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I may hold off until the kill zone comes out so I can get the terrain + board - not overly worried about the two kill teams, it was more the terrain (including board) I'm after ...
Quoting myself, but ...
Easy decision - Wayland Games were sold-out on their pre-allocation within 2 minutes !
EDIT: OK, that looks like it was a temporary problem on their site, as its back available for preorder by 10:05
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I took all the measurements of the new Gallowdark Space Hulk elements, and also compared them to other 40k scenery kits and Zone Mortalis elements, some more pictures in my review.
Spoiler:
Part 2 with the warbands is up tomorrow.
I am glad to learn the boards are still thick card, at least. Great review!
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So it seems like the terrain has a really tight fit so its not easy to get it apart again with parts even breaking off. (At least after its painted)
Really don't know what to think about that since modularity was a big point for this terrain
I suspect it will just require some additional sanding of parts, like how the push-fit models do to go together easily. But it's a real concern. I am also curious how well the pieces hold together without glue.
I took all the measurements of the new Gallowdark Space Hulk elements, and also compared them to other 40k scenery kits and Zone Mortalis elements, some more pictures in my review.
Spoiler:
Part 2 with the warbands is up tomorrow.
I am glad to learn the boards are still thick card, at least. Great review!
The board has a slightly different size than previous boards to match the measurements of the terrain, it's in my review.
And yes, the elements are a tight fight once you add a coat of paint but I didn't have any breakages (yet).
I watched the sprues and brues video and he was rearranging the bare plastic terrain with no difficulty. It looks like you would need to mask up all the connections when priming, but if you do that, it will work well.
I'm tempted by the newer starter, I've always wanted a few Kroot, the naval guys are not exactly how I'd have designed them, but still pretty cool. A Hulk board sounds handy for a lot of things.
I could also get the German version, that'd allow my nephews to try it and use the amall amount of stuff they have and give me up to date rules - I guess the Krieg vs Kommandos box I bought at a severe discount a couple of months ago is outdated?
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
The kroot are fantastic, though I would have prefered a bit more exotic weaponry. The Navy armsmen however, look for the most part like they are wearing bathrobes. The two with the heavy armour sets look much better and practical.
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Chikout wrote: I watched the sprues and brues video and he was rearranging the bare plastic terrain with no difficulty. It looks like you would need to mask up all the connections when priming, but if you do that, it will work well.
Even the unprimed caps were jamming in GMG's video. Maybe it was manufacturing variability that let Sprues and Brews come apart easier, though I did notice the caps were tight even in his video so maybe once it's painted and you're trying to get it off without also taking off chunks of paint then it'll be fiddlier.
Didn't love the way GMG's video showed the assembled set being rigid enough that it didn't sit flat on his table.
Sanding the bits down a touch is the obvious solution, but it does make it a bit less than convenient. They definitely could have come up with something better IMO.
Preordered IttD and the Annual 2022 from a discounter, got both + shipping for about 170€.
Checking the sprues @ GW, the Navy Breachers seem to come with shotguns only + meltagun, plasmagun and scatter laser thingamajig for the gunner. Would have liked a few of em with boltguns but shotguns will have to do for now. Considering buying them a "decorative" Valkyrie at some point in time, because that'd be a neat "Spec Ops Base of Operations" for them for open air based missions. On second thought, a Devilfish would make a bitchin' Base for the Kroot mercs as well..!
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
tauist wrote: Preordered IttD and the Annual 2022 from a discounter, got both + shipping for about 170€.
Checking the sprues @ GW, the Navy Breachers seem to come with shotguns only + meltagun, plasmagun and scatter laser thingamajig for the gunner. Would have liked a few of em with boltguns but shotguns will have to do for now. Considering buying them a "decorative" Valkyrie at some point in time, because that'd be a neat "Spec Ops Base of Operations" for them for open air based missions. On second thought, a Devilfish would make a bitchin' Base for the Kroot mercs as well..!
I got ItD. £100 posted.
I did contemplate Gellerpox or the Traitor Guard, but ended up just the box..
Chikout wrote: I watched the sprues and brues video and he was rearranging the bare plastic terrain with no difficulty. It looks like you would need to mask up all the connections when priming, but if you do that, it will work well.
Even the unprimed caps were jamming in GMG's video. Maybe it was manufacturing variability that let Sprues and Brews come apart easier, though I did notice the caps were tight even in his video so maybe once it's painted and you're trying to get it off without also taking off chunks of paint then it'll be fiddlier.
Didn't love the way GMG's video showed the assembled set being rigid enough that it didn't sit flat on his table.
Sanding the bits down a touch is the obvious solution, but it does make it a bit less than convenient. They definitely could have come up with something better IMO.
Goonhammer also said the connection are tight and they broke off a tab so it seems like that will be the norm
But terrain isn't made in house so maybe the external factory screwed up some tolerances and they didn't have enough time to remake the molds?
Would be really surprised if that is what they wanted the result to be
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Chikout wrote: I watched the sprues and brues video and he was rearranging the bare plastic terrain with no difficulty. It looks like you would need to mask up all the connections when priming, but if you do that, it will work well.
Even the unprimed caps were jamming in GMG's video. Maybe it was manufacturing variability that let Sprues and Brews come apart easier, though I did notice the caps were tight even in his video so maybe once it's painted and you're trying to get it off without also taking off chunks of paint then it'll be fiddlier.
Didn't love the way GMG's video showed the assembled set being rigid enough that it didn't sit flat on his table.
Sanding the bits down a touch is the obvious solution, but it does make it a bit less than convenient. They definitely could have come up with something better IMO.
Goonhammer also said the connection are tight and they broke off a tab so it seems like that will be the norm
But terrain isn't made in house so maybe the external factory screwed up some tolerances and they didn't have enough time to remake the molds?
Would be really surprised if that is what they wanted the result to be
Yeah maybe, I'm sure there's some change in dimensions from the mould to the final cast part as things set and cool down, so it's probably easy to make a mistake in tolerancing.
I guess a solution for gamers would be just to sand everything down a lot so things fit loosely then magnetise the crap out of it so that it's magnets instead of friction holding it together. GW probably should have done something like that to begin with, just include a bag of magnets with the kit. Otherwise design an interlocking system that doesn't rely on tight fits to hold it together.
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Yeah... pass.
$210 for 2 squads (one of which I don't really care about) and some walls just isn't on my want list.
pass on the starstriders, too. I'd forgotten that they somehow have only 3 basic troopers. They'd work well with a more refined and open version of Necromunda or some kind of Inquisitorial boardgame, or Quest, but there isn't enough here.
Voss wrote: with a more refined and open version of Necromunda or some kind of Inquisitorial boardgame, or Quest, but there isn't enough here.
Actually I think they fare quite well in KT 2.0, team number are limited and you can't spam the "special weapon dude" like in 1.0 anymore. It's a shame they were made during the time GW didn't really invest much money into exclusive team, so they ended up flatten into 2d pose and shoved into a tiny sprue, unlike the team you see nowaday that is on 3 or 2.5 sprues. The Warrant of Trade ability they had seem pretty good.
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
pass on the starstriders, too. I'd forgotten that they somehow have only 3 basic troopers. They'd work well with a more refined and open version of Necromunda or some kind of Inquisitorial boardgame, or Quest, but there isn't enough here.
I have them in red plastic, but want the characters for conversions, so...
Today I have part two of my Into the Dark review, with high-res sprue pics of both Kill Team and a breakdown of all the weapon and assembly options of both kits. Spoiler: Apart from weapon options you can really just change/pose the heads.
