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Daedalus81 wrote: The combination of attrition and leadership mods is unseen so far in 9th and is potentially good. The -1 tipping a unit closer to auto-fail morale and then if you take them under half you're losing half that remaining unit.
So a lot of your lists take the traits/abilities that cause -1Ld to the enemy, do they?
Daedalus81 wrote: The combination of attrition and leadership mods is unseen so far in 9th and is potentially good. The -1 tipping a unit closer to auto-fail morale and then if you take them under half you're losing half that remaining unit.
So a lot of your lists take the traits/abilities that cause -1Ld to the enemy, do they?
I don't have access to one that does -1LD and +1 attrition. If I did I would try to work it in. The only -1LD available to me also has -1A, but it is Cult locked so unless I want to build around that Cult I have no choice. I otherwise fully intend to exploit the -1LD from spawn when possible.
Thirding/Fourthing the call for reposting - aside from not wanting to give 4chan my webtraffic I'm also workblocked from seeing it.
Arbitrator wrote: The rumours strongly pointing to GSC in December make me think this is another 'get you buy' book rather than Day 1 DLC. Not that one is an improvement over the other of course.
They could certainly bring squats back as an independent faction - the short text from PA referencing them made them seem like not imperium aligned after their disappearance. As you say the hype of "The Return of the Squats" would be perfect marketing so I see them back as Squats [renamed officially ] rather than demiurg. Could bring them back as a Killteam first as a taster/tester the way Krieg where brought out.
GSC where also dismissed as never coming back -they looked out of place/ridiculous with their limos and I remember Phil Kelly I think. saying ages before he didn't see them as a tabletop force more as an infiltrating one. Then that changed so they could do the same for squats, reworked with an intiial release and a follow up if they sell. AoS has shown they can do very interesting things with the dwarf type and their dwarf sculpts are fantastic now, less comical than before - the Gotrek model is wonderful. Plus todays rumour engine looks to have dwarf proportions on the arm/hand and is 40k in nature, thats 3 rumour engines looking dwarf/squat like which to me is heavily suggestive of at least a Killteam.
A few years ago I'd have agreed, but it now feels like GW want to slot each of the factions into the Imperium/Chaos/Xenos category, even if the latter can't align. Their website and webstore designs certainly err on having three compact categories, whereas before it was a lot more 'yeah these are just armies and some of them happen to be on the same team'.
My guess is that Squats will have the <Imperial> keyword, but with a lore stipulation that they're still pretty independent and some groups still get into slugging matches with local Imperial systems if relations get too strained, probably with a sub-faction who're more independent/aggressive.
It would be interesting if they made them <Xenos> but with a brood brothers type rule that lets them work with Imperium & Tau. Would be an interesting way of backdooring Gue'la auxiliaries into Tau armies and helping level out the soup possibilities of the xenos factions relative to Imperium/Chaos.
While I could choose to be upset about the Nids being a "stop-gap", I will instead use it to try and see the future of what they want Nids to do. Personally, I love the idea of using a "Synaptic Map" to be able to both spread out AND gain character buffs wherever and whenever you need them. That's pretty cool and fluffy!
Like, consider the Neurothrope one. If it's able to give that ability to ANY unit in synapse range, then the Neurothrope can sit far in the back, and give that buff to the Broodlord, who is giving his buff to some Genestealers. So you can apply the Neurothrope's ability right into your opponent's lines, even without it actually being there.
It makes these abilities less "unit within 6 inches of this guy" and "unit within 6 inches of ANY of your guys", which - if there's more of these (like if this is a test for what they want their codex to do) is really cool
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When was this posted? Because it's highly suspect that it comes after we got those extremely detailed bits from B&C...and 4chan has had a habit of people doing that kind of stuff.
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When was this posted? Because it's highly suspect that it comes after we got those extremely detailed bits from B&C...and 4chan has had a habit of people doing that kind of stuff.
It is after but they talk about stock levels for some items and a couple of bits do contradict the other rumours slightly. I've got free time in an hour to go through and collate it.
That was painful, nothing that wild for 40K. Almost makes me wonder how much of it is to just launder a Titanicus is squated troll rumour...but anyway
Next codices are IG and Tyranids (which seems a fairly obvious guess)
Adeptus Titanicus is winding down in 2022 with no new releases after that. AI as well.
