread, but I'd be very surprised if anyone actually said that. Even that one guy banging on about how relatively difficult it might be for an Inquisitor to acquire power armour, I don't think even that guy said that.
I'm pleasantly surpised that GW is so unpredictable. I would have bet anything that traitor guard would be in the CSM codex, and so far they're stand alone. Nobody saw navy troopers or kroot coming. Still, I'd be shocked if they don't use Killteam as a way to bulk up the Votann release.
Who knows how many non-codex teams they plan on releasing? I'd still wager that codex teams will be roughly half or more. Looking at armies with aging kits for infantry choices, you get Tyranid Genestealers and Dark Eldar Wracks, both of whom could be really fun in Kill team (and big new kits).
If GW is releasing stuff not tied to a codex and related to space hulks though... It could be Hrud time finally!
Kanluwen wrote: We have zero reason to think Kasrkin or Leagues are coming in KT. Everyone leapt onto the Kasrkin because of the bases, but the pictures they're in should really disabuse you of that notion.
The bases for everything in the picture were different.
It's not that they're different bases, it's that they're different bases that perfectly duplicate all of the Kill Team bases we've seen. The simplest explanation here is that GW put the models on Kill Team bases because the leak is accurate and they are in fact a Kill Team release.
Olthannon wrote: It would be daft of GW not to do a terminators vs genestealers box. I would think that is practically a given.
To be a balanced Kill Team though, it would be what? Three terminators? I think GW will instead have no Astartes teams in this hulk-themed season.
I think the Terminators vs Stealers will be a proper Space Hulk box- seems to be what Valrak has heard- he stated that Space Hulk is coming back, even after this Killteam season dropped. The Killteam season either runs along side that or builds up to it. Makes more sense to me that way anyway.
Could see the Votann get an extra unit in the last box of this season - would tie in the trailer, but thats probably me being over optimistic. Harlequins were mentioned in the Eldar Advent rumour calendar and that was generally reasonably accurate? If they do appear I'd expect Mimes- they were the scouts of the Harlies back in the day .. although I'm not sure how they would tie into Killteam in space..
Storywise there wouldn't be an issue. There's nothing to stop an Eldar ship from being part of the hulk. Give it webway access and you get clowns in space.
JSG wrote: GW keep dodging a plastic Inquisitor and retinue.
They could go half and half- an upgrade sized sprue could fit an ordo xenos inquisitor and then a few parts to upgrade a 5 man deathwatch unit with some more interesting xenos bits than just a xenophase blade.
Id hope for something more interesting and unique than some Deathwatch.
Don't we all?
It's not like the Inquisition wouldn't fit into the exotic releases we got either. In the past few years we got Genestealer Cults, Sisters of Battle, a Zoat, an Ambull, we're seeing new Kroot now after twenty years of the same plastic kit, and of course Squats.
But Inquisition has pretty overtly taken the place of Sisters. The faction should get attention but you just can't trust GW to do anything with it until there is physical proof that something is coming.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Olthannon wrote: It would be daft of GW not to do a terminators vs genestealers box. I would think that is practically a given.
To be a balanced Kill Team though, it would be what? Three terminators? I think GW will instead have no Astartes teams in this hulk-themed season.
KT has different statlines for terminators. Who’s to say they don’t balance them out in ways that they couldn’t do with a 5 man squad in 40k? Being slower and more cumbersome, but tougher and harder hitting could be represented with one less AP, but better guns and armor.
Olthannon wrote: It would be daft of GW not to do a terminators vs genestealers box. I would think that is practically a given.
To be a balanced Kill Team though, it would be what? Three terminators? I think GW will instead have no Astartes teams in this hulk-themed season.
KT has different statlines for terminators. Who’s to say they don’t balance them out in ways that they couldn’t do with a 5 man squad in 40k? Being slower and more cumbersome, but tougher and harder hitting could be represented with one less AP, but better guns and armor.
