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gungo wrote:
Should of had beastsnagga keyword…. I mean they still have that strat waiting for him with that keyword no one can use.

I would imagine that if it had the beastsnagga keyword, it would only be allowed to transport beastsnagga keyworded units, which would be unfortunate...

Tactical Innovation this week:

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-talos-terrorize-texas/

1. Deffdreads and Killa Kans on the scene again.
2. Freebootas are definitely not dead.
3. AoR is also there with the expected list
4. Killrigs just as an option in Freebotas list.
5. Some nonsences in the comments as usually…

Ork buggy meta seems to be shifted to “as usually but less planes and take something, that can fight on the ground” - kans, dreads, rigs…

Semper krumps under the radar yet…..

Beardedragon wrote:
So.. its almost Christmas and the Kommandos cant be sold seperately yet. Furthermore, you cant even buy the old Kommandos. And im sitting here, itching to start my stormboyz/Kommandos alpha strike list so ive put stormboyz on my christmas whishing list, but i cant put no bloody kommandos on it, because they have been completely removed from the store.

Most my family will probably buy ork models on black friday, and i bet the models arent out there yet either.

Guess no kommandos for me this christmas. :(

Also i had my first turnement (ETC) this saturday and sunday. Ive never played with time limit before so it was kind of stressful. The terrain was also placed with like GW style tables which seemed radically different from what i play normally. It was quite the experience. I was a stand in reserve so i had to slap together a list within few days i had never really played. But i guess it went okay, i had 1 victory, 1 loss and 3 literal fething draws lol.

I could have won 2 of them though if i had not been a melon. The time really pressured me so i made dumb decisions by the end.


On the positive side, people commended me for using 2 Grot Mega tanks with Scorchas lol

right there with you, I have some cash literally waiting for that kit to go on sale so I can buy 3 of them (Better come in mobz of 10) With that said...If it comes in mobz of 10 as I hope it does....You have to buy 5 to maximize unitz...but then you will have 5 left over models...I guess a couple will be the extra nobz?

 Tomsug wrote:
Semper krumps under the radar

Going to be adding that to my sig line

All I'm getting from that article is that Drukhari and GK still rule the roost as top tier armies, people are losing interest in AdMech (or have figured out how to deal with them), Tyranids are going to be a problem going forward, and that Space Marines live on in various flavours of rogue lists.

Oh, and Orks aren't and weren't nearly as much of an issue as people said they are/were.....

Beardedragon wrote:
So.. its almost Christmas and the Kommandos cant be sold seperately yet. ….

1. Ebay or FB markets groups. I see them pretty often.
2. Kommandos are the most pleasurable models to convert! Boyz as the core and add various bits around. My favourite ane spellcrow parts for this.


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SemperMortis wrote:

 Tomsug wrote:
Semper krumps under the radar

Going to be adding that to my sig line

Do it


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 Afrodactyl wrote:
All I'm getting from that article is that Drukhari and GK still rule the roost as top tier armies, people are losing interest in AdMech (or have figured out how to deal with them), Tyranids are going to be a problem going forward, and that Space Marines live on in various flavours of rogue lists.

Oh, and Orks aren't and weren't nearly as much of an issue as people said they are/were.....

Don' t speak about drukhari. I had to drop the tournament due covid last weekend. So I substitued on TTS. All drukhari. Just drukhari. Drukhari here, drukhari there. Gak!

Our round base buggies have a problem to fit on the table and their arrow-shaped boats on one inch base or what can be in CC 20times with the single boy…

I really want to play a GT just to get my alphork strike list a test at that level Not to mention it would piss off all the right people. A Good friend of mine who goes regularly to GTs is furious at Buggy spam, so it would be hilarious to have him complain about Alphork strike.

Unironically, one of the best parts of the new codex is Semper finally being happy about the state of the army.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Scactha wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:
So.. its almost Christmas and the Kommandos cant be sold seperately yet. Furthermore, you cant even buy the old Kommandos. And im sitting here, itching to start my stormboyz/Kommandos alpha strike list so ive put stormboyz on my christmas whishing list, but i cant put no bloody kommandos on it, because they have been completely removed from the store.

