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Togusa wrote:
I am interested in this army. But I am not interested in the set as it currently sits. Any idea how long it will be before the full kits come to market? Are any of these sculpts locked behind this paywall, or are we expecting them all to get a release?

November probably since that's when the supplement by itself is released.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
This image really makes this army set look sad and tiny.

And it'll still sell out in seconds by virtue of being a Marine release.

Or just a FOMO release.

But it definitely looks anemic.
I've never been a particular fan of that particular art piece, but I suppose its better than the weirdly proportioned new cover art.

And I see that Black Templars are getting 'Vows and Passions' on top of the usual marine layers of nonsense. Are we at the (new paradigm +1) stage of codex creep already?

Templars dont do any of the psychic powers, so vows and passions may be something that the emperors champ/ other characters can do to take their place.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of 'no psychic powers, so here's things that are specifically NotPsychicPowers but functionally the same sort of effects.'
At some point Romeo just has to admit he's playing word games about roses.
Not a fan with Sisters, AoS Blood Blooders, Necrons, or anything else, especially when they dodge psychic defenses and downsides (like Perils), but aren't affected by anything in turn.

The word "sparse" doesn't begin to cover this release. There were Battleforces back in the day that had more stuff in them for less money. This is one model more than your average Start Collecting! box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The worse "sparse" doesn't begin to cover this release. There were Battleforces back in the day that had more stuff in them for less money. This is one model more than your average Start Collecting! box.

I think this is what we can expect going forward given the new "Anti-scalper/MTO" model they've promised.

The old days of dual boxes that promised ~50% discounts will be over, instead, it'll be setups like this where you're essentially paying the full price, but you get the LE codex and a few months jump on the general release for the enticement. Maybe, if we're lucky, this kind of box will hit the $170 price point offering a bit of a savings.

Will be interesting to see how they handle the rumored Custodes/Genestealer Cults box. Do they keep the old value and just let the sales run for a weekend? Or are those boxes exempted from the new policy by using some new terminology? E.g. the way they coined "Launch Box" for Indomitus and acted like it wasn't a breach of a decade of expectations

Still umming and ahhing over whether to purchase this. There's just so much on the horizon and starting a SM army from scratch is pretty pricey. So very tempted though.

The Custodes/GSC box is a Battlebox, per The Rumor--which would likely mean they will not have it as part of a MTO.

The Sisters v Tau box is a launch box and would likely get a MTO.


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 Marshal Loss wrote:
Still umming and ahhing over whether to purchase this. There's just so much on the horizon and starting a SM army from scratch is pretty pricey. So very tempted though.

No stake in it, but if you want it...I'd say go for it. You seem to really like BT so why not go whole hog?

If they do Cadians this way, I'm going in.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The worse "sparse" doesn't begin to cover this release. There were Battleforces back in the day that had more stuff in them for less money. This is one model more than your average Start Collecting! box.

It's not meant to be a start collecting. It's meant to bundle some models and the new codex together, before the main release, at a small discount over selling them all individually. It's not even new, I have the SM Army box from 4th and the Spearhead from 5th personally.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
It's not meant to be a start collecting.

I never said it was.

I made the comparison in that its content is similar to Start Collecting! boxes, which are generally 1 character, 1 squad and 1 "something else", and that this was just that +1 model.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Togusa wrote:
I am interested in this army. But I am not interested in the set as it currently sits. Any idea how long it will be before the full kits come to market? Are any of these sculpts locked behind this paywall, or are we expecting them all to get a release?

November probably since that's when the supplement by itself is released.

That's not too bad, gives me time to get other projects going (and maybe finished!)


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The worse "sparse" doesn't begin to cover this release. There were Battleforces back in the day that had more stuff in them for less money. This is one model more than your average Start Collecting! box.

Its like when my parents tell me a hotdog was 15 cents. What was, is no longer. As for the content of the box, I'm not going to get it. Ill wait for the individual release.

Togusa wrote:
Its like when my parents tell me a hotdog was 15 cents.

It's not like that at all.

I mean, they still sell Start Collecting! boxes, with that level of content*, for a cheaper price.



*Sans book and cards.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Togusa wrote:
Its like when my parents tell me a hotdog was 15 cents.

It's not like that at all.

I mean, they still sell Start Collecting! boxes, with that level of content*, for a cheaper price.



*Sans book and cards.

Do we actually know the price?

Do you expect that it won't be the same as the Sisters, Lumineth and Beastsnagga ones?

If it's less, to reflect the terrible contents, then ok great, but I doubt it.

Look, its not a bad set, it's just weird calling it an "army". At least they put a decent unit in there (redemptor) rather than a dud. The fact it has 2 characters in there automatically bumps the cost (like the sad Deathwatch Combat Patrol), but if its $199 you're getting the codex supplement ($30), redemptor ($60), and infantry squad ($60), so paying $49 for 2 characters and overpriced cards. Not great, but not terrible either.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do you expect that it won't be the same as the Sisters, Lumineth and Beastsnagga ones?