Tau get the new years day reveal slot and are in Jan (as the other rumours said)
Eldar have been delayed due to some modelling issues, but 2-3 aspects with the codex and others with Kill Team.
New Harlquin unit via Kill Team (was there a rumour of them being reincorporated into the Craftworld box? That's false apparently)
CSM and Daemons by Summer 2022
Heresy box in Nov
Space Hulk is back next year with a 'twist' on the genestealer side.
AoS Chaos Dwarfs 2022
LOTR license is til 2026
'Air' range paints to move to dropper bottles next year.
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That sounds like a lot of guesswork and made up gak, also at odds with the B&C rumors which come from someone with a proven track record (next codexes are Custodes and Genestealer Cults).
Heresy box is supposedly October timeframe, as September is Ork release and November is BT (already confirmed by WarCom).
Mega-doubt AT "winds down" with no new releases, its been one of GWs best selling product ranges and has better ROI factor than 40k/AoS owing to the entire player base using the same set of minis. Theres still at least 2-3 rumored titan classes to release, and GW hasn't even started to release traitor/corrupted titans yet which we already know are coming. Theres at least enough content in the pipeline to keep GW going on AT for another 2-3 years at the rate they have been releasing product for the game. AI on the other hand might be believable, there have been rumors for a while that it hasn't sold well and that the next wave of content will be the last (though the sources for those rumors are highly suspect dakkites with a well-establsihed dislike for the game and apparent chips on their shoulder over it).
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Tastyfish wrote: That was painful, nothing that wild for 40K. Almost makes me wonder how much of it is to just launder a Titanicus is squated troll rumour...but anyway
Next codices are IG and Tyranids (which seems a fairly obvious guess)
Adeptus Titanicus is winding down in 2022 with no new releases after that. AI as well.
Tau get the new years day reveal slot and are in Jan (as the other rumours said)
Eldar have been delayed due to some modelling issues, but 2-3 aspects with the codex and others with Kill Team.
New Harlquin unit via Kill Team (was there a rumour of them being reincorporated into the Craftworld box? That's false apparently)
CSM and Daemons by Summer 2022
Heresy box in Nov
Space Hulk is back next year with a 'twist' on the genestealer side.
AoS Chaos Dwarfs 2022
LOTR license is til 2026
'Air' range paints to move to dropper bottles next year.
Here's a full dump, it's a bit all over the place in terms of ordering.
Spoiler:
Generic anonymous poster on TG who has had a long happy career and doesn't want to rock the boat by influencing decisions.
Nids and guard this year
Tau over new year with a couple of models. Tau and sisters kill team box.
Eldar meant to be earlier but there was a manufacturing issue. Recent rumour engine is the avatar, half the aspects with the codex the rest via killteam over time. Codex is put for production now.
Harlequins not merging with craftworlds and are getting a new unit via killteam.
Killteam presales look very strong.
Necromunda is doing well.
Heresy release in Nov.
A few new models for the guard but mostly regiment conversion/accessory packs.
LotR renewed to 2026
WE/EC both in development
No sign of a loyalist primarch
GSC lowest selling 40k army by a good margin, deepkin for sigmar but its very close
New space hulk in summer, chapter agnostic terminators and a "twist for the tyranids"
Cursed City cost £60 each time it was sold, expansions placed on back-burner, draw a line under it and focused on 3.0.
Artificer brushes are Winsor & Newton,
Dropper bottles next year for air range
Squat kill team box next year
JP, NZ and AU markets to get a price adjustment *down* towards EU levels after the high entry barrier stunting growth.
No sign of BFG, titanicus to get a final wave next year and die, AI has stopped. Intent was to combine them but the profits weren't there.
No chance of truescale first born
Moving away from mobile trash games and wanting more AAA licenses. Dawn of War back on the cards with a relic/creative assembly team up.
Sigmar: more stormcast to come, no idea on release orders, chaos dwarves in 2022, reworked slaves to darkness under new name, overlords and fyreslayer joint release, bonereaper wave. Dominion is looking to be sold out soon, down to 10-15% total stock. Don't see it as a failure as they were either criticised for not making enough or going to face dead game claims regardless.
