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2021/09/05 02:47:05
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
In terms of companies doing bad things we're talking in the realms of "GW pulled another kid's hair in the playground".
No, that's exactly what is wrong about your point of view and exactly what I am reacting to. It is *not* "GW pulled another kid's hair in the playground." It's "GW threatened someone's job for no good reason." Filing a false copyright infringement complaint is a serious thing. That they backed off after huge backlash should not make us overlook that they wrongly attempted to deprive someone of the income from their job. That's a big deal. Brushing it off as rough-housing on the playground is totally irresponsible and shows a real lack of understanding of the gravity of the situation.
What I hope GW does is that it doesn't treat the matter the way you have, and that it appreciates the gravity of what it did. But I don't honestly have any confidence they don't see it the same way you do, as no big deal. Wrongfully demonetizing someone is an extremely serious thing, and it should only be done when the rights holder is absolutely sure their claim is valid. GW failed miserably here, and I hope they recognize that and seriously reorganize the way they handle copyright infringement claims so it can't happen again, because it simply isn't good enough.
But what exactly does that MEAN. What action do you want GW to perform?
I'm sure GW take it seriously, I mean they did they resolved the matter. They didn't push back, or argue for months or contest or anything. They acknowledged the error and resolved it. That is taking it seriously.
I'm just not sure what you're really after for GW to do other than not make mistakes, which I'm sure GW doesn't want to do in the first place since, as noted, I'm sure youtube monitors false/contested claims and would hinder GW's ability to issue claims in the future if GW were issuing false/unjustified claims.
I totally get that you're angry it happened and that it shouldn't happen, but in the end it did happen.
I sort of wonder what people like this are like in real life? Because I'm honestly struggling to understand this attitude. If someone does something wrong, usually society expects an apology even if just to the person who was wronged. Taking the punching a kid on the playground analogy, would these same people praise a bully for not punching someone MORE?
Yet here, we have a number of people (who started off saying GW did nothing wrong because it was automated, don't forget that part) who seem to want us to praise GW for not making it worse. Just that. When they did something wrong and got caught, they stopped doing wrong. And yet that is praiseworthy? Huh?
Gert wrote: Maybe I'm just sick of the constant aggro and negativity, as well as the attempts to maintain the momentum of said aggro and negativity.
Maybe the aggro was the posts we made along the way?
What I mean by that is, if we look at your posts in the thread, it has been a litany of "This isn't a big deal!" or "This isn't actually a problem!" from the very start. You've been dismissive of every single discussion point that has been brought up, and you really wonder why people might get a bit 'aggro' because of that?
It think it would be best not to act as if you are somehow sitting in the eye of a raging storm, constantly shrugging your shoulders and going "I just don't know why people seem so angry!" and acting as if you're not part of the maelstrom itself.
The viewpoint I really want to push back on is that something has changed--I do not at all mean to say GW is blameless, I mean to say GW is the same level of corporate dickishness it has been for some time. Which is in turn the same level that corporations in general have been for some time.
Like, corporate entities do crappy things. They always have. By all means discuss the latest crappy thing but let's not pretend this is any less predictable than new Space Marine models every edition. Or that it represents some new low. It feels like some people are acting like this one terd is a big deal when we've been swimming it in since before we were born.
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But what exactly does that MEAN. What action do you want GW to perform?
I'm sure GW take it seriously, I mean they did they resolved the matter. They didn't push back, or argue for months or contest or anything. They acknowledged the error and resolved it. That is taking it seriously.
I'm just not sure what you're really after for GW to do other than not make mistakes, which I'm sure GW doesn't want to do in the first place since, as noted, I'm sure youtube monitors false/contested claims and would hinder GW's ability to issue claims in the future if GW were issuing false/unjustified claims.
I totally get that you're angry it happened and that it shouldn't happen, but in the end it did happen.
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What should anyone do when they screw up? Make sure they don't screw up again, make the person whole, apologize to everybody they let down, realize that people are going to hold it against them and not be surprised that they'll have to earn the trust back that they squandered, etc.
