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This is a completely pointless roadmap

Abaddon303 wrote:
Eagle-eyed heretics may note how the article explicitly says 'codexes':

"Eagle-eyed heretics** may note the lack of codexes for the Traitor Legions."

Does that mean WE and EC getting their own codexes? I'm inclined to think more likely supplements to a main CSM dex

Why would WE and EC be supplements when TS and DG have codexes?

 ImAGeek wrote:

Abaddon303 wrote:
Eagle-eyed heretics may note how the article explicitly says 'codexes':

"Eagle-eyed heretics** may note the lack of codexes for the Traitor Legions."

Does that mean WE and EC getting their own codexes? I'm inclined to think more likely supplements to a main CSM dex

Why would WE and EC be supplements when TS and DG have codexes?

Because full codexes would imply a much larger model release than supplements that can use the existing CSM units and rules while just adding a few unique units for flavour

So, path of least resistance

Edit: woops, double post

I'd hope its either Genestealers, Tyranids or Tau in that Xenos slot - all are fairly well rounded armies that don't need a big release of models. A few additions or updates are all that's really needed.


Eldar or Tau Auxiliaries (which I hope becomes a thing) are either big line updates or totally new additions for the most part . So I'd rather see them in their own big slot to get a nice meaty release.

a_typical_hero wrote:
I mean we did have the rumour of World Eaters getting their own Codex a few days ago by the same guy who apparently teased all models of the upcoming BT release as well.

Let's see how much of the BT rumours are true.

Link to this rumor/source? I must've missed it.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Link to this rumor/source? I must've missed it.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/08/rumors-chaos-space-marines.html

The guy going by the name "Chapter Master Valrak" is mostly active on the Bolter & Chainsword forum and seems to be in the know for BT.

Imperial Guard and Tyranids.

Kreigs will probably see an individual release around December and will likely have updated rules for 9th edition.

Both KT and 40K are covering Octarius in which Tyranids play a big part of, and is now underway.

Tyranids makes sense as they are in the current 40K campaign system right now. And they basically don't need any big new models or anything - a few would be nice to update to plastic, but otherwise GW can push them out even with just a book if need be

 Overread wrote:
Tyranids makes sense as they are in the current 40K campaign system right now. And they basically don't need any big new models or anything - a few would be nice to update to plastic, but otherwise GW can push them out even with just a book if need be

They haven't had a miniature release in almost a decade, so take that back.

 Overread wrote:
I'd hope its either Genestealers, Tyranids or Tau in that Xenos slot - all are fairly well rounded armies that don't need a big release of models. A few additions or updates are all that's really needed.


Eldar or Tau Auxiliaries (which I hope becomes a thing) are either big line updates or totally new additions for the most part . So I'd rather see them in their own big slot to get a nice meaty release.

T'au are not remotely well rounded. They are okay in only one phase, and are perhaps the worst army in the game rn. What T'au seriously need is a big updated to their auxiliaries to round out all the holes in their army - psychic auxiliaries, durable melee auxiliaries etc. And by God, do not make them a separate army.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Tyranids makes sense as they are in the current 40K campaign system right now. And they basically don't need any big new models or anything - a few would be nice to update to plastic, but otherwise GW can push them out even with just a book if need be

They haven't had a miniature release in almost a decade, so take that back.

But most of their current models are darn good already - they got some huge releases.

I agree I'm right there with you wanting plastic lictors and biovore/pyrovores. I want t osee new gaunts if JUST so they don't have split heads to assemble
However otherwise most of the kits are great. It's not so much they need new things just refinement - eg a new carnifex with a bit less wear on the mould and spore towers with more detailing .


I just see Tyranids as being in a really good spot - certainly compared to many other forces. They don't need a Necron or SoB sized update

Abaddon303 wrote:
Eagle-eyed heretics may note how the article explicitly says 'codexes':

"Eagle-eyed heretics** may note the lack of codexes for the Traitor Legions."

Does that mean WE and EC getting their own codexes? I'm inclined to think more likely supplements to a main CSM dex

If GW are intending to update either WE or EC into a full fledged faction then the main CSM book is a problem for them. If that codex is out first they have to print rules that get invalidated within a few months and everyone complains they got ripped off. Or they have to leave both factions out of the book, letting the cat out of the bag if a large range release a long time away.

I'm starting to think there's a real possibility that WE / EC both get the upgrade treatment at the same time in 2022, rather than leaving one stuck behind in the CSM book. A boxed set with new core models for both factions would make a lot of sense thematically, and can be followed up with codexes & the rest of their model ranges later. In between they can put out an updated CSM codex by itself without worrying about it being tied to either faction.

I think it will be interesting to see what is in the 'launch box' for black templars. This might give an indication of what they could do with EC or WE.
As you say, including core models for the factions, perhaps a new model for Lucius along with noise marines. Only thing is Kharn is a newish sculpt but perhaps something else alongside berzerkers?

 Ghaz wrote:
To me this roadmap means that GW is feeling confident enough with their supply lines to give us an idea of what's going to be coming out at the end of the year, even if it is just a vague hint.

You're reading too much into it. They gave us a solid release schedule for ate '20/early '21 as well. Remember how that turned out?

ccs wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
To me this roadmap means that GW is feeling confident enough with their supply lines to give us an idea of what's going to be coming out at the end of the year, even if it is just a vague hint.

You're reading too much into it. They gave us a solid release schedule for ate '20/early '21 as well. Remember how that turned out?