Warcry has supplanted mordheim but there could be themed expansions
Sisters of silence to get something with the next custodes book.
GW aware of the 4chan and TG community but consider it a cesspit so pay it little attention.
Media creators are well paid for the animations.
A lot of art is still analogue, moving over slowly.
Finecast to be gone by 2030.
Not worried about the aggressive boycott movement or 3d printers. They estimate 5% of their market have access to 3d printers at most but there is talk for partnering with some sites for licensed 3d printed accessories.
Honestly, probably made up, but there's enough weird specifics in there like stock rates and brush manufacturers that make it seem a bit more legit.
Honestly, probably made up, but there's enough weird specifics in there like stock rates and brush manufacturers that make it seem a bit more legit.
Eldar part matches the ones from earlier stating shining spears, warp spiders and swooping hawks are getting plastic. 4chan guy said 2-3 aspect warriors are coming with codex
GSC lowest selling 40k army by a good margin, deepkin for sigmar but its very close
This alone shoots these rumors in the head.
Deepkin were constantly sold out. The army itself might not be well represented, but the models? Those have shown up everyfriggingwhere.
Honestly I'm not sure, I wouldn't have predicted them at the bottom of the barrel that's for sure but they've got an old book and limited range, so I can see them taking a dip in popularity as they get older. Still I imagine skaven, or beastmen would be lower from what I've seen.
GSC lowest selling 40k army by a good margin, deepkin for sigmar but its very close
This alone shoots these rumors in the head.
Deepkin were constantly sold out. The army itself might not be well represented, but the models? Those have shown up everyfriggingwhere.
I see the big ones painted up, but rarely see troops. It also could be that we go to different stores and different areas have different sales......Crazy I know
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Well, I guess we'll know for sure one way or another when we find out what releases in December, its either Guard & Tyranids or Custodes/Talons of the Emperor & Genestealer Cults. We might know sooner depending on the timing of the October/November Horus Heresy box, but thats the kind of thing where "it was moved up/delayed a week because of logistics issues" can make a difference.
The "we took a 60GBP hit per copy of Cursed City sold" bit sounds like a huuuuuuuuge load of bs. It would not and could not cost GW 185+ GBP per copy to produce, manufacture, and deliver that product. If the printed components and overseas shipping situation were the huge issues that they were rumored to be, then Dominion and the Kill Team box would have been similarly impacted (as the price for container shipping has only continued to climb since Cursed City released).
Only reason I would hope that this guys rumors might be true is because of his commentary about how irrelevant the boycott movement is and telling the anti-wokehammer crusaders to grow the feth up lol. I'd also hope for the sake of my friends in the community in NZ, AU, and JP that the rumored price reductions are true - but I would be very surprised if that happened.
Also found the part about analogue art to be questionable, I've seen a lot of GWs artists and freelancers portfolios over the last few years, the vast majority (if not all of it) was done digitally.
GSC lowest selling 40k army by a good margin, deepkin for sigmar but its very close
This alone shoots these rumors in the head.
Deepkin were constantly sold out. The army itself might not be well represented, but the models? Those have shown up everyfriggingwhere.
Honestly I'm not sure, I wouldn't have predicted them at the bottom of the barrel that's for sure but they've got an old book and limited range, so I can see them taking a dip in popularity as they get older. Still I imagine skaven, or beastmen would be lower from what I've seen.
Deepkin also got a Holiday battleforce some time back, supposedly (according to those in the know and a q&a done at warhammerfest or whatever a few years ago), the factions that get holiday battleforces are the ones which sold best during the prior year, so that would imply that at some point at least Deepkin were a bestseller. That being said, just because they sold well in year 1 doesn't mean they are selling well in year 4.
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
GSC lowest selling 40k army by a good margin, deepkin for sigmar but its very close
This alone shoots these rumors in the head.
Deepkin were constantly sold out. The army itself might not be well represented, but the models? Those have shown up everyfriggingwhere.
Depends on how they evaluate the numbers. If everyone is just running eels then eels are the only thing that is selling and you only need a set amount for a an army. Up until the Broken Realm/3.0 books this was very much a mono-build army in the competitive scene. These could also just be numbers from this quarter/this year so before that the army sold better. Impossible to tell as we don't have a full picture.