I just use Boyz with red painted faces. Red Skulls a la Snikrots lads.

Burna heads + big shoota backpacks + boyz + paintjob has been the way to build kommadoz for a long time. After all, kommadoz used to be a FW upgrade sprue for the boyz kit which just was gas masks heads and backpacks.
If you got the killteam box, you can also use bits and heads from there, luckily there are 20 heads on the sprue.

I also kitbash kommandos from regular boyz, burna heads plus other bitz

The truth is, immediately after I saw the new monopose boys kit, I' ve bought all the old boyz available in Prague. About 10 boxes. These spare parts are just too valuable…


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SemperMortis wrote:
I really want to play a GT just to get my alphork strike list a test at that level Not to mention it would piss off all the right people. A Good friend of mine who goes regularly to GTs is furious at Buggy spam, so it would be hilarious to have him complain about Alphork strike.

Be careful. Your Alphork list suffers with one big issue. If you krump everybody T1, you have nothing to do for the rest of the time limit for the game

SemperMortis wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:
So.. its almost Christmas and the Kommandos cant be sold seperately yet. Furthermore, you cant even buy the old Kommandos. And im sitting here, itching to start my stormboyz/Kommandos alpha strike list so ive put stormboyz on my christmas whishing list, but i cant put no bloody kommandos on it, because they have been completely removed from the store.

Most my family will probably buy ork models on black friday, and i bet the models arent out there yet either.

Guess no kommandos for me this christmas. :(

Also i had my first turnement (ETC) this saturday and sunday. Ive never played with time limit before so it was kind of stressful. The terrain was also placed with like GW style tables which seemed radically different from what i play normally. It was quite the experience. I was a stand in reserve so i had to slap together a list within few days i had never really played. But i guess it went okay, i had 1 victory, 1 loss and 3 literal fething draws lol.

I could have won 2 of them though if i had not been a melon. The time really pressured me so i made dumb decisions by the end.


On the positive side, people commended me for using 2 Grot Mega tanks with Scorchas lol

right there with you, I have some cash literally waiting for that kit to go on sale so I can buy 3 of them (Better come in mobz of 10) With that said...If it comes in mobz of 10 as I hope it does....You have to buy 5 to maximize unitz...but then you will have 5 left over models...I guess a couple will be the extra nobz?

 Tomsug wrote:
Semper krumps under the radar

Going to be adding that to my sig line

well i got sad and bought some kommandos from the octarius set from ebay. The sprue seem to come with 10 kommandos. Whether you get 10 when they are released seperately i have no idea.

The sprues can't really be split up into separate sets. Expect Flash Git prices for the box though...

on kommandos... unless you are playing at GW then if you have a friend with a resin printer you can have a small build plate of quality bits to convert some boyz bodies into them pretty easily. heck they can do full bodies to as single prints if you find good STLs. may need to pay for some resin in either case, but i just did the bitz for 15 kommandos for a friend and i used maybe $1.00 worth of resin it was trivial enough and took less time to print than the 2 hours we were playing a game for.

SemperMortis wrote:
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I only use bikers for their speed/durability and their ability to tie things up in CC and not care about retaliatory fire. The Deffkoptas on the other hand are capable of inflicting serious dmg to a host of units. 150pts gets you 3 and you AVERAGE 12 shots and 4 hits, 3.3 wounds and 2.2 wounds for 2.2 dead Marines, in CC they get 27 attacks at S5 -1AP. They do dmg in both phases, they can ramming speed charge, they can fly, they have built in ramshackle and can have easy access to -1 to hit. Honestly I think they are slightly over priced in a competitive meta but not by much at all. In the new Army of Renown they are going to be amazing.

You have a valid point considering the army of renown rules giving an extra 3 attacks per model.

However, the army of renown gives a strong point in favor of the warbikes by making them obsec. Why not use both units, in that case? For me, the appeal of the koptas is the fact that they can fly.