The onus should be on GW to demonstrate to us that it recognizes what it did and will take steps to make sure it can't happen again. The onus isn't on everyone else to just accept the "this was an error" and draw a line under it.
You're "sure" of a lot of things I see no reason to be sure of based on GW's actions here and in the past. I'm sure I would be fine with what happened if I was also sure that GW is a good, responsible actor and that this somehow "just happened" to them without it really being their fault. But I'm not sure of that at all. And I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt after they did something really unprofessional.
But honestly my problem isn't really with you or even necessarily with GW's handling of the fallout, it's with the people in this thread who have repeatedly acted like what happened was no big deal, at worst just a "slap on the wrist" for some supposedly rogue employee. I hope you are right that GW doesn't share their point of view.
No, it isn't. The onus is on GW to redact their application, apologise and if needs be compensate MWM. The Royal "us" need nothing proving to us.
They've done nothing to a wider community, they impacted 1 persons singular piece of content.
Yes they did wrong but its nothing to do with anyone in here, nobody in this thread (Unless Guy is here) has been impacted and the frankly ridiculous levels of demands for public explanations and accusations of witch-hunts are out of line.
Yes I stated a GW employee will get a slap on the wrist and carry on. They're not going to be marched outside warhammer world making a public apology on YouTube.
All the claims about it impacting someone's livelihood? Well maybe that's why they're clamping down on IP infringement, because there's a large slew of people using their livelihood for personal profit. Or directly copying their products with 3d printers and bragging about not paying the creators.
Of course the online community simply praises the creativity and resourcefulness of ripping off a GW mini, but when GW make a small mistake that they rectify privately in short notice, ofc they need to be strung up.
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Sunny Side Up wrote: People with genuine creativity don't need to parasite off GW's (or anyone's) IP to make a living on YouTube, sculpting miniatures, whatever.
...we're speaking about GW and "not parasiting IP" on the same sentence? Well, that's a take.
2021/09/05 09:41:59
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
No, GW wouldn't do such a thing as "faultily" manually claim reviews and such...no that wouldn't happen they said.
They would never attempt to do so and controll the narrative sourounding their product by expanding their policy from animations to reviews..
We should all have trust in the new GW with PR and "interaction"
________________________________
Why yes, I AM Bitter about GW.
And yes I also fall into the category of people that gave GW the benefit of the boubt at the start of 8th edition and came back.
I fell for the sweet sireen song of Indices, of Chapter Approved and pts updates.
Unlike many others though i also got my reality check quite a bit earlier, especially in regards to legends. and the supposed interaction that GW now has with its community.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Gert wrote: Maybe I'm just sick of the constant aggro and negativity, as well as the attempts to maintain the momentum of said aggro and negativity.
Maybe the aggro was the posts we made along the way?
What I mean by that is, if we look at your posts in the thread, it has been a litany of "This isn't a big deal!" or "This isn't actually a problem!" from the very start. You've been dismissive of every single discussion point that has been brought up, and you really wonder why people might get a bit 'aggro' because of that?
It think it would be best not to act as if you are somehow sitting in the eye of a raging storm, constantly shrugging your shoulders and going "I just don't know why people seem so angry!" and acting as if you're not part of the maelstrom itself.
How negative of you please stop that
As for the parasites, oh my... The only parasite is GW freaking IP paranoia imposed and bombarded onto everyone! Thats the big parasite in the room and the hobby and industry does NOT need that.
Not Online!!! wrote: No, GW wouldn't do such a thing as "faultily" manually claim reviews and such...no that wouldn't happen they said.
They would never attempt to do so and controll the narrative sourounding their product by expanding their policy from animations to reviews..
We should all have trust in the new GW with PR and "interaction"
________________________________
Why yes, I AM Bitter about GW.
And yes I also fall into the category of people that gave GW the benefit of the boubt at the start of 8th edition and came back.