Also, lowest selling doesn't mean it has atrocious numbers(except GSC as that is by a good margin according to the rumor), just lowest of the AoS lines. Although I'll be honest and would have thought Beastmen of Chaos would be the lowest selling.
We probably will never know the truth about the real sales numbers.
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The "we took a 60GBP hit per copy of Cursed City sold" bit sounds like a huuuuuuuuge load of bs. It would not and could not cost GW 185+ GBP per copy to produce, manufacture, and deliver that product. If the printed components and overseas shipping situation were the huge issues that they were rumored to be, then Dominion and the Kill Team box would have been similarly impacted (as the price for container shipping has only continued to climb since Cursed City released).
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Not necessarily... It could have cost them money, because they have decided to take a hit on it. Something obviously went wrong with Cursed City, and if they didn't get all the components made/delivered (still in dispute with some manufacturers) they may not have had enough copies ready to sell for their break even line, let alone make a profit on it. That £60 could include design costs, production costs like molds etc as well as just base materials for manufacture.
I don't actually think it would be as high as £60 per box personally, but GW taking a hit on it could be plausible, there really doesn't seem to be that many of the boxes out there (which makes the amount shipped out to influencers even more perplexing but hey...).
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Bago wrote: Am I the only one really enjoying some good old real rumours back at being discussed? I missed this
Nah it's great, I think people being overly skeptical and pooping on anything not from "reliable sources" led to this sort of thing not being seen/discussed. All got a bit too serious.
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streetsamurai wrote: I'd be very very surprised if deepkin and especially gsc are selling less than naked dwarves
Gsc I'm not shocked, they're a complicated army at the bottom of the competitive barrel and expensive to buy into.
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Bago wrote: Am I the only one really enjoying some good old real rumours back at being discussed? I missed this
Nah it's great, I think people being overly skeptical and pooping on anything not from "reliable sources" led to this sort of thing not being seen/discussed. All got a bit too serious.
Ehhhhh...it was more that when places like BoLS, Faeit, BoK started becoming "rumor" factories and kept putting out anything that they came across, it just became pointless to really talk about them since some people exclusively view that kind of pseudo-tabloid nonsense as "legit" because they also would post up the vendor price sheets that some stores actually just email out for preorders.
Yeah no real "reliable" sources and the reliable feed fro. WHC did their thing, I'd guess. Now we had some rumours that hit home, so yeah. I am really excited if its gonna be Imps and Nids (two armies I play) or Custodes and GSC (GSC I am currently buying into). I find it really interesting that CC was a loss on each box. But that would not really explain all this communication mishap and stuff. I mean they would know that beforehand right? I am working in the automotive sector and currently every BEV is a loss. But they know this and calculate it and other models have better margins financing this
Bago wrote: Yeah no real "reliable" sources and the reliable feed fro. WHC did their thing, I'd guess. Now we had some rumours that hit home, so yeah. I am really excited if its gonna be Imps and Nids (two armies I play) or Custodes and GSC (GSC I am currently buying into). I find it really interesting that CC was a loss on each box. But that would not really explain all this communication mishap and stuff. I mean they would know that beforehand right? I am working in the automotive sector and currently every BEV is a loss. But they know this and calculate it and other models have better margins financing this
It might have become a loss if they had to replace delayed/missing components on site rather than cheaper abroad or if a large volume of stock was lost without being able to cover it via insurance fully etc. Then there's overhead of design and man hours to factor in. Something unexpected obviously happened either way and if it drove the cost of production beyond a reasonable return I could imagine the higher ups pulling the plug.
Bago wrote: Yeah no real "reliable" sources and the reliable feed fro. WHC did their thing, I'd guess. Now we had some rumours that hit home, so yeah. I am really excited if its gonna be Imps and Nids (two armies I play) or Custodes and GSC (GSC I am currently buying into). I find it really interesting that CC was a loss on each box. But that would not really explain all this communication mishap and stuff. I mean they would know that beforehand right? I am working in the automotive sector and currently every BEV is a loss. But they know this and calculate it and other models have better margins financing this
The lead time led to unforeseen Brexit related issues that killed it's profitability maybe?
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