Yeah GW should really have a working crystal ball to predict future global logistics crises. What a gak company

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Link to this rumor/source? I must've missed it.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/08/rumors-chaos-space-marines.html

The guy going by the name "Chapter Master Valrak" is mostly active on the Bolter & Chainsword forum and seems to be in the know for BT.

Thank you. It's interesting, it feels like the rumor mill over here on dakka has gone pretty quiet outside of the official channels but it still seems to be active on B&C. There's a lot of chaff to get through over there but it feels like there are some credible rumors too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Tyranids makes sense as they are in the current 40K campaign system right now. And they basically don't need any big new models or anything - a few would be nice to update to plastic, but otherwise GW can push them out even with just a book if need be

They haven't had a miniature release in almost a decade, so take that back.

Other than replacing finecrap they don't need anything modelwise.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Link to this rumor/source? I must've missed it.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/08/rumors-chaos-space-marines.html

The guy going by the name "Chapter Master Valrak" is mostly active on the Bolter & Chainsword forum and seems to be in the know for BT.

Thank you. It's interesting, it feels like the rumor mill over here on dakka has gone pretty quiet outside of the official channels but it still seems to be active on B&C. There's a lot of chaff to get through over there but it feels like there are some credible rumors too.

the rumor mill is active here too, it just gets a little lost and you have to wade through the same people having the same arguments over and over and over...

There's a hefty rumour dump on B&C from someone who predicted the krieg kill team quite far out

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Link to this rumor/source? I must've missed it.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/08/rumors-chaos-space-marines.html

The guy going by the name "Chapter Master Valrak" is mostly active on the Bolter & Chainsword forum and seems to be in the know for BT.

Thank you. It's interesting, it feels like the rumor mill over here on dakka has gone pretty quiet outside of the official channels but it still seems to be active on B&C. There's a lot of chaff to get through over there but it feels like there are some credible rumors too.

In terms of rumours you should look at these two posts, they are both by the same person and he also correctly called the Octarius Kill Team boxset back in November 2020
Of course still just rumours so take it with a grain of salt

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371275-rumour-2021-orks-black-templars-custodes-gsc/

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371274-rumour-2022-tau-csm-kits-chaos-knights-eldar-more/

ccs wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
To me this roadmap means that GW is feeling confident enough with their supply lines to give us an idea of what's going to be coming out at the end of the year, even if it is just a vague hint.

You're reading too much into it. They gave us a solid release schedule for ate '20/early '21 as well. Remember how that turned out?

Yes and I imagine GW does as well. So if GW is willing to release a codex roadmap despite what happened to the late 2020/early 2021 roadmap and all the flak they received for the missed dates, then they must feel confident enough that they will be able to deliver this time around.

 zend wrote:
So if CSM/Daemons are next year, that means 2023 is going to be a huge loyalist Marine push with new supplements or they’re jumping right into 10th edition. Either way the cycle of Chaos having the worst books will begin anew.

2023 is when 10th was expected anyway


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 bullyboy wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Nobody does disappointment better than GW, would have been better not teasing a roadmap at all.

So, how many months is that now between 2W marines and 2W chaos marines? If it released in January...16 months? At the earliest. That's really, really poor.

So no info better than info?

OK, so basically here is GW idea of info (that you seem happy about?)

This year is 2021.
Beginning January 1st, we start the year 2022. Now I'm excited.
It's info....but not exactly something we didn't already know was coming.

Ah so you knew already there was exactly 4 codex left to be released in 2021 after gk/ts ?

And ts would be last chaos codex this year?

Just because you can't read info out of article doesn't mean everybody is equally bad at it.

 Matrindur wrote:


In terms of rumours you should look at these two posts, they are both by the same person and he also correctly called the Octarius Kill Team boxset back in November 2020
Of course still just rumours so take it with a grain of salt

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371275-rumour-2021-orks-black-templars-custodes-gsc/

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371274-rumour-2022-tau-csm-kits-chaos-knights-eldar-more/

Astra Militarum with veteran-style Cadians. Two new regiments are also in the works. New Kasrkin and new vehicle, designed to fit between the Leman Russ and the Baneblade.

....I will not hope...

Even if there were not any codexes for me in the roadmap, I'm not too disappointed. I've enjoyed almost back to back releases this year (more like every other but anyway).
Too bad 2 of codexes are about to be released, 1 is waiting for nonlimited release. Last 3 may give some excitement but they are at the end of year.

The wording used when Traitor Legions were mentioned got my hopes though, probably to let me down on later.

 Overread wrote:
Tyranids makes sense as they are in the current 40K campaign system right now. And they basically don't need any big new models or anything - a few would be nice to update to plastic, but otherwise GW can push them out even with just a book if need be

Given their previous presence in Kill Team, I'd say the Lictor / Deathleaper is a strong candidate for a release before december...

Definitely interesting statement about Traitor Legions. Is it just flowery language for Codex Chaos Space Marines? A hint that Emperor’s Children and World Eaters are getting codexes? Or that there will be Traitor Legion supplements along with the Codex?

Well, I'd like the Traitor Guard and additional IG regiments thing to pan out for sure.

 alextroy wrote:
Definitely interesting statement about Traitor Legions. Is it just flowery language for Codex Chaos Space Marines? A hint that Emperor’s Children and World Eaters are getting codexes? Or that there will be Traitor Legion supplements along with the Codex?

Probably just the Chaos Marine codex, since they badly need their obligatory 'RAW says 2-wounds' since GW refuse to just Errata it.

I also noticed Squats were in there. Haha.

However, it was stated that this rumour monger was 100% correct with DKoK and not in a vague way and months before release. So, who knows.