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As a heads up, Kasrkin are limited to 2 per order.

Welp got mine from GW, and a box of Empire outriders to add more mounted cops to my army.

No regrets.

Well hardly any regrets.

 Kanluwen wrote:
As a heads up, Kasrkin are limited to 2 per order.

Out of stock in less than 10 minutes. Yeesh.

GrosseSax wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
As a heads up, Kasrkin are limited to 2 per order.

Out of stock in less than 10 minutes. Yeesh.

Can't say I'm shocked. People have been theoryhammering them as "OMG THE BEST UNIT EVER!!!11!!" since the Guard leaks began. It's why Shadowvault sold out just as quick.

 Kanluwen wrote:

GrosseSax wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
As a heads up, Kasrkin are limited to 2 per order.

Out of stock in less than 10 minutes. Yeesh.

Can't say I'm shocked. People have been theoryhammering them as "OMG THE BEST UNIT EVER!!!11!!" since the Guard leaks began. It's why Shadowvault sold out just as quick.

I don't think anyone buys that, but they are one of the best looking.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I don't think anyone buys that, but they are one of the best looking.

When Shadowvaults was finally announced as being where Kasrkin would be available, the Guard book was basically 100% leaked.

I mean, there's entirely possibly just a coincidence--but it's not like the Hierotek Circle or the Killzone Shadowvaults terrain packs have sold out while Kasrkin were sold out extremely quickly.

Not gonna pretend I was not a part of the problem on this, as I ordered 3 of the dang sets but still. Even the Breachers and Soulshackle have not sold out here in the US, as of my posting!

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

People have wanted Karskin back for close to a decade and the sculpts turned out pretty good. They also released as a new Kill Team, which meant even people who weren't 40k Guard players may have wanted to get them. Turns out Karskin are also extremely powerful on the tabletop so the WAAC bandwagoners wanted them as well. Throw scalpers into that mix with how Into The Dark became pretty limited not long after release.

That's a big combination of factors which lead to a lot of people wanting them.

What a joke. No ebay hits for the soulshackle box, and GW has it no longer available online. Piss on games workshop.

Dread Master wrote:
What a joke. No ebay hits for the soulshackle box, and GW has it no longer available online. Piss on games workshop.

No birb?

Dread Master wrote:
What a joke. No ebay hits for the soulshackle box, and GW has it no longer available online. Piss on games workshop.

Sure there are:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/115703609516

That price though..

I'd love to harass GW with like, a change.org petition just to show them how irate their base is. I hate how hard it is to mobilize. Let defenders sit quietly while the rest of us show just how many or not many there are pissed off.

Don’t want to sound like a “defender” here but you want to send a petition to a company complaining that you can’t buy enough of their product and you are irate because of it. They would love to hear that and I am sure if they could they would sell you more stuff. That’s their sole purpose. Sell you stuff.

Andykp wrote:
Don’t want to sound like a “defender” here but you want to send a petition to a company complaining that you can’t buy enough of their product and you are irate because of it. They would love to hear that and I am sure if they could they would sell you more stuff. That’s their sole purpose. Sell you stuff.

It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.

I’ve pretty much abandoned Kill Team due to the near impossibility of buying the big boxes. Since, for the last year, my hobby spend has consisted of just buying the Warcry and skill Team boxes, I’ve now managed to effectively halve the amount of stuff I buy from GW

 tauist wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
What a joke. No ebay hits for the soulshackle box, and GW has it no longer available online. Piss on games workshop.

Sure there are:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/115703609516

That price though..

It... did sell though, so that's one happy scalper.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 tauist wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
What a joke. No ebay hits for the soulshackle box, and GW has it no longer available online. Piss on games workshop.

Sure there are:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/115703609516

That price though..

It... did sell though, so that's one happy scalper.

The insanity of buying it. 2 £35 kill teams, so are the dice, rulebook and terrain going to cost more than £140 separately? You do wonder how some people can justify paying over the odds rather than waiting a few months.

axotl wrote:
I'd love to harass GW with like, a change.org petition just to show them how irate their base is. I hate how hard it is to mobilize. Let defenders sit quietly while the rest of us show just how many or not many there are pissed off.

The thing is their response will be the same every time:

"It will be available in store next Saturday! Come down to your local GW and you can pick up a copy!"

And it doesn't matter if you don't have a local GW, because what they're saying is technically still correct.

Yep. There's allocations that will be sent to other FLGS's as well. Could be 1 box, could be 4, could be 20, you never know.

The other factor is... well, they'll make more eventually. Could be next week. Could be 3 weeks from now. Could be 3 months from now.

The Killteam vets (Krieg) sold out at the start of December nearly everywhere in the UK, they were back in stock nearly everywhere early January, I think the Kasrkin won't take too long to restock tbh.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.

GW don't want lots of unsold product taking up shelf space. Selling every copy of a new product is a good thing for them as it keeps FOMO high. The next time someone is on the fence about buying something (e.g. when the sold out item is restocked) they are likely to buy it.

For a business like GW it makes better financial sense to make an amount that will nearly always sell out, than make an amount that never will. They will have various internal projections (taking into account profit margin per item, factory capacity, shelf space etc) to help set the production level.

bobthe4th wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


It's pretty obvious that their sole purpose isn't to sell stuff, if I can't buy their stuff.

GW don't want lots of unsold product taking up shelf space. Selling every copy of a new product is a good thing for them as it keeps FOMO high. The next time someone is on the fence about buying something (e.g. when the sold out item is restocked) they are likely to buy it.

For a business like GW it makes better financial sense to make an amount that will nearly always sell out, than make an amount that never will. They will have various internal projections (taking into account profit margin per item, factory capacity, shelf space etc) to help set the production level.