 Tomsug wrote:
Tactical Innovation this week:

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-talos-terrorize-texas/

1. Deffdreads and Killa Kans on the scene again.
2. Freebootas are definitely not dead.
3. AoR is also there with the expected list
4. Killrigs just as an option in Freebotas list.
5. Some nonsences in the comments as usually…

Ork buggy meta seems to be shifted to “as usually but less planes and take something, that can fight on the ground” - kans, dreads, rigs…

Semper krumps under the radar yet…..

Orks took a significant hit in both placings and win rates.. freebooters still seem ahead of other ork lists but I have hope for speedmob. I don’t know why trite didn’t take the freebooter banner, and I would have dropped 1 buggy for a max biker unit, but that’s the list I want to build.

Unfortunately I just realized I can’t play 2x wazbom since all I have is a magnetized wazbom and a magnetized Dakkajet (the old kit before wazbom)… and I can’t buy another wazbom since we can never have 3x aircraft lol.


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 Afrodactyl wrote:
All I'm getting from that article is that Drukhari and GK still rule the roost as top tier armies, people are losing interest in AdMech (or have figured out how to deal with them), Tyranids are going to be a problem going forward, and that Space Marines live on in various flavours of rogue lists.

Oh, and Orks aren't and weren't nearly as much of an issue as people said they are/were.....

Pretty Much and I Love how they gloss over the fact drukari have the best win rate by a large margin.. they are once again 65%+ win rate… it’s so annoying considering they literally freaked out about orks winning that one tournament.

SemperMortis wrote:
I really want to play a GT just to get my alphork strike list a test at that level Not to mention it would piss off all the right people. A Good friend of mine who goes regularly to GTs is furious at Buggy spam, so it would be hilarious to have him complain about Alphork strike.

how does that list of yours look these days? You still running 3 groups of trukk boys?

 TedNugent wrote:
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However, the army of renown gives a strong point in favor of the warbikes by making them obsec. Why not use both units, in that case? For me, the appeal of the koptas is the fact that they can fly.

You need to take them both. Try to make the AOR list. You take everything in almost max numbers and you are happy you are on 2k.


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 Tomsug wrote:
The truth is, immediately after I saw the new monopose boys kit, I' ve bought all the old boyz available in Prague. About 10 boxes. These spare parts are just too valuable…

Hey guys! I did a check and old Boyz are still available. Stores here can still order the old sets from GW. And if the picture is right, GW eshop still sells only old boyz as the separate box.

So my recommendation is - buy some boxes! Even if you have enough boyz. It is a great box for conversions etc. Infaltion is rising. It' s a pitty to have a money in the shelf. It' s better have there some great models that will be OOP soon

And no. I 've sold my GW shares already

Hello all, I’ve been away from the hobby for quite a few years, and wow, everything is so complicated now, haha! Detachments and combat points… wah! I can see buggies and fliers are the greatness of our army right now, and wagons are mediocre compared to KillRigs… sadly I have a good amount of looted vehicles, wagons and trukks, all being built up from the times of Codex Armageddon. I want to use this mechanized force to build a fun list to play with friends, using the models I have, instead of buying new ones. Stuff I have: 4 battlewagons with various upgrades (demolisher kannon, deffrollas, open topped, ‘ard case, all mounted on LandRaider chassis), 2x looted wagons (Basilisk and Rhino with Leman Russ gun) 4 trukks (8 old ones I could use for buggies) 9 warbikes, 3 deffkoptas, 5 mek guns (stand ins), various boyz (including elites and fast attack)

This is the first draft of an Armored Krumpany list. I basically threw in stuff I wanted to play with really, but I can see that some transports are missing someone to actually transport. Too much MSU? I wanted to test the wagon configurations. Mek rides in Bonebreaka and teleports into the battle, MANz jump into the deffrolla wagon, Warboss in MA into a trukk or with MANz, gretchins into one wagon, for objective grabbing and stuff. I really do miss my 20x shoota boyz in a wagon setup. I really feel like I should throw stuff into the wagons, to have multiple "same scary" target priorities. How about removing stuff to get boyz in, or possibly tankbustas / burnas?