If it's less, to reflect the terrible contents, then ok great, but I doubt it.

I don't really expect anything, I was just asking, as your post implied that the price was known, and I though I might have missed it being announced.


Anyway, it basically start collecting + codex, so I guess it makes sense for it to cost at least a bit more than mere start collecting box. Also, I don't really remember how much the boxes you mention costed (though I go the Sisters one.)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Togusa wrote:
Its like when my parents tell me a hotdog was 15 cents.

It's not like that at all.

I mean, they still sell Start Collecting! boxes, with that level of content*, for a cheaper price.



*Sans book and cards.

Were talking about the ones from like 2005-2009 right? From a time when the dollar was much stronger, and the models were 1\4 the quality that they are today? I mean just vote with your wallet, that's what I will do.

Some more sprue pictures, this time of the Crusaders:



Final confirmation (if there were any doubters at this point) of the dedicated Sword Brethren box, as there is no power maul or plasma pistol that I can see in the Crusader kit. Great selection of bits and weapons on offer.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Still umming and ahhing over whether to purchase this. There's just so much on the horizon and starting a SM army from scratch is pretty pricey. So very tempted though.

No stake in it, but if you want it...I'd say go for it. You seem to really like BT so why not go whole hog?

If they do Cadians this way, I'm going in.

There's just so much on the horizon that I'm also interested in: CSM + Eldar + the 30k box + Chaos Knights all almost certainly next year, World Eaters at some point...I'm trying to be fiscally responsible here.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Some more sprue pictures, this time of the Crusaders:

Spoiler:

Final confirmation (if there were any doubters at this point) of the dedicated Sword Brethren box, as there is no power maul or plasma pistol that I can see in the Crusader kit. Great selection of bits and weapons on offer.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Still umming and ahhing over whether to purchase this. There's just so much on the horizon and starting a SM army from scratch is pretty pricey. So very tempted though.

No stake in it, but if you want it...I'd say go for it. You seem to really like BT so why not go whole hog?

If they do Cadians this way, I'm going in.

There's just so much on the horizon that I'm also interested in: CSM + Eldar + the 30k box + Chaos Knights all almost certainly next year, World Eaters at some point...I'm trying to be fiscally responsible here.

Give in! Let the cash flow out of your wallet. I'm interested in the CSM stuff too, bought into that in 2019.

So that's the real Crusader kit?

Are there enough bolters/BP&CS for the kit?

Delete

You're both terrible influences.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So that's the real Crusader kit?

Are there enough bolters/BP&CS for the kit?

Yes it is, and yes there are - the Crusader kit will be these sprues doubled, so four in total. Every initiate and neophyte has their choice of weapons, the SB is optional and comes with numerous options (looks like you get four power weapons and two fists in the kit), as well as the two pyreblasters, etc.

It's a lot better than I was expecting.

 bullyboy wrote:
Look, its not a bad set, it's just weird calling it an "army". At least they put a decent unit in there (redemptor) rather than a dud.

Yeah but that's not a very Black Templars-esque unit now is it?

Supplement. Not codex.

In theory, it being a Supplement and not a Codex might shave a few bucks off the price tag, but on the other hand it's an extremely hyped up loyalist Marine release so GW might just decide to keep it at 'codex army box' prices anyway, knowing it will sell like hotcakes regardelss.

 godswildcard wrote:
Yeah, if that’s $200 I’ll certainly wait.


13 minis and a codex is by no means worth $200, even by GW logic.

Wait for what? Solo releases so you get to pay more for same?

tneva82 wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
Yeah, if that’s $200 I’ll certainly wait.


13 minis and a codex is by no means worth $200, even by GW logic.

Wait for what? Solo releases so you get to pay more for same?

Recasts and Codex up on Wahapedia, presumably.

I think what this stark box is really going to show is how high GW prices have got. For me, I'd say that's about £50 worth of value there, and that's pushing it. What's the betting this'll be for £160-£180.

tneva82 wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
Yeah, if that’s $200 I’ll certainly wait.


13 minis and a codex is by no means worth $200, even by GW logic.

Wait for what? Solo releases so you get to pay more for same?

Solo relased so he doesn't have to buy the Redemptor and the Codex supplement, presumably.

 zedmeister wrote:
I think what this stark box is really going to show is how high GW prices have got. For me, I'd say that's about £50 worth of value there, and that's pushing it. What's the betting this'll be for £160-£180.

If the box sells out, which I think we can say it inevitability will, then we know your value is off.

Vorian wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I think what this stark box is really going to show is how high GW prices have got. For me, I'd say that's about £50 worth of value there, and that's pushing it. What's the betting this'll be for £160-£180.

If the box sells out, which I think we can say it inevitability will, then we know your value is off.

Oh it'll sell, no doubt. I stand by my perception of value (hence my use of "For me"). We know the price is going to be eye watering.