You mean like how Compendium Heavy Interecessors are statlined? Last I heard, almost nobody is playing them.. they are too slow and not enough bodies to capture objectives. Naww man. If TDA wearing operatives get ported to KT21, they need some new approach.
I think we will see a Space Hulk reissue before we see TDA in KT21. This spaceship terrain might have been designed with both KT21 & nuHulk in mind, so that you can use the same terrain kit in both games.
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Pariah Press wrote: They’ve already got Custodes. Seems like terminators could work in KT just fine.
Just leave the Assault Cannons and Cyclone Launchers at home, huh? What specialists would they give Terminators besides bigger guns?
Sergeant.
Terminator with power fist and stormbolter.
Terminator with chainfist and stormbolter.
Terminator with assault cannon.
Terminator with heavy flamer.
Terminator with Cyclone missile launcher.
Terminator with twin lightning claws.
Terminator with thunder hammer and storm shield.
Terminator apothecary.
Terminator with auspex/sensorium (like the one Terminator model from Space Hulk with an auspex in his power fist).
Terminator with signum could work.
Terminator zealot equivalent is also easy.
Terminator with bionic limbs.
That would be a good mix of melee and ranged options plus support.
Edit: could also do a Terminator with a grenade harness or auxiliary grenade launcher as a grenadier specialist. It ctually makes sense for Terminators.
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ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
I don’t see them doing Terminators and Genestealers just because a game about a Space Hulk exists and uses them in the past (and future?).
Loads of factions are on Space hulks in the lore and BL books etc. They aren’t any more likely just because a game unrelated entirely to KT had those factions in the past.
Not that I ever put stock in Valrak regurgitating things that have been heard, but I do think it’s more likely they’d redo Space Hulk as a boxed game again as opposed to drop them in here..
But again, a lot of people still seem sure gellerpox are likely, but personally I really don’t see that happening in these terrain heavy boxes, where we are getting 10 man vs 10 man boxes.
Gellerpox don’t fit into that.
Squats I think we are maybe more likely than the above, but I don’t know, already two game releases coming for them. And they could easily just drop it all across two releases over 3-4 weeks and have a splash big box etc.
Gellarbox could get a new, 'spiritual successor' box, in the same way the Navy Breachers harken strongly to the Starstriders. The Gellarpox is a pretty specific bit of fluff and it seems unlikely we'd see a bespoke Death Guard kit with how many options Plague Marines have so they might make a good runnerup.
Kanluwen wrote: We have zero reason to think Kasrkin or Leagues are coming in KT. Everyone leapt onto the Kasrkin because of the bases, but the pictures they're in should really disabuse you of that notion.
The bases for everything in the picture were different.
It's not that they're different bases, it's that they're different bases that perfectly duplicate all of the Kill Team bases we've seen. The simplest explanation here is that GW put the models on Kill Team bases because the leak is accurate and they are in fact a Kill Team release.
That, and the fact that the rumor source that called Navy vs Kroot when no one else was anywhere close to assuming those would be the factions has stated Kasrkin will be in a future set against Chaos Beastmen.
I tend to agree with others that we won't see Terminators vs Genestealers in a KT box. Now I do think we see a new Space Hulk boxed game that will have new models for those, and perhaps we'll see a tie in with Kill Team rules in a WD.
Anyway, I'm glad GW is taking this approach. Exploring lesser known factions in the 40k universe in Kill Team is much more interesting than copy pasting over 40k units. It allows the game to stand on its own instead of being "starter 40k".
Also kind of hilarious with how much 40k fans bitch about Space Marines getting all the releases, we have so far had a single SM release for Kill Team in over a year and now people are clamoring for more SM factions.
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That, and the fact that the rumor source that called Navy vs Kroot when no one else was anywhere close to assuming those would be the factions has stated Kasrkin will be in a future set against Chaos Beastmen.
What source was? Where can I read more about it please
Yeah, people keep talking about this "rumour source that called Navy vs Kroot"...
But I've seen nothing beyond Valrak making a snarky comment...and I'd like to point out that the comment literally came the day of the final teaser that literally had the Navy insignia on it.
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