2000pts list

ivalde wrote:
Hello all, I’ve been away from the hobby for quite a few years, and wow, everything is so complicated now, haha! Detachments and combat points… wah! I can see buggies and fliers are the greatness of our army right now, and wagons are mediocre compared to KillRigs… sadly I have a good amount of looted vehicles, wagons and trukks, all being built up from the times of Codex Armageddon. I want to use this mechanized force to build a fun list to play with friends, using the models I have, instead of buying new ones. Stuff I have: 4 battlewagons with various upgrades (demolisher kannon, deffrollas, open topped, ‘ard case, all mounted on LandRaider chassis), 2x looted wagons (Basilisk and Rhino with Leman Russ gun) 4 trukks (8 old ones I could use for buggies) 9 warbikes, 3 deffkoptas, 5 mek guns (stand ins), various boyz (including elites and fast attack)

This is the first draft of an Armored Krumpany list. I basically threw in stuff I wanted to play with really, but I can see that some transports are missing someone to actually transport. Too much MSU? I wanted to test the wagon configurations. Mek rides in Bonebreaka and teleports into the battle, MANz jump into the deffrolla wagon, Warboss in MA into a trukk or with MANz, gretchins into one wagon, for objective grabbing and stuff. I really do miss my 20x shoota boyz in a wagon setup. I really feel like I should throw stuff into the wagons, to have multiple "same scary" target priorities. How about removing stuff to get boyz in, or possibly tankbustas / burnas?


2000pts list

Spoiler:

Patrol Detachment - Deathskulls

HQ
Big Mek in Mega Armour
Dead Shiny Shoota, Tellyport Blasta Opportunist, Warlord

Troop
10 Trukkboyz

Trukk

Elite
5 Kommandos

Heavy Support
Bonebreaka
Mek Gunz
Kustom Mega Kannon


Patrol Detachment - Deathskulls

HQ
Warboss on Bike
Da Killa Klaw, ExtraGubbins

Troop
10 Trukkboyz

Trukk

Elite
3 MegaNobz

Fast Attack
3 DeffKoptas
3 Warbikers

Heavy Support
Battlewagon
‘ard Case, Deff Rolla, Fortress on Wheels
Kannonwagon
Supa-Kannon

Patrol Detachment - Deathskulls

HQ
Warboss in Mega Armour
‘Ard as Nails, Da Krushin’ Armour, Big Boss, Extra Gubbinz, Trukk Boyz

Troop
10 Gretchin

Elite
5 Kommandos
5 Kommandos


Heavy Support
Gunwagon
Da Booma, Deff Rolla

Mek Gunz
Kustom Mega Kannon

Filter Semper Mortis in this thread. He has a great Alphork list and it seems you could have +/- the models you need for this list.

Skip the Gunwagon option at all. It' s clearly the underdog if you compare it with the Kannonwagon (or anything else in fact - Gunwagon seems to be the new Mekboy Workshop) and you can play the same models as Gunwagon or Kannonwagon I guess out of the GTO. Play the Kannowagonf from FW book, just check the FAQ for this book from this autumn, important upgrades to work with the new codex. Kannonwagon is a very good unit right now.

Deffrolla BW. - use the vanila BW with deffrolla and put 5 MANz or 10 Boyz + 10 gretchkins. Opponent will shoot your wagon down, grots die during Emergency disembark for 2 Cp and you protect your precious MANz and put them up to 6” away from the wagon. If you play them es Deathskulls, you just steal the objective behind enemy lines with your 5 hard to kill obsec MANz. Good job
Bonebreaker is too expensive and brings nothing so interesting.