I fell for the sweet sireen song of Indices, of Chapter Approved and pts updates.
Unlike many others though i also got my reality check quite a bit earlier, especially in regards to legends. and the supposed interaction that GW now has with its community.
Of course they're going to make incorrect or mistaken claims, they're evidently trying to get better at this process and as long as a human is sat at the wheel there will be a mistake. All GW can do it mitigate the risk and impact of the mistake.
The review is still up and viewable, no other reviews have been impacted I'm aware of, infact very little to no content has been directly taken down without some behind the scenes employment offer as far as I'm aware.
Again, yes they do dumb things and have some bad practices. But so far what are the casualties of the IP changes that everyone is gaking the bed over?
Sunny Side Up wrote: People with genuine creativity don't need to parasite off GW's (or anyone's) IP to make a living on YouTube, sculpting miniatures, whatever.
Yeah because GW covers everything those whopping TWO....yes folks count that TWO WHOLE animated series on warhammer plus.
lol all those rules and weapon options from 40k removed because GW CBF to make the parts....haha
You remind me of the fearmongering and toxic mentality this utterly moronic scare campaign about aftermarket wiper blades that we had in Australia....lol
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2021/09/05 10:05:21
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Not Online!!! wrote: No, GW wouldn't do such a thing as "faultily" manually claim reviews and such...no that wouldn't happen they said.
They would never attempt to do so and controll the narrative sourounding their product by expanding their policy from animations to reviews..
We should all have trust in the new GW with PR and "interaction"
________________________________
Why yes, I AM Bitter about GW.
And yes I also fall into the category of people that gave GW the benefit of the boubt at the start of 8th edition and came back.
I fell for the sweet sireen song of Indices, of Chapter Approved and pts updates.
Unlike many others though i also got my reality check quite a bit earlier, especially in regards to legends. and the supposed interaction that GW now has with its community.
Of course they're going to make incorrect or mistaken claims, they're evidently trying to get better at this process and as long as a human is sat at the wheel there will be a mistake. All GW can do it mitigate the risk and impact of the mistake.
The review is still up and viewable, no other reviews have been impacted I'm aware of, infact very little to no content has been directly taken down without some behind the scenes employment offer as far as I'm aware.
Again, yes they do dumb things and have some bad practices. But so far what are the casualties of the IP changes that everyone is gaking the bed over?
You know what. Nintendo has a similar bad habit, regularly demonitising and taking down reviews and letsplays, both of which are protected by fair use. Attacking livelyhoods directly.
You know however unlike GW nintendo delievers acceptable product, and is willing to forgoe boni for their CEO to keep workers employed.
Oh and fun fact, the initial release time frame is the time were a video makes the most views and pays the most. So no it still was a quite sever impact due to the demonetisation of GW which was just an "accident".
So yes i think when we give Nintendo gak for their nonsenseical take torwards Youtube and reviews with their medieval practices i think we can give GW more than double the gak for failing in both regards.
And make no mistake GW IS failing in both regards its community, because everything NON SM has some serious issue and people like me which collected rarities / FW armies have all the reason to tell GW to feth off with its gakky practices which it has imported from the mobile gaming and video gaming industries like pre order DLC type of cut content and complete ignorance of some ranges or the artificial scarcity of some parts like the chain cannon.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2021/09/05 10:10:15
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Not Online!!! wrote: No, GW wouldn't do such a thing as "faultily" manually claim reviews and such...no that wouldn't happen they said.
They would never attempt to do so and controll the narrative sourounding their product by expanding their policy from animations to reviews..
We should all have trust in the new GW with PR and "interaction"
________________________________
Why yes, I AM Bitter about GW.
And yes I also fall into the category of people that gave GW the benefit of the boubt at the start of 8th edition and came back.
I fell for the sweet sireen song of Indices, of Chapter Approved and pts updates.
Unlike many others though i also got my reality check quite a bit earlier, especially in regards to legends. and the supposed interaction that GW now has with its community.