Exactly this. They reprinted Cursed City and there's TONS of those sitting on shelves in local game stores.

A lot of the community demands more, more, more, every time something sells out. New meta hits, Carnifexes sell out, community demands GW stop everything they're doing and print out thousands more carnifexes so they can get their fix NOW.

The only time it's ridiculous is if there's an in-demand product that's sold out for several months in a row with no update, but those sorts of situations are few and far between. You hear about it once in a while for something that's usually a little bit random, but for the most part, if there's a product that sold out fast, GW is indeed motivated to get it back on the shelves quickly to satisfy any lingering customers.

Scalping is indeed an issue, but there's only so much GW can do. Scalpers exist because it keeps working, because people unable to control their impulses or plastic crack addiction gotta have it NOW, instead of just waiting for the next print, especially when it's a mainline product. Obviously if it's something GW is doing away with, that's another topic.

On top of that, so many people that want more, more, more, have big piles of unbuilt, unpainted models for projects that go by the wayside as soon as the new thing is out. Go work on all that stuff, and if the box that sold out was truly the one thing you were waiting on to continue hobbying, then I'd actually feel bad for you. I'm guessing that's not too common if the stereotypes of this community continue to be reinforced, though.

Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?

If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

GrosseSax wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
As a heads up, Kasrkin are limited to 2 per order.

Out of stock in less than 10 minutes. Yeesh.

Can't say I'm shocked. People have been theoryhammering them as "OMG THE BEST UNIT EVER!!!11!!" since the Guard leaks began. It's why Shadowvault sold out just as quick.

I don't think anyone buys that, but they are one of the best looking.

Have you checked 40k rules? Easily 2 dozen mw's in a turn from 1 squad. Damage output is obscene. 2 squads is bare minimum you see in army.


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Andykp wrote:
Don’t want to sound like a “defender” here but you want to send a petition to a company complaining that you can’t buy enough of their product and you are irate because of it. They would love to hear that and I am sure if they could they would sell you more stuff. That’s their sole purpose. Sell you stuff.

Thev want most to buy without discount.

I mostly agree with you but I think you are being a tad too generous to GW. Yes, what they are doing absolutely makes sense from the point of view of stock control, and scalpers will always exacerbate any limitation on a desired product, but I don’t believe for a second that GW aren’t also intentionally stoking up FOMO for some products because it enables them to jack up the prices.
“Didn’t press go on that ludicrously overpriced starter? Well now it’s gone and we may or may not ever bring it back, so next time just hand over the cash as soon as we dangle something shiny.”
Is that a shrewd business move? Absolutely. Is it also seedily exploitative? Also yes.

Doesn't matter to them who buys discount box,

What does matter is how manv buys discounted and how many full priice. And they control how many discount box is available.

 Dysartes wrote:
Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?

If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.

That model is probably not feasible for all products, because afaik they still source cardstock stuff from exterior producers, so boxe like Cursed City that contain a lot of Cardboard need that decision to be made very early in the overall production process. Of course you could have preorders months before the actual production run and still do it like that, but that does not gell well with GW's general marketing approach of a new hype every month.

 Dysartes wrote:
Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?

If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.

They'd need to take preorders a month or more in advance since they need to produce the models, procure the boxes and tokens and books and get it all shipped out to stores in advance.

I think they did that with the 2nd printing of Cursed City, but again with a month or more lead time.


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Well it's sold out on GW and I see one copy on ebay for $300, so I guess I made the right move.

I've always been happy to wait for a guaranteed pre-order. I did that with the Steel Legion when they were going OOP, no regrets there.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?

If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.

That model is probably not feasible for all products, because afaik they still source cardstock stuff from exterior producers, so boxe like Cursed City that contain a lot of Cardboard need that decision to be made very early in the overall production process. Of course you could have preorders months before the actual production run and still do it like that, but that does not gell well with GW's general marketing approach of a new hype every month.

I do have to wonder why GW wants to invest more into their painting products, but still leave the paper & cardstock business at the hands of 3rd parties. Surely, investing into their own paper & cardstock production would be a better move? Because then they'd be totally self sufficient when it comes to boxes like Cursed City.

It's illogical IMO. While you can paint your GW minis with any paints available on the market (ie not having to rely on GW paint production capacity), you can only buy the actual games from them, which are impossible to produce without 3rd party cardstock. To me peabrain, that reads as a FAIL

 tauist wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Didn't the practice they were doing at one stage, where they'd guarantee to produce enough copies to satisfy pre-orders as long as the pre-order was made before X date, mess with scalpers and benefit the community, though?

If GW can't forecast demand well enough to ensure there's sufficient stock not to sell out within the first hour of pre-orders going up, they should go back to that pre-order model.

That model is probably not feasible for all products, because afaik they still source cardstock stuff from exterior producers, so boxe like Cursed City that contain a lot of Cardboard need that decision to be made very early in the overall production process. Of course you could have preorders months before the actual production run and still do it like that, but that does not gell well with GW's general marketing approach of a new hype every month.

I do have to wonder why GW wants to invest more into their painting products, but still leave the paper & cardstock business at the hands of 3rd parties. Surely, investing into their own paper & cardstock production would be a better move? Because then they'd be totally self sufficient when it comes to boxes like Cursed City.

It's illogical IMO. While you can paint your GW minis with any paints available on the market (ie not having to rely on GW paint production capacity), you can only buy the actual games from them, which are impossible to produce without 3rd party cardstock. To me peabrain, that reads as a FAIL

Yeah, i've been saying that for some time, integrating the cardboard side of buisness into their main facilities would make sense, and probably be a sound future-proofing investment. That being said, paper / cardboard supply chains still are in shambles to a ridiculous degree due to the whole Covid thing, and at the moment it might very well be impossible to even start such an undertaking.