Koptas and warbikers are great. Kommandos too. KMK too. Warbosses too - btw there is another trick - take 3 detachement, Trukkboyz in each of them. In 2 of these detachements, give the Trukkboy keword to some MANz or Nobz and in the third have trukkboy Warboss = after that he can give +1 to hit to them. Not mandatory, but a nice option. Semper use warbosses in trukks as the second wave unit without Trukkboy keyword.

ivalde wrote:
Hello all, I’ve been away from the hobby for quite a few years, and wow, everything is so complicated now, haha! Detachments and combat points… wah! I can see buggies and fliers are the greatness of our army right now, and wagons are mediocre compared to KillRigs… sadly I have a good amount of looted vehicles, wagons and trukks, all being built up from the times of Codex Armageddon. I want to use this mechanized force to build a fun list to play with friends, using the models I have, instead of buying new ones. Stuff I have: 4 battlewagons with various upgrades (demolisher kannon, deffrollas, open topped, ‘ard case, all mounted on LandRaider chassis), 2x looted wagons (Basilisk and Rhino with Leman Russ gun) 4 trukks (8 old ones I could use for buggies) 9 warbikes, 3 deffkoptas, 5 mek guns (stand ins), various boyz (including elites and fast attack)

This is the first draft of an Armored Krumpany list. I basically threw in stuff I wanted to play with really, but I can see that some transports are missing someone to actually transport. Too much MSU? I wanted to test the wagon configurations. Mek rides in Bonebreaka and teleports into the battle, MANz jump into the deffrolla wagon, Warboss in MA into a trukk or with MANz, gretchins into one wagon, for objective grabbing and stuff. I really do miss my 20x shoota boyz in a wagon setup. I really feel like I should throw stuff into the wagons, to have multiple "same scary" target priorities. How about removing stuff to get boyz in, or possibly tankbustas / burnas?

Tomsug has already given good advice, the gunwagon is a rather big disappointment, so just run all of yours as kannonwagons - they feel how a proper ork wagon with a huge gun should feel.

Outside of that, I guess you could make a list like that work. However, as someone with way to many battlewagons myself, I have to tell you that the days of bringing four of them are over. You can get away with one bonebreaka or battlewagon, upgrade it with fortress and put your MANz or burnas inside and then have a kannonwagon or two to support it, but any more and you will find yourself running out of passengers worth transporting. If you are a decent converter, you could also build a weirdboy tower for one of your wagons and just have it count as kill-rig. I believe one of the old apoc books had a model like that.

3 warbikes by themselves also don't do a whole lot, maybe you could find something else to spend these point on, or at least up them to 5.

Another idea for conversion is turning your old trukks into squig buggies, they look close enough and are essentially just a trukk with a bunch of crew, squigs and one fancy gun. Be aware that a recent emergency nerf limited them to bring a maximum of one unit with up to three buggies.

Convert BW to killrigs is a good idea!

Jidmah is also right about the quantity.

2 kannonwagons sitting in the corners of your deploy, screen and iritate the opponent by shooting down something on the other side of table are a good choice.

I did a comparison of damage per point between Kannonwagon and KMK. On the paper, KMK are significantly better. But honestly… in the real game:

1. KMK are sitting ducks with 36” range. Cannot move significantly. 30-40% chance of no targets.
2. All Mek Gunz dies super fast, because a lot of people - as someone here said - have PTSD from smashagun spam from the last year.

Result? My two Kannonwagons shoot for 3 turns at least every game. They shoot every turn, because thanks their 12”M and 60” range they find the target. On the other side, my KMK shots no more than 2 turn with a high chance of no target in one of these turns.

Plus kill the 16W T7 3+ models on the end of the map is a pain. Kill 6W T5 5+ is sitting on the edge of the deploy to the midfield is significantly easier.

Don' t speak about the big shootas, that is the bonus.
And in some lists, you can choose them for To The Last secondary, which is super cool.

Trukks are fine. Build a list about them. Convert them to squigbuggies is also cool

All this talk of wagons makes me want to build a Blitz Brigade list for a few laughs. How are people equipping MANz these days?


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Gonna muck about with this list for a few games. Not expecting to win an awful lot but I'll have a gakload of fun with it

Wots da objektiv? Krump 'Em!

A weird thought struck me from a guy wanting to make a non competitive speed freeks army.