Of course they're going to make incorrect or mistaken claims, they're evidently trying to get better at this process and as long as a human is sat at the wheel there will be a mistake. All GW can do it mitigate the risk and impact of the mistake.
The review is still up and viewable, no other reviews have been impacted I'm aware of, infact very little to no content has been directly taken down without some behind the scenes employment offer as far as I'm aware.
Again, yes they do dumb things and have some bad practices. But so far what are the casualties of the IP changes that everyone is gaking the bed over?
You know what. Nintendo has a similar bad habit, regularly demonitising and taking down reviews and letsplays, both of which are protected by fair use. Attacking livelyhoods directly.
You know however unlike GW nintendo delievers acceptable product, and is willing to forgoe boni for their CEO to keep workers employed.
Oh and fun fact, the initial release time frame is the time were a video makes the most views and pays the most. So no it still was a quite sever impact due to the demonetisation of GW which was just an "accident".
So yes i think when we give Nintendo gak for their nonsenseical take torwards Youtube and reviews with their medieval practices i think we can give GW more than double the gak for failing in both regards.
And make no mistake GW IS failing in both regards its community, because everything NON SM has some serious issue and people like me which collected rarities / FW armies have all the reason to tell GW to feth off with its gakky practices which it has imported from the mobile gaming and video gaming industries like pre order DLC type of cut content and complete ignorance of some ranges or the artificial scarcity of some parts like the chain cannon.
ues GW is such an evil company... incidently, how dare they not put out stuff you want to buy....
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2021/09/05 10:13:28
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Not Online!!! wrote: No, GW wouldn't do such a thing as "faultily" manually claim reviews and such...no that wouldn't happen they said.
They would never attempt to do so and controll the narrative sourounding their product by expanding their policy from animations to reviews..
We should all have trust in the new GW with PR and "interaction"
________________________________
Why yes, I AM Bitter about GW.
And yes I also fall into the category of people that gave GW the benefit of the boubt at the start of 8th edition and came back.
I fell for the sweet sireen song of Indices, of Chapter Approved and pts updates.
Unlike many others though i also got my reality check quite a bit earlier, especially in regards to legends. and the supposed interaction that GW now has with its community.
Of course they're going to make incorrect or mistaken claims, they're evidently trying to get better at this process and as long as a human is sat at the wheel there will be a mistake. All GW can do it mitigate the risk and impact of the mistake.
The review is still up and viewable, no other reviews have been impacted I'm aware of, infact very little to no content has been directly taken down without some behind the scenes employment offer as far as I'm aware.
Again, yes they do dumb things and have some bad practices. But so far what are the casualties of the IP changes that everyone is gaking the bed over?
You know what. Nintendo has a similar bad habit, regularly demonitising and taking down reviews and letsplays, both of which are protected by fair use. Attacking livelyhoods directly.
You know however unlike GW nintendo delievers acceptable product, and is willing to forgoe boni for their CEO to keep workers employed.
Oh and fun fact, the initial release time frame is the time were a video makes the most views and pays the most. So no it still was a quite sever impact due to the demonetisation of GW which was just an "accident".
So yes i think when we give Nintendo gak for their nonsenseical take torwards Youtube and reviews with their medieval practices i think we can give GW more than double the gak for failing in both regards.
And make no mistake GW IS failing in both regards its community, because everything NON SM has some serious issue and people like me which collected rarities / FW armies have all the reason to tell GW to feth off with its gakky practices which it has imported from the mobile gaming and video gaming industries like pre order DLC type of cut content and complete ignorance of some ranges or the artificial scarcity of some parts like the chain cannon.
ues GW is such an evil company... incidently, how dare they not put out stuff you want to buy....
Stop strawmanning.
This was entirely about their bad practices. Which you can't argue with especially in regards to the cut content type nice add on rulessets.
Or the blatantly hilarious kit design.
Or the completly lopsided release cycles.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2021/09/05 10:13:36
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
But so far what are the casualties of the IP changes that everyone is gaking the bed over?