Is that even possible? I mean barring the battlewagon that has nothing to transport and the gunwagon which sucks, basically all other units that you HAVE to use in your army, are pretty damn good.

So no matter how you put together a speed freeks army, id wager you would actually have to think pretty hard to make a list thats not down right hard to deal with.

Im not saying you could close your eyes and bam! its competitively, but its actually really difficult to put together a regular: lets have fun casual list" when doing speed freeks.

unless you're trying real hard to put wagons in it.

 Jidmah wrote:
Unironically, one of the best parts of the new codex is Semper finally being happy about the state of the army.

I never thought I would see the day.

edit: my god, after reading a bit more it appears Semper is also the source of truth for quality lists? Things really have changed!

Beardedragon wrote:
A weird thought struck me from a guy wanting to make a non competitive speed freeks army.


Is that even possible? I mean barring the battlewagon that has nothing to transport and the gunwagon which sucks, basically all other units that you HAVE to use in your army, are pretty damn good.

So no matter how you put together a speed freeks army, id wager you would actually have to think pretty hard to make a list thats not down right hard to deal with.

Im not saying you could close your eyes and bam! its competitively, but its actually really difficult to put together a regular: lets have fun casual list" when doing speed freeks.

unless you're trying real hard to put wagons in it.

Assuming you mean the AoR list: as you said, I don't think it's really doable unless you actively just spam battlewagons and gunwagons in a spearhead. There's only two HQ options, which work in any combination, and then just fill a spearhead or two with basically any combination of bikers, koptas and buggies.

Maybe if you took one of each buggy and loaded up on Kustom jobs for everything. But even then you'd have to fill the rest of the points with bikers and koptas, which are more than capable of pulling their weight.

Beardedragon wrote:
A weird thought struck me from a guy wanting to make a non competitive speed freeks army.


Is that even possible? I mean barring the battlewagon that has nothing to transport and the gunwagon which sucks, basically all other units that you HAVE to use in your army, are pretty damn good.

So no matter how you put together a speed freeks army, id wager you would actually have to think pretty hard to make a list thats not down right hard to deal with.

Im not saying you could close your eyes and bam! its competitively, but its actually really difficult to put together a regular: lets have fun casual list" when doing speed freeks.

unless you're trying real hard to put wagons in it.

I think you are probably right. I currently play a deffskull list which has just one of every fast attack choice we have plus some HQ and trukk boyz. Most weaker players get completely curb-stomped by it so I have to actively downgrade it to have enjoyable games.

The speed mob adds to that problem with their limited choices - most collections don't really give you a choice on how to build it, so you can't just take a wagon full of flash gits or something like that.
Well, I guess you could go hard on nob bikers

Oh right Nob warbikers.

So trying to make a speed freeks list in the Battlescribe app, and i get i get refunded my first outrider. But i wanted to go outrider and patrol, but the app yells at me for not having any troop choices which i cant.. pick.

So my question is, can we not get any patrols due to lack of troop choices or is it just the app doing weird stuff?

I dont have the Critical mass book so i cant really tell.

Beardedragon wrote:
Oh right Nob warbikers.

So trying to make a speed freeks list in the Battlescribe app, and i get i get refunded my first outrider. But i wanted to go outrider and patrol, but the app yells at me for not having any troop choices which i cant.. pick.

So my question is, can we not get any patrols due to lack of troop choices or is it just the app doing weird stuff?

I dont have the Critical mass book so i cant really tell.

Troops are Boys and Grots.
Neither of which, to my knowledge, you can take in an Army Of Renown for Orks.

So you can't do a patrol at all.

The simplicity of AoR in listbuilding is marvelous.

You can take any detachement unless it' s outrider. If you want something else, you cannot.

You don' t have to think - shall I take Warbikers or Koptas? The answer is - “yes” - take it all to fill 2k

Well, in theory you could run a spearhead detachment

edit: wrong detachment name... don't post on dakka before your first coffee...

 Jidmah wrote:
Well, in theory you could run a spearhead detachment

edit: wrong detachment name... don't post on dakka before your first coffee...

Yeah, that is right! Kunnin