Everyone that is in the hobby for hobby sake dont need GW IP battles, these in the past killed forums, debates and every miniature producer was tiptoeing afraid to create something that for some bizarre reason GW would feel inclined to nuke. Stores bullied not to carry images, court cases and so on and on and on. Its a big list.
GW is back to that now and taking a step further, by inviting animators to stop and now hitting a review channel. They are now looking at reviews too.
So yes if your happy to have forums, YouTube and the community hold hostage of these types of debates and "legal" actions and in fear then be my guest.
That is the big loss, when the big fish in the pound sets a precedent splash of IP deluded paranoia and toxicity, the ripples will be noticed... even deleting their past posts on their site when they do not fulfil their promises. Come on.
I believe we just want fun minis and games right? I do! So GW can keep their dark agenda away from public...
Not Online!!! wrote: No, GW wouldn't do such a thing as "faultily" manually claim reviews and such...no that wouldn't happen they said.
They would never attempt to do so and controll the narrative sourounding their product by expanding their policy from animations to reviews..
We should all have trust in the new GW with PR and "interaction"
________________________________
Why yes, I AM Bitter about GW.
And yes I also fall into the category of people that gave GW the benefit of the boubt at the start of 8th edition and came back.
I fell for the sweet sireen song of Indices, of Chapter Approved and pts updates.
Unlike many others though i also got my reality check quite a bit earlier, especially in regards to legends. and the supposed interaction that GW now has with its community.
Of course they're going to make incorrect or mistaken claims, they're evidently trying to get better at this process and as long as a human is sat at the wheel there will be a mistake. All GW can do it mitigate the risk and impact of the mistake.
The review is still up and viewable, no other reviews have been impacted I'm aware of, infact very little to no content has been directly taken down without some behind the scenes employment offer as far as I'm aware.
Again, yes they do dumb things and have some bad practices. But so far what are the casualties of the IP changes that everyone is gaking the bed over?
You know what. Nintendo has a similar bad habit, regularly demonitising and taking down reviews and letsplays, both of which are protected by fair use. Attacking livelyhoods directly.
You know however unlike GW nintendo delievers acceptable product, and is willing to forgoe boni for their CEO to keep workers employed.
Oh and fun fact, the initial release time frame is the time were a video makes the most views and pays the most. So no it still was a quite sever impact due to the demonetisation of GW which was just an "accident".
So yes i think when we give Nintendo gak for their nonsenseical take torwards Youtube and reviews with their medieval practices i think we can give GW more than double the gak for failing in both regards.
And make no mistake GW IS failing in both regards its community, because everything NON SM has some serious issue and people like me which collected rarities / FW armies have all the reason to tell GW to feth off with its gakky practices which it has imported from the mobile gaming and video gaming industries like pre order DLC type of cut content and complete ignorance of some ranges or the artificial scarcity of some parts like the chain cannon.
You do know they contested the monetisation of the video, it never went down and the funds were in a hold account by youtube so were returned in full right? Never mind the extra views and donations MWM received off the back of this?
2021/09/05 10:20:20
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Except that GW gave in only AFTERWARDS it made waves.
What about smaller creators that can't make such waves?
feth em? Because remember the contestation goes back to the companies leeway, thanks to YouTubes gakky system.
And because they gave in afterwards we should congratulate them? Trust them?
The same company that has also now entered the mobile gaming plattform with 3 diffrent but really same game titles that are blatant p2w cashgrabs?
The same company that basically has turned its rules model for a miniature wargaming game into a cut content DLC system? That monetises what is in essence a balance patch? Not even EA gets away with such a move and here we are expected to do so?
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2021/09/05 10:26:24
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
To make a point here, how do you know GW Legal acted because people "made waves'?
The whole situation was resolved in 2 days and the only evidence you have for your theory is that GW Legal removed the claim and sent an apology email after people posted online, which is entirely circumstantial.
The Legal Team could have already known before seeing the "waves" and was working to resolve it.
Maybe until its confirmed, people should stop pretending like "We the People" forced GW to rescind an erroneous revenue claim.
2021/09/05 10:36:00
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Gert wrote: To make a point here, how do you know GW Legal acted because people "made waves'?
The whole situation was resolved in 2 days and the only evidence you have for your theory is that GW Legal removed the claim and sent an apology email after people posted online, which is entirely circumstantial.
The Legal Team could have already known before seeing the "waves" and was working to resolve it.
Maybe until its confirmed, people should stop pretending like "We the People" forced GW to rescind an erroneous revenue claim.
Except that song and Dance happens all the time with Games reviewers.
And other reviewers so no , i am not conviced that i shouldn't draw parallels, especially by a company with a history of Bad faith acting .
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2021/09/05 10:53:10
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Wow. I have not seen a thread blow up so fast on dakka in a long while... GW hitting some nerves.
I do not understand how a company which depends on the good will of its fan base for sales and subscriptions in good faith for IOUs like Warhammer+ (as many subscribers seem to be paying in advance for presumably forthcoming content rather than for what is provided in the streaming service at present) can both raise prices so high as to push many people to 3d print or order resin reproductions rather than pay those prices and use some (most? a lot? I mean, "legal" ain't cheap!) of those profits to discourage those same people from staying involved, at all.
Has GW forgotten Fafrd and the Grey Mouser, completely? Conan? Any and every elf and myth of goblins and trolls that belonged to humanity post script? What are they going to do, sue history for infringement, now? 1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual... yikes.
Sunny Side Up wrote: People with genuine creativity don't need to parasite off GW's (or anyone's) IP to make a living on YouTube, sculpting miniatures, whatever.
You know I really do wonder sometimes if GW has people paid to astroturf in forum and social media communities.
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2021/09/05 11:30:02
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Sunny Side Up wrote: People with genuine creativity don't need to parasite off GW's (or anyone's) IP to make a living on YouTube, sculpting miniatures, whatever.
You know I really do wonder sometimes if GW has people paid to astroturf in forum and social media communities.
GW is too cheap to pay it's devs well, it's just people who grafted corporate product as personality prosthetic.
2021/09/05 11:40:51
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Dudeface wrote: Of course they're going to make incorrect or mistaken claims, they're evidently trying to get better at this process and as long as a human is sat at the wheel there will be a mistake. All GW can do it mitigate the risk and impact of the mistake.
I think it's a matter of perspective. To you, they're making incorrect or mistaken claims. To me, they're trying to see just how far they can push.
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BrianDavion wrote: Yes GW is such an evil company... incidently, how dare they not put out stuff you want to buy....
All corporations are evil by default, if you adscribe to them human values.
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Dudeface wrote: Of course they're going to make incorrect or mistaken claims, they're evidently trying to get better at this process and as long as a human is sat at the wheel there will be a mistake. All GW can do it mitigate the risk and impact of the mistake.
I think it's a matter of perspective. To you, they're making incorrect or mistaken claims. To me, they're trying to see just how far they can push.
Good, so you're saying you believe that GW is incapable of making a mistake or incorrectly understanding legal terms, boundaries and conditions. Therefore are 100% competent and capable as a legal team, as no action is being made without intent?
Because that's a lofty claim if so, I mean they really showed people who was boss making 1 guy get a 2 day late payment on 1 video.
Some people need to learn that correlation does not equal causation.
The MWM thing making waves over reddit may not have been the reason for GW backing down... Maybe GW reviewed the appeal and realised one person had been overzealous and decided to do the right thing. Mistakes happen, and I'm genuinely getting bored of continuing witch hunts on people who apologise and reverse their decisions, otherwise lock up and cancel everyone on the planet, not one of us is perfect.
GW DID THE RIGHT THING IN THE END, THIS IS PROGRESS, TAKE THE PROGRESS.
Alternatively, there are actual and severe issues within society globally that could use people such as yourselves that want to be angry and enforce change.... That will actually have a significant impact, and do